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John Kerry Sidesteps Abortion Comment, Says Unborn a "Form of Life"
LifeNews ^ | Newburgh, NY August 2, 2004 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 08/03/2004 7:11:04 PM PDT by miltonim

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry is further distancing himself from comments he made last month that human life begins at conception.

In an interview with the Associated Press on Friday, Kerry reiterated his support for the so-called right to abortion, but seemingly changed his position on the beginning of life.

Asked whether he thought abortion constituted the taking of human life, Kerry said that an unborn child is a "form of life.''

"The Bible itself - I mean, everything talks about different layers of development," Kerry said. "That's what Roe v Wade does. It talks about viability. It's the law of the land.''

Kerry's comments drew guffaws from pro-life advocates.

"John Kerry's statement that a fetus is potential life is scientific nonsense," Nikolas Nikas, an attorney with Americans United for Life, told LifeNews.com. "A fetus is a human being at the fetal stage of life. It is not potential life, but human life with potential. Check any medical textbook."

Nikas also took issue with Kerry's view of the Supreme Court's decision legalizing abortion.

"[H]is view that, since abortion on demand is mandated by the Supreme Court, it cannot be challenged flies in the face of American history," Nikas explained. "The Supreme Court once held that slaves were property. Should we accept that African Americans are property because the Court once held that?"

In his Friday interview, Kerry, once again, said he could not put his Catholic views on abortion into policy.

"I don't believe personally that it's the government's job to step in and take my article of faith and transfer it to somebody who doesn't share that article of faith,'' said Kerry.

While campaigning in a heavily Catholic part of Iowa in early July, Kerry told the Dubuque Telegraph Herald, "I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception."

Kerry also backed away from those comments in an interview with ABC news anchor Peter Jennings late last month.

Kerry said he thought the "fertilization process" is when a human being "is first formed and created." However, Kerry added, "[w]ithin weeks, you look and see the development of it, but that's not a person yet, and it's certainly not what somebody, in my judgment, ought to have the government of the United States intervening in."

The contradictory statements, designed to keep his pro-abortion supporters and mollify voters who back him on other issues but have qualms with his abortion position, reveal Kerry's nature as a flip-flopper, pro-life advocates say.

"Senator Kerry now claims that he believes that 'a human being is first formed and created' at fertilization, but for 20 years he has consistently voted against any legal protection for those human beings," says Douglas Johnson, legislative director for the National Right to Life Committee.

"When it comes to abortion, John Kerry's views are on the wrong side of science, the wrong side of history, and the wrong side of morality," Nikas concluded.


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KEYWORDS: abortion; kerry; kerryabortion; prolife
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Five months since conception
1 posted on 08/03/2004 7:11:04 PM PDT by miltonim
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To: miltonim
Kerry says he believes that life starts at conception
2 posted on 08/03/2004 7:12:48 PM PDT by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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To: miltonim

He flopped again. John F*ckin' stretched like a trampoline trying to appease both the pro-life and pro-abort sides at the same time. Soon he'll end up looking like a human pretzel.


3 posted on 08/03/2004 7:13:36 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

A slightly different image comes to mind - the Democratic Gumby.


4 posted on 08/03/2004 7:14:46 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: miltonim

Form of life? Lurch not only thinks that the United Nations is like the United Federation of Planets on Star Trek...he is comparing human life to TRIBBELS ! What a dope.

LOCK PHASERS MR. CHEKOV.


5 posted on 08/03/2004 7:19:52 PM PDT by JediForce (Never underestimate the power of the Dark side of the Force....keep the blasters' fully charged.)
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To: miltonim
Today my position shall be ...


6 posted on 08/03/2004 7:20:01 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: miltonim

A 'form' of life? Tell me, Senator, is that 'form' of life yet worthy of life?


7 posted on 08/03/2004 7:21:13 PM PDT by Petronski (It's a man's life in the Cardiff Rooms, Libya)
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To: miltonim

This guy is so nuanced his views seem to change by the hour.


8 posted on 08/03/2004 7:21:55 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: miltonim
It's the law of the land.

So was political sterilization in Nazi Germany or human slavery in 19th century America.

9 posted on 08/03/2004 7:22:48 PM PDT by Petronski (It's a man's life in the Cardiff Rooms, Libya)
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To: miltonim

Asked whether he thought abortion constituted the taking of human life, Kerry said that an unborn child is a "form of life.''

"The Bible itself - I mean, everything talks about different layers of development," Kerry said. "That's what Roe v Wade does. It talks about viability. It's the law of the land.''



