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SEIZED al-QAEDA DOCUMENTS YEARS OLD -- sources say
The New York Times ^ | August 3rd, 2004 | DOUGLAS JEHL and DAVID JOHNSTON

Posted on 08/02/2004 10:24:04 PM PDT by soundandvision

August 3, 2004

THE OVERVIEW

Reports That Led to Terror Alert Were Years Old, Officials Say

By DOUGLAS JEHL and DAVID JOHNSTON

WASHINGTON, Aug. 2 -

Much of the information that led the authorities to raise the terror alert at several large financial institutions in the New York City and Washington areas was three or four years old, intelligence and law enforcement officials said on Monday. They reported that they had not yet found concrete evidence that a terrorist plot or preparatory surveillance operations were still under way.

But the officials continued to regard the information as significant and troubling because the reconnaissance already conducted has provided Al Qaeda with the knowledge necessary to carry out attacks against the sites in Manhattan, Washington and Newark. They said Al Qaeda had often struck years after its operatives began surveillance of an intended target.

Taken together with a separate, more general stream of intelligence, which indicates that Al Qaeda intends to strike in the United States this year, possibly in New York or Washington, the officials said even the dated but highly detailed evidence of surveillance was sufficient to prompt the authorities to undertake a global effort to track down the unidentified suspects involved in the surveillance operations.

"You could say that the bulk of this information is old, but we know that Al Qaeda collects, collects, collects until they're comfortable,'' said one senior government official. "Only then do they carry out an operation. And there are signs that some of this may have been updated or may be more recent.''

Frances Fragos Townsend, the White House homeland security adviser, said on Monday in an interview on PBS that surveillance reports, apparently collected by Qaeda operatives had been "gathered in 2000 and 2001.'' But she added that information may have been updated as recently as January.

The comments of government officials on Monday seemed softer in tone than the warning issued the day before. On Sunday, officials were circumspect in discussing when the surveillance of the financial institutions had occurred, and Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge cited the quantity of intelligence from "multiple reporting streams'' that he said was "alarming in both the amount and specificity of the information.''

The officials said on Monday that they were still analyzing computer records, photos, drawings and other documents, seized last month in Pakistan, which showed that Qaeda operatives had conducted extensive reconnaissance.

"What we've uncovered is a collection operation as opposed to the launching of an attack," a senior American official said.

Still, the official said the new trove of material, which was being sifted for fresh clues, combined with more recent flows of intelligence, had demonstrated that Al Qaeda remains active and intent on attacking the United States.

The concern about the possibility of an attack was apparent on Monday. Armed guards were positioned at the five targets listed by Mr. Ridge: the New York Stock Exchange and the Citigroup buildings in Manhattan, the headquarters of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund in Washington and Prudential Financial in Newark. The buildings were subjected to their highest level of security since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, with barricades, rapid-response teams and bomb-sniffing dogs providing rings of protection.

With intelligence reports specifying a possible truck bombing, police stopped and searched vehicles in the Wall Street area, while vans and trucks were banned from bridges and tunnels entering lower Manhattan.

In Washington, President Bush said the alert issued on Sunday reflected "a serious business.'' He said at a White House news conference, "We wouldn't be contacting authorities at the local level unless something was real.''

Despite the new terror warnings, the stock market gained ground, denting expectations that it would drop with the heightened security alert. The Dow Jones industrial average was up 39 points.

A sizable part of the information seized in Pakistan described reconnaissance carried out before the Sept. 11 attacks, officials said. The documents do not indicate who wrote the detailed descriptions of security arrangements at the financial buildings or whether the surveillance was conducted for a current operation or was part of preparations for a plan that was later set aside.

In a briefing on Sunday, a senior intelligence official said that the threat to the financial institutions "probably continues even today."

Federal authorities said on Monday that they had uncovered no evidence that any of the surveillance activities described in the documents was currently under way. They said officials in New Jersey had been mistaken in saying on Sunday that some suspects had been found with blueprints and may have recently practiced "test runs'' aimed at the Prudential building in Newark.

Joseph Billy Jr., the special agent in charge of the F.B.I.'s Newark office, said a diagram of the Prudential building had been found in Pakistan. "It appears to be from the period around 9/11,'' Mr. Billy said. "Now we're trying to see whether it goes forward from there.''

