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Drop Dead Fred - a movie recommendation, and a strong proponent of family values. (vanity)
August 4, 2004 | me

Posted on 08/04/2004 11:39:44 AM PDT by grundle

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To: barryallen
Rik Mayall was funny in that BBC sitcom young ones, now thats good television!

Great television. And he was brilliant as the voice of Mr. Toad in the animated film The Wind in the Willows.

21 posted on 08/04/2004 12:26:34 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: grundle
Drop Dead Fred - a movie recommendation, and a strong proponent of family values. (vanity)

Man, I thought this was one depressing, stinker of a movie.
22 posted on 08/04/2004 12:29:02 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: PeterFinn
I really miss Phoebe Cates. Geez, I wish the clods in Hollyweird would put her in something.

Kevin Kline, her husband, keeps her barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen. </sarcasm>

23 posted on 08/04/2004 12:29:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: pro libertate

Yes, Dave had a big crush on her, she is a very pretty girl


24 posted on 08/04/2004 12:44:33 PM PDT by apackof2 (Kind words are like honey-sweet to the soul and healthy for the body Pro.16:24)
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To: johnfrink

Fast Times was one of the most immoral movies of all time---I once had a friend in high school tell me that it had some influence on her decision to have an abortion. The lead character gets an abortion and is "sad" for a day as if her pet dog was missing, and then was back to her usual self throughout the rest of the movie. As my friend learned, abortion isn't anything like a missing pet and is a decision to be regretted for a lifetime. I had forgotten about that until I watched it the other night and was appalled. Even the trash produced for the teen sect today doesn't treat the subject in such a cavalier way.

Sorry, had to say it


25 posted on 08/04/2004 1:25:28 PM PDT by metalcor
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To: metalcor
I too noticed the pro abortion slant.

Their idea of a good guy is one who pays for his girl friend's abortion.

26 posted on 08/04/2004 1:33:25 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: grundle
I love this movie......You. Can. Not. Be. Serious. This movie stank on the Richter scale.
27 posted on 08/04/2004 1:40:34 PM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: metalcor
(Keep in mind that I am a recent convert to the "abortion is always unacceptable" position. Look me up in the forums if you don't believe me.)

...Even the trash produced for the teen sect today doesn't treat the subject in such a cavalier way...

I have loved "Fast Times" since I was a teenager, and it didn't occur to me until your post that you're so right. Stacy's abortion is both the central theme of the movie, and a completely "throwaway" subject. It's the most important plotline, but it's just another plotline. If that makes any sense at all.

Being the eternal optimist, I will say that it's probably a good sign as far as the pro-life movement is concerned. "Fast Times" isn't all that long ago - and now the entire subject is treated in a totally different way. I don't think that a mainstream movie today would even consider treating abortion in this manner. Even movies that are entirely about an abortion (or abortions in general) always, always treat it as a very difficult, very serious decision for a woman.

I know it might not seem like it, but that really is progress.
28 posted on 08/04/2004 1:46:27 PM PDT by small_l_libertarian
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To: small_l_libertarian

gremlins was a pro family movie, gizmo was like thier child and see what happens when you dont take care of your kid! it lays eggs and turns into a monster.


29 posted on 08/04/2004 1:49:22 PM PDT by barryallen
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To: grundle

A good movie? You must be joking. I couldn't watch more than 20 minutes of that childish tripe.


30 posted on 08/04/2004 1:55:34 PM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: yarddog

Exactly. The only moral question asked was "did he pay his half of the abortion?".


31 posted on 08/04/2004 2:13:51 PM PDT by metalcor
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To: metalcor
Fast Times was one of the most immoral movies of all time---I once had a friend in high school tell me that it had some influence on her decision to have an abortion.

With all due respect, I think that says more about your friend than it does about the movie.

32 posted on 08/04/2004 2:15:38 PM PDT by johnfrink
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But my friend was not the subject at hand. She was influenced by the way the subject was approached by the entire culture at the time this movie was produced. She was far from alone. Only after tens of thousands of women learned in a personal way that abortion was emotionally scarring was hollywood forced to avoid the subject almost completely. They certainly are not interested in telling the truth, so the truth is avoided.


33 posted on 08/04/2004 2:19:52 PM PDT by metalcor
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To: PeterFinn
I really miss Phoebe Cates. Geez, I wish the clods in Hollyweird would put her in something. She's probably not perverted enough to compete in Hollywood anymore.

She was great. She's busy raising her children which is normal and wholesome. While other Hollyweird actresses are acting out their "issues" on stage. She married Kevin Klein whose acting I've never much regard for. Her "exotic" looks come from being one quarter Chinese with some Jewish.

From internet:
Her father was of Russian Jewish descent, her mother is a Filipina of Spanish-Chinese ancestry

34 posted on 08/04/2004 2:23:30 PM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: yarddog

yarddog, you obviously did not see 'Fast times at Ridgemont High'

Pheobe has a role in that film that stayed in my mind since the film came out.


35 posted on 08/04/2004 2:24:03 PM PDT by Outlaw76 (Citizens on the Bounce!)
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To: Outlaw76
After I saw her in "Paradise", nothing in Ridgemont was worth remembering.

I saw it with my Wife and had to pretend I was bored. Well I actually was bored except for the parts with Phoebe sans clothes, and there was a lot of them.

36 posted on 08/04/2004 2:37:54 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: metalcor
"The lead character gets an abortion and is "sad" for a day as if her pet dog was missing, and then was back to her usual self throughout the rest of the movie"

meta, I didn't get the same view from the movie as that. I watched part of the movie again a couple of weeks ago and I mentioned to my wife that the character who had the abortion looked sickly and sallow for the rest of the film, insecure and troubled. Though I don't think that covers for the casual almost cavalier attitude they give the abortion, nor the irresponsibility of the idiot that got her pregnant, it is an almost subliminal warning. Attitudes are changing about abortion and have already made a huge turn since the early-mid 80's. With work, they will continue to change.

37 posted on 08/04/2004 2:41:24 PM PDT by Outlaw76 (Citizens on the Bounce!)
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To: Outlaw76

I have to disagree, but I did get the feeling that the original intent may have been to show the ramifications of free sex and abortion, but someone rejected that theme and kind of just ignored it and went for the "stoners are funny" angle. The consequences angle was so "almost subliminal" as to have been nonexistent in my opinion. It would have been better to just have avoided the unwanted pregnancy completely as it came off as cavalier. The character seemed more upset that the guy did her and forgot her than she was about killing a child which was never even considered.


38 posted on 08/04/2004 3:05:50 PM PDT by metalcor
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To: metalcor; Outlaw76

I probably have a unique angle on FTARH. I actually bought the DVD because I teach college and I wanted to study Mr. Hand's classroom style.


39 posted on 08/05/2004 6:21:48 AM PDT by murdoog (taglines are far out man)
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To: murdoog
I taught in college after retirement. It was fun.

I retired again and a friend asked me to substitute teach at the local high school. This was in a conservative area but I was shocked at how badly the high school students behaved. I wouldn't put up with it and did the only thing a substitute could do and sent a bunch to the principal's office.

I got them under control but it was just more trouble than it was worth and since I didn't need the money I just decided not to do it anymore.

The college students were absolutely no problem at all.

40 posted on 08/06/2004 12:12:59 PM PDT by yarddog
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