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To: Brad Cloven

"When we think of Bush's character, we're likely to focus on the administration's proposed budget cuts for veterans"

Overall vet spending is up faster under Bush in ~3 years than Clinton in 8. If that is a "cut," I'm Bill Gates.

---See this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A4064-2003Jan16

VA Cuts Some Veterans' Access to Health Care
Huge Backlog, Long Waits Prompt Decision

By Edward Walsh
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, January 17, 2003; Page A21


The Department of Veterans Affairs announced yesterday that it is immediately cutting off access to its health care system to some higher-income veterans, a move the agency estimated will affect about 164,000 veterans who were expected to enroll in the system during the current fiscal year.


Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony J. Principi said he decided to restrict access to the VA health care system because of a growing backlog of about 200,000 veterans who have to wait an average of six months before receiving their first treatment at a VA health care facility.

The growth in the number of veterans enrolling in the VA system "is eating up all of our marginal capacity," Principi said in an interview. "Our clinics, our medical facilities are full."

The restrictions, which take effect today, apply to what the agency calls Category 8 veterans, the lowest priority in health care. These are veterans with relatively high incomes who do not suffer from military service-related disabilities or health problems. Category 8 income levels vary depending on geographic location, but Principi said generally the restrictions will apply to veterans with annual incomes of $30,000 to $35,000 or higher.

The restrictions will apply only to new enrollees and will not affect the 1.4 million Category 8 veterans who currently receive health care from the VA, he said.

Principi is required by law to set eligibility rules for the VA health care system every year, and the restrictions apply only to this fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30. But in the interview, he indicated that unless there is a reduction in the patient backlog, the restrictions will remain in place longer. "I would like to reopen enrollment if I can, but not at the expense of meeting our obligations to the highest-priority veterans," he said.

Principi informed leaders of veterans groups of his decision yesterday morning. Spokesmen for the groups said they understood why the restrictions were being imposed, but they lashed out at Congress for what they called inadequate funding of VA health care. "Without proper funding, the secretary is never going to get [the backlog] down, so what he has done is to make the tough business decision," said Bob Wallace, executive director of the Veterans of Foreign Wars. "If they can't take care of them, it's unconscionable to let them continue to enroll. The real bad guys in this is the Congress because they haven't fully funded the VA. I don't want to see anybody excluded from care, but we can't allow these false expectations and these lines to get longer and longer."

Historically, the VA's health care mission has been to treat veterans with service-related health problems and low incomes, and those needing special services. But that changed when Congress enacted legislation in 1996 opening the system to all veterans. That year, the VA health care system treated 2.9 million veterans. Last year, the number of patients had swelled to 4.2 million.

The largest segment of those entering the system are relatively high-income veterans who fall into Category 8. Principi said more than half of the 830,000 veterans who enrolled last year were classified as Category 8.

In an attempt to soften the effects of the restrictions, Principi also announced that under an agreement with the Health and Human Services Department, veterans who are eligible for Medicare and have been denied access to the VA health care system can still be treated at VA facilities, with Medicare reimbursing the department. He said he expects the program to begin operating later this year.


58 posted on 08/03/2004 12:28:51 PM PDT by Perlstein
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To: Perlstein
I repeat, this time directly to you.

How sad that a Jew would side with the anti-Israel, anti-semitic left, and brag about it.

A self-hater.

66 posted on 08/03/2004 12:30:18 PM PDT by veronica (Hate-triotism, the religion of leftists, liberals, anti-semites, and other cranks...)
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To: Perlstein
I think it would be more helpful if you actually engaged in conversation rather than just answering by news article. There are enough articles to support either side...

You have an aknowledgeable audience... please respond directly to the questions.

Thank you.

76 posted on 08/03/2004 12:32:08 PM PDT by carton253 (All I am and all I have is at the service of my country. General Jackson)
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To: Perlstein

Should SS be means tested ?


83 posted on 08/03/2004 12:33:52 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Perlstein
Dear Mr. Perlstein,

The article is very interesting, but does not really answer the question on how the Bush administration is cutting the budget. What this looks like to me is the Bush administration and congress failing to adequately fund the VA to perform services that they are tasked to perform. Perhaps we could chide the President and Congress to enhance VA funding, rather than attempt to call this a cut in funding.

I am a veteran and would probably be considered an upper income veteran. I would gladly give my spot up in a VA hospital for a fellow veteran who can not afford other care. I do not see this as a problem.

What do you think?

Sincerely
Hal
108 posted on 08/03/2004 12:40:06 PM PDT by Francis McClobber
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To: Perlstein
VA Cuts Some Veterans' Access to Health Care
Huge Backlog, Long Waits Prompt Decision

Mr. Perlstein, the article you posted does not contain a single budetary number. Are these cuts actual cuts, or just reductions in the proposed increase?

110 posted on 08/03/2004 12:41:01 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Perlstein

So when is Kerry going to apologize for calling veterans baby killers?