This creep is almost as pathetic as those who want him in the White House.


10 posted on 08/03/2004 7:30:14 PM PDT by Just Lori (It's time for a national Liberalectomy!)
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To: miltonim
Kerry said that an unborn child is a "form of life.'

Maybe he thinks the best way to over turn RvW is to convince the Dim's that unborn babies are really dolphins.

11 posted on 08/03/2004 7:31:05 PM PDT by whatexit
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To: miltonim

"The Bible itself - I mean, everything talks about different layers of development,"


?????????????????????????


12 posted on 08/03/2004 7:31:31 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("A republic, if we can revive it")
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To: JediForce

"It's life Jim, but not as we know it."


13 posted on 08/03/2004 7:32:07 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: PLMerite
THIS IS WHAT JOHN F'N KERRY SUPPORTS:


14 posted on 08/03/2004 7:33:34 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (KERRY LIED)
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To: miltonim

Kerry is a form of life but I wouldn't consider him viable.


15 posted on 08/03/2004 7:34:57 PM PDT by anonsquared (JUST SAY NO TO SOCIALISM - ABORT THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: miltonim
Thank God the lamestream press doesn't go after J F-in Kerry's many contradictions and outright fabrications, or he would be in REAL trouble.

If Kerry were a Republican, he would be instant toast over remarks like these. Must be nice to be the democrat, huh Mr. Kerry?
16 posted on 08/03/2004 7:37:08 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (No animals have been hurt in the making of this tag line)
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To: miltonim

""That's what Roe v Wade does... It's the law of the land.'' "

The guy in the article effectively shoots down this garbage reasoning, but this will be a common refrain from the left once again in the near future on another hot-button, contentious social issue.

That issue is of course gay marriage. The similarities are striking. First -- as with abortion -- Kerry claims to be personally against gay marriage (but for civil unions), but that he can't let his personal views influence policy; which translates into the belief being meaningless. Though to be fair, on gay marriages he claims to be in favor of leaving it to the states.

But of course that's a farce, a deception, because he knows full well that it is just a matter of time before the Supreme Court imposes gay marriage on the entire country. The current court would probably do it, but certainly one with a couple of Kerry nominees would.

Then, as with abortion, Kerry would view the dictates of the Sup Court as the word of God. He (and the left in general) would say 'the courts have spoken, its now the law of the land, time to move on.' Suddenly his alleged federalist respect for states rights would disappear. And this is of course the plan. Does anyone seriously doubt that Kerry/Edwards don't know that the type of judges they would appoint would most certainly impose gay marriage?

You know, if one of the debate questions addressed this, and went something like; "Sen Kerry, you say that you believe that the issue of marriage should be left to the states, so does that mean that you would make sure that your judicial nominees share that opinion just as you have pledged to make sure they share your support of abortion rights, and does that mean that if the federal courts do strike down marriage laws across the nation that you would then support some sort of Amendment to at least overturn the courts and return the power on this specific issue to the states?"

I think I'd die of shock if that question were asked.

But anyway, its always the same with the left. They know they can't win a fair, legislative or democratic fight to implement their far-left social values so they turn to the courts to do their dirty work for them.

If Bush does win reelection, then he could go a long ways in redeeming himself for failures with regards to spending and immigration if he makes good Sup Court nominations and then sticks with them and demands they get an up or down vote from the full Senate, and if it fails to turn around and nominate another judges just as conservative until he gets the full vote any President deserves for his nominees. Hopefully he and his people won't make the same monumental, legacy-tainting mistake that his father did with David Souter. I'm still wondering how that happened. Did they just F*** up or did that guy do a 180 once on the court?


17 posted on 08/03/2004 7:38:36 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: miltonim
"I don't believe personally that it's the government's job to step in and take my article of faith and transfer it to somebody who doesn't share that article of faith,'' said Kerry.

Then why does he think it's okay for the government to step in and make it illegal for someone to commit ____ (insert illegal act here)? If commiting ____ (insert illegal act here) is not against my "articles of faith", who is he to transfer his articles upon me?

This guy is supposed to be an intellectual?

18 posted on 08/03/2004 7:39:26 PM PDT by handy (Leahy you, you Clymer!)
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To: miltonim

" Kerry's comments drew guffaws from pro-life advocates."

Kerry's comments should draw guffaws from everyone.

"One on One " with Peter Jennings, July 22, 2004

Jennings asked, "If you believe that life begins at conception, is even a first-trimester abortion not murder?"

Kerry replied, "No, because it's not the form of life that takes personhood
in the terms that we have judged it to be in the past.
It's the beginning of life."