Another counterterrorism official in Washington said that it was not yet clear whether the information pointed to a current plot. "We know that Al Qaeda routinely cases targets and then puts the plans on a shelf without doing anything,'' the official said.

The documents were found after Pakistani authorities acting on information supplied by the Central Intelligence Agency arrested Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, an engineer who was found to have served as a middleman in facilitating Qaeda communications. His capture led the C.I.A. to laptop computers, CD-ROM's, and other storage devices that contained copies of communications describing the extensive surveillance.

Mr. Khan had been essentially unknown to the United States as recently as May, according to information provided by a Pakistani intelligence official, who said the C.I.A. had described him to Pakistani authorities that month only as a shadowy figure identified by his alias, Abu Talha.

The lack of knowledge about Mr. Khan reflected how hard it has been for American authorities to penetrate Al Qaeda. He operated successfully without the government learning of his existence even after three years of an intensive intelligence war against Qaeda that has emphasized efforts to intercept the terror network's communications traffic.

In pursuing the new leads, intelligence and law enforcement authorities were working at several different levels, American officials said, in trying to make sense of what some described as a "jigsaw puzzle" that included first names, aliases, and temporary email addresses but little hard identifying material that could lead to suspects in the United States or overseas.

The scope of the inquiry ranged from "individuals who were orchestrating it from far-off lands to individuals who were in charge of different cells, to the actual operating of cells," a senior intelligence official said. The priority effort to identify people connected to the surveillance of the financial institutions has been under way since counterterrorism officials received the new information from Pakistan beginning Thursday evening, counterterrorism officials said on Monday.

The information, which officials said was indicative of preparations for a possible truck- or car-bomb attack, left significant gaps. It did not clearly describe the suspected plot, indicate when an attack was to take place nor did it describe the identities of people involved.

As a result, federal and local authorities began an effort to locate possible suspects who might have carried out the surveillance. Intelligence officers began interviewing Qaeda detainees asking whether they knew Mr. Khan or anyone who might have been involved in monitoring the targeted buildings and allied foreign intelligence services were asked if they had any information about the suspected plot.

At the same time, federal agents and local police began canvassing the buildings regarded as likely targets seeking to determine whether anyone recalled seeing people who appeared to be conducting surveillance. They sought lists of employees to determine whether anyone suspicious might have worked at any of the buildings and names of vendors, searching for anyone who might have visited the buildings to study security arrangements.

Senior counterterrorism and intelligence officials based in Europe said the information targeting the five buildings was developed by Qaeda operatives before Sept. 11, 2001. But a senior European counterterrorism official cautioned that "some recent information'' indicated that the buildings might remain on a list of Qaeda targets.

"Al Qaeda routinely comes up with ways to hit targets for years at a time, so it may not mean much that these buildings were first targeted more than three years ago,'' the official said.

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Gee, I wonder how the libs will spin this.
1 posted on 08/02/2004 10:24:05 PM PDT by soundandvision
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2 posted on 08/02/2004 10:25:18 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: soundandvision; Admin Moderator

This exact article from the NY Times was already posted this evening.


3 posted on 08/02/2004 10:26:13 PM PDT by Patriot_from_CA (Suddenly the raven on Scalia's desk stirred and spoke. Quoth the raven..."NeverGore")
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To: soundandvision
They've already spun it.

I just hope the bush administration ins paying attention to leakers. There are a boatload of highly partisan Democrats among the ranks of the "career prosecutors" and "career State department" folks as well as at CIA and elsewhere. They will sharpens the knives and then stab this administration in the back down the homestretch. This smells of such.

And of course - if the cell structure and sleeper agent hypotheses about Al Qaeda is correct - 3-4 year old information could be particularly relevant.

4 posted on 08/02/2004 10:29:54 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Well said -- I suspect this is the way Limbaugh and Hannity will go after it today -- and they'll be (as usual) 100% correct.


5 posted on 08/02/2004 10:32:24 PM PDT by soundandvision
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

"I just hope the bush administration ins paying attention to leakers. There are a boatload of highly partisan Democrats among the ranks of the "career prosecutors" and "career State department" folks as well as at CIA and elsewhere."

It sounds like you've been keeping an eye on this. Are there any leakers you've been able to identify?