120 posted on 08/03/2004 12:42:47 PM PDT by eleni121 (Thank God fo John Ashcroft: Four more years!)
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To: Perlstein
From the information posted so far on the VA question (yours and your opponents), it looks like the Bush administration returned the VA entry portal to a pre-1996 status,and has increased funding the for the rest faster than Clinton did.

So, they blocked the higher income veterans and gave more money to the poor veterans (cruel Republicans?).

Is it intellectually honest to call this a "cut"?

125 posted on 08/03/2004 12:43:43 PM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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To: Perlstein

So your argument is that in a climate of massively rising health care costs, quality and capabilities, merely huge total increases in Vet spending that involve means testing (of which liberals approve) amounts to a cut.

Nice logic. You are welcome to give me a 10% "cut" in salary, if you first give me a pay raise of 80%, you cold hearted conservative.


142 posted on 08/03/2004 12:49:27 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mullahs swinging from lamp posts.....)
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To: Perlstein

You claim Bush is responsible for budget cuts to vets, the right proves that Bush increased funding exponentially for vets.... and your rebuttal is to use an article that states there is a backlog of the wealthiest veterans with no disabilities or health problems being delayed access to VA clinics?

That's not just a strawman, it also flies in the face of the liberal "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"...




146 posted on 08/03/2004 12:50:31 PM PDT by Tamzee (Tell me honestly, Honey... do these classified documents make me look fat?)
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To: Perlstein
How is congressional inability to pass adequate funding for the VA the president's fault?
147 posted on 08/03/2004 12:51:09 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Perlstein
The largest segment of those entering the system are relatively high-income veterans who fall into Category 8. Principi said more than half of the 830,000 veterans who enrolled last year were classified as Category 8.

I'm confused. The VA is trying to cope with a mess created by congress by cutting back on the HIGH-INCOME vets looking for a freebie. Isn't the viceral hatred of the successful part of your creedo?

153 posted on 08/03/2004 12:52:23 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: Perlstein

Your answer in #58 was a non-answer.

Total spending for veterans' health benefits have been increasing more under Bush than any other president, and the total number of veterans has been decreasing at a faster rate than under any other president.

We are losing WWII veterans at a rate of 1500 to 2000 per day. My fellow Korean veterans are in their 70's and leaving this vale of tears at higher and higher rates.

Bottom line: There are many more dollars available per veteran.

The letter you posted talked about "cutting access" to Category 8 veterans (which would include me if I applied). I know a lot of my former colleagues (retired engineers and managers) who did apply and are getting low cost drugs. Their average total assets is probably a bit north of $1 million. Most of us took lump sum pensions and had very generous 401-k's.

The biggest problem that most of these guys have is to make sure they have an adequate supply of drugs before they take off on their trip to Russia, China, or a safari in Africa - or when they travel to their winter homes in Florida.

The VA "spending cut" crap is a big DNC lie.


159 posted on 08/03/2004 12:54:23 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: Perlstein

http://www.house.gov/budget/fy05fd032504chart32.pdf


214 posted on 08/03/2004 1:05:45 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Perlstein

Instead of cutting and pasting previous works, why not debate with your original thoughts?


280 posted on 08/03/2004 1:22:45 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Perlstein
Hi, interesting, wish I hadn't been at work all day, this could have been fun. Can I still get in the game?

  1. Fewer than 1000 dead, before this election campaign, would have been a successful single battle. To lose so few soldiers in an entire major war that freed millions, wouldn't you agree that this war has been well prosecuted?

  2. With the effects of "liberating millions" and "attempting to establish a military ally in a troubled region", wouldn't you agree that the war was a just war?

  3. I can imagine a better president than Bush. But is Kerry that man? Kerry won't reform education, because of his ties to the NEA and Teachers unions. He won't reform the legal system, because of his ties to the Trial lawyers and his running mate. He won't reform Govt, cuz he's been a part of the problem (as a sitting senator) for years. He'll run a 'pacifist' foreign policy, which history clearly shows is not a successful strategy.

I'm afraid it's back to work, now, but I'll check in later for your responses.

Wish we could sit over a beer and yak it up, some time.

503 posted on 08/03/2004 2:43:46 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: Perlstein
[Overall vet spending is up faster under Bush in ~3 years than Clinton in 8. If that is a "cut," I'm Bill Gates.]

---See this

Your article fails to support your assertion. Did you not understand it, or are you being disingenuous? Neither option inspires confidence.

In any case, in my experience that sort of behavior is typical for liberals. And I say that as someone who voted for Carter, Dukakis, Mondale, and Clinton (in 1992 -- by 1996 I had realized that the Democratic party was rapidly going insane). I proudly voted for Bush in 2000, and will proudly do so again this November.

712 posted on 08/03/2004 4:19:11 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: Perlstein

Your own article admits there are no "cuts" in the VA budget. The only change is the imposition of an income ceiling for new veterans seeking treatment of non-service related medical problems. That's not a "cut", no matter how the left tries to distort the truth.


1,027 posted on 08/04/2004 1:53:49 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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