Anyone speak Kerryese ?
Anyone have the faintest idea of what this moron is saying ?
What is a personhood ???
Why isn't the media asking these same questions ?


19 posted on 08/03/2004 7:40:33 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: miltonim; NYer; Coleus; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; eastsider; Aquinasfan; Former Fetus; ...
"form of life"

It wll be interesting to see how Kerry's jargon evolves.

The ethical twister games of Kerryosophy should prove quite... revealing.

20 posted on 08/03/2004 7:44:28 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: miltonim

"The Bible itself - I mean, everything talks about different layers of development," Kerry said.

I wonder if he also says the Bible speaks of different layers of death.


21 posted on 08/03/2004 7:46:31 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: miltonim

**Kerry said he thought the "fertilization process" is when a human being "is first formed and created." However, Kerry added, "[w]ithin weeks, you look and see the development of it, but that's not a person yet, and it's certainly not what somebody, in my judgment, ought to have the government of the United States intervening in."**

He speaketh out of both sides of his mouth, doesn't he?


22 posted on 08/03/2004 7:47:38 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: miltonim

Apostate Catholic warning.


23 posted on 08/03/2004 7:49:53 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: taxesareforever

John Kerry is a life form. As are pond scum, lice, maggots, viruses...


24 posted on 08/03/2004 7:50:59 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Democrats are Communists in Americans' clothing.)
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To: miltonim

"It's certainly not what somebody, in my judgment, ought to have the government of the United States intervening in."
The intellectual and erudite Mr. Kerry doesn't sound quite so bright. Everyone knows that: "A sentence is something you shouldn't end a preposition with."


25 posted on 08/03/2004 7:54:57 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

i think this difference life vs. personhood is about the most honest "pro-choice" point of view, Kerry is correct to some extent - there was/is ?? a Christian Doctine of "Ensoulment" see http://www.sspx.org/against_the_sound_bites/life_ensoulment_of_matter.htm and Islamic law says "The Oxford Dictionary of Islam ... Ensoulment of the fetus is understood to occur 120 days after conception; after ensoulment, abortion constitutes homicide and...". So Kerry does have some philosophical grounds to stand on in being "pro-choice". None in relation to partial birth abortion though or is absolutist pro-abortion voting record


26 posted on 08/03/2004 8:00:29 PM PDT by Murtyo
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To: goldstategop
"The Bible itself - I mean, everything talks about different layers of development," Kerry said. "That's what Roe v Wade does. It talks about viability. It's the law of the land.''

Translated meaning????????????

This is the craziest , most confused man on the political scene right now!!This doesn't even make a lick of sense.!!!!!!!

27 posted on 08/03/2004 8:04:10 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: PLMerite

....and Kerry, Bones...his political future ?

" HE'S DEAD JIM "


28 posted on 08/03/2004 8:07:26 PM PDT by JediForce (Never underestimate the power of the Dark side of the Force....keep the blasters' fully charged.)
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

wow that is a awesome video. Is there any way I could copy that off and use it??


29 posted on 08/03/2004 8:08:21 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: miltonim
"The Bible itself - I mean, everything talks about different layers of development"

Selections from the King John Kerry Bible:

GENESIS 2:42a: P3 revC "And then the Lord consulted the Garden of Eden branch of the ACLU, and upon their approval, declared Adam to be viable."

GENESIS 4:62 subsection 3, revB: "And Cain said to God: 'You can't lay this mark upon me, for I shall be discriminated against. After all, I only performed a very late term abortion on my brother Abel which my Mother intended to do while he was in-utero but there were no Heaven-financed abortion clinics available in the Garden"

30 posted on 08/03/2004 8:12:12 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: miltonim
This article has been posted to DoctorZin’s New News Blog!


31 posted on 08/03/2004 8:14:16 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

Chill.

I should have put a /humor or /sarcasm switch on the end.


32 posted on 08/03/2004 8:35:24 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: miltonim
In his Friday interview, Kerry, once again, said he could not put his Catholic views on abortion into policy.

"I don't believe personally that it's the government's job to step in and take my article of faith and transfer it to somebody who doesn't share that article of faith,'' said Kerry.

Note to Frenchy: 1. You can't serve two masters. 2. Some people find it morally okay to murder people(people by a legal definition), so based on your logic should we empty out all of the prisons because to do otherwise would be forcing our Catholic views on society?

Grrrr.

33 posted on 08/03/2004 8:39:57 PM PDT by Jaded ((Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain))
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To: All

Save the hamster! Kill the baby?? My hero???