6 posted on 08/02/2004 10:34:40 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: soundandvision

And if Bush didn't make the announcement and a terror attack happened, the libs would say, "They've been planning this for years! Why didn't he warn us?" Whatever decision he makes, they label it as wrong.


7 posted on 08/02/2004 10:35:27 PM PDT by inkling
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To: Patriot_from_CA
And as a FReeper said earlier . . .

. . . some of this information may be a few years old but we only got ahold of it a few weeks ago!

8 posted on 08/02/2004 10:36:18 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("A republic, if we can revive it")
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
And of course - if the cell structure and sleeper agent hypotheses about Al Qaeda is correct - 3-4 year old information could be particularly relevant

Al Qaeda started planning 9-11 after the 1994 WTC attack failed. That was a lot longer than 3-4 years.

9 posted on 08/02/2004 10:37:57 PM PDT by inkling
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To: Patriot_from_CA

Maybe 4 years old...but on another thread it was reported that there was evidence of recent updating.


10 posted on 08/02/2004 10:38:24 PM PDT by spokeshave (strategery + schadenfreude = stratenschadenfreudery)
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To: soundandvision
The terrorists have been watching and monitoring us for several years .. so I would expect some of the information to be old

If I recall .. the 9/11 attacks took something like 5 years to plan

11 posted on 08/02/2004 10:43:45 PM PDT by Mo1 (Kerry & Edwards .... they will leave no Special Interest Group behind)
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To: spokeshave; Admin Moderator
This article was already posted right here.
12 posted on 08/02/2004 10:43:48 PM PDT by carl in alaska (I am not a digital brownshirt. I had a brown shirt once, but my dog chewed it up.)
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To: inkling

yep.. soon we will see the saturation. every action w takes, large or small, right or wrong will be cast as the biggest threat to our nation ever. each and every move will be so cast. every day. more than one a day. all repeated every day. the wildest claims and hate of ppl like moveon and moore will be totally mainstreamed. its getting freaking mind blowing.


13 posted on 08/02/2004 11:12:19 PM PDT by phxaz
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To: soundandvision

Knowing that Al Qaeda had cased specific buildings for attack, it would be insanely irresponsible to the occupants and users of those buildings not to warn of that and take ersious secuirty precautions no matter how old the plan was.


14 posted on 08/02/2004 11:20:29 PM PDT by Wayne07
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To: MrShoop
How long was the attack on Pearl Harbor being planned?

This sort of attack/event isn't planned overnight with breaks for coffee and breakfast.

15 posted on 08/02/2004 11:28:57 PM PDT by Adrastus (If you don't like my attitude, talk to someone else.)
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To: BenLurkin
. . . some of this information may be a few years old but we only got ahold of it a few weeks ago!

That is the important part, yet the latest stories are not highlighting that part. It has been said many times that this scum plans their activities in great detail, over a long time.

16 posted on 08/02/2004 11:33:52 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: soundandvision

Welcome to Free Republic. I hope you have tough skin and plenty of tinfoil hats posting articles from that fishrap NY Slimes. /sarcasm


17 posted on 08/02/2004 11:46:15 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: soundandvision
They either say Bush is under reacting or over reacting, but never commend him for actually acting.

Patriot Paradox

18 posted on 08/02/2004 11:46:17 PM PDT by sonsofliberty2000 ("If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: soundandvision

I am sooo tired of all the LYING crap that is going around these days...They are making stories up out of whole cloth...European sources? comeon what the hell does that mean? Here we get decent intel from recednt captures in Pakistan and down Texas way and the Sept 10th crowd can't see the forest for the trees....arrrrggrgh


19 posted on 08/02/2004 11:48:33 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: soundandvision

You don't have to wonder how the Libs will spin this - they just did.

The NYTimes is the Pravda propaganda office of the DNC.

Why anyone would quote, purchase, or speak of Satan's Vitriol is beyond me.

Yes, the research on the buildings has taken place for years, just like the 9/11 attacks.

Freepers, it is no exaggeration to say that the Liberals are conspiring to disarm and demoralize America in wartime.

And this is not only an act of treason, it is a direct threat to your life, your loved one's lives, your financial security, and your country's survival.

What are YOU willing to do to the Liberals in return?


20 posted on 08/02/2004 11:56:30 PM PDT by Stallone (Warrior Freepers Rule The Earth)
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