34 posted on 08/03/2004 8:48:13 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: pollywog; ahadams2; redgolum
This is the craziest , most confused man on the political scene right now!!This doesn't even make a lick of sense.!!!!!!! 27 posted on 08/03/2004 8:04:10 PM PDT by pollywog

You got that one right. I just heard that liberal has-been Bill Maher say (on Hardball with Chris Matthews) that he "loves" Mrs. Heinz Kerry because...(get this...) she's so "politically incorrect." ???!!! What planet are these people from?

Mrs. Heinz's speech at the Dems' Convention was so packed with hald-baked 1960s liberal pieties it was hard not to burst out laughing at how silly she sounded. I think one liberal commentator even said he wondered if she would start calling for bra burning protests.

35 posted on 08/03/2004 9:05:43 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: jwalsh07
I'm a bit more clear than Kerry where I stand, and why, aren't I? :) Poor Kerry. It must be awful trimming here there and everywhere. The lush for power can be a debilitating experience for the "un-centered."
36 posted on 08/03/2004 9:06:58 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Spanaway Lori

Kerry is an idiot. If a Republican spouted such drivel, rest assured we'd never hear the end of it from the presstitutes......


37 posted on 08/03/2004 9:14:22 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: miltonim

38 posted on 08/03/2004 11:38:44 PM PDT by Gorons
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To: John Jorsett
Today my position shall be ...

Upon closer inspection...


39 posted on 08/04/2004 1:58:46 AM PDT by pookie18
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To: miltonim
"The Bible itself - I mean, everything talks about different layers of development," Kerry said.

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." -God

Kerry said he thought the "fertilization process" is when a human being "is first formed and created." However, Kerry added, "[w]ithin weeks, you look and see the development of it, but that's not a person yet,

Sounds like the old concept of "quickening." Is Kerry's scientific understanding really this far behind the times? If he really doesn't know what fetus' are, why is he so anxious to kill them?

40 posted on 08/04/2004 4:26:28 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: norwaypinesavage
"A sentence is something you shouldn't end a preposition with."

That is something up with which we should not put.

I looked this up a few months ago and found out that it's not true. It's a holdover from Latin grammar.

41 posted on 08/04/2004 4:31:05 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Torie
I'm a bit more clear than Kerry where I stand, and why, aren't I?

Certainly, but even when you're wrong you have clear positions that you hold true. :-}

Kerry is an empty shell, in many regards the same as Bill Clinton and in some regards worse.

42 posted on 08/04/2004 4:36:39 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: miltonim
John Kerry Sidesteps Abortion Comment, Says Unborn a "Form of Life"

"It's life, Jim, but not as we know it..."


43 posted on 08/04/2004 4:37:05 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: miltonim
Asked whether he thought abortion constituted the taking of human life, Kerry said that an unborn child is a "form of life.''

"It's life, Jim, but not as we know it. It's life, Jim, but not as we know it."

44 posted on 08/04/2004 4:39:28 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: miltonim
  "Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born."

Ronald Reagan
45 posted on 08/04/2004 4:40:51 AM PDT by grumple (I'm too old to worry about whether or not I'm a pain in your ass...)
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To: miltonim

I'm surprised that I have seen no Bush ads yet on Spanish language TV emphazing Kerry's bizarre abortion stance. My girlfried is from Venezuela and not really into politics. However, one day she said that she thinks she would support Kerry if she could vote. I merely pointed out that Kerry SUPPORTS abortion. She immediately changed her mind about Kerry. This info about Kerry needs to placed on Spanish language TV. Latins are stongly anti-abortion.


46 posted on 08/04/2004 4:43:25 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Poohbah

YOWZA! I swear I didn't see your post when I posted EXACTLY the same thing. One correction. I think it was Bones, not Spock, who said, "It's life, Jim, but not as we know it."


47 posted on 08/04/2004 4:45:15 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Poohbah

Oops! Maybe it was Spock who said that.


48 posted on 08/04/2004 4:45:58 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix

Star Trekkin' across the universe
On the Starship Enterprise under Captain Kirk
Star Trekkin' across the universe
Boldly going forward 'cuz we can't find "reverse."


49 posted on 08/04/2004 4:54:44 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Both Bush and Kerry are in my area today. I had hoped to be able to go to one, but alas I have to work.

It is about evenly split here. Half for Bush half for Kerry. The thing is no one I have talked to has a reason for voting for Kerry other than they hate Bush.

John and Teressa would both benefit from some sort of medication or an exorcism.
50 posted on 08/04/2004 5:12:09 AM PDT by redgolum
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