Homosexuals Debate What to Do About Transsexuals

CNS News ^ | August 04, 2004 | Susan Jones

[EdReform]

Defeating Gay Arguments

Changing Minds

Here's another:

Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

[ItsOurTimeNow]

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Well, I can't add much more to the commentary than what's already been said.

I just find it hysterical that a fringe group has a small fringe group protesting it for not being more inclusive. Something about the visualization of their "protest" just makes me chuckle.

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[IamConservative]

"Aw screw em............"

Exactly what I thought in - shall we say - less public terms.

[I_Love_My_Husband]

While the homosexual community wrestles with transsexual inclusion, many conservatives reject the entire GLBT agenda to redefine cultural norms.

The re-definition of marriage is unacceptable to many conservative groups, and so it the notion that one's gender may also be subject to re-definition -- that gender is psychological, not biological.

The advent of transgender protection also gives rise to new dilemmas and lawsuits, a particular concern to the business community.

Thank goodness the Republicans are standing up to THIS mess, they're not really holding the fort with illegals.

[EdReform]

An excerpt from "A.P.A.'s Society for the Study of Gay Issues Urges Psychologists To Become Political Activists"

( Warning -- Barf Alert! )

Transsexual Psychologist Urges Change In DSM

In a separate article in the Division 44 Newsletter, a male-to-female transsexual doctor, writing under a pen name, expressed his hope that someday the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual would be changed to normalize transsexualism.

Madeline H. Wyndzen states: "As a psychologist and transsexual, I find that the mental illness label imposed on transsexuality is just as disquieting as the label that used to be imposed upon homosexuality." He said he looked forward to the day when his children will think that it was "unfathomable that I was once diagnosed and treated for 'Gender Identity Disorder.'"

Heterosexuality "No Longer Normative"

Division 44 head Dr. Glassgold wrote a second essay in the newsletter which dealt with the use of psychoanalysis and other philosophies to "reformulate" psychoanalysis and reorder society's view of reality.

According to Glassgold, "Psychoanalysis has evolved and modern psychoanalysis no longer sees heterosexuality as normative and no longer views sexual and gender varieties as pathological; as a result, psychoanalysis and LGBT psychology do not have to be at odds, and can actually be allies..."

[little jeremiah]

"According to Glassgold, "Psychoanalysis has evolved and modern psychoanalysis no longer sees heterosexuality as normative and no longer views sexual and gender varieties as pathological..."

Well, that certainly opens the floodgates, doesn't it?

[oceanperch]

I thought these were people born with a physical dis-figuration/disability of having both male and female reproductive organs.

How and why would they choose to be apart of a Political Homosexual movement.

They have a medical birth defect that they either deal with or don't.

Are all the people born with no arms or spina bifada ect. going to sue everyone and have parades?

This is crazy.

I enjoy talking to other careproviders who give all to their loved ones but truth is my son has always preferred mainstream social arenas. I think it has to do with he did not want to associate with mentally developmentally delayed kids because he is mistaken as someone mentally disabled because of his severe physical disability.

I prefer on my time off to do things by myself. I don't hang with friends when I am on my day off I go it alone.

Friends come over or we visit when we are together as a family.

I don't think my enjoying doing things on my own should interfere with those who enjoy doing things as groups.

I choose my eating places ect where I know big families and lots of kids are going to be. I don't sue someone for not providing me a myself only area.

Why do the homosexual political grps. insist on bringing negative attention to themselves. Have they some need for attention as humans whether it be negative or positive. Sounds like a personal problem/flaw not a real prejudicial situation.

It is immature to expect the world to cater to ones individuality.

I certainly don't insist my dogs be accepted everywhere as much as I love them. I parked in a city lot the other night and a sidewalk cafe was right there. So I thought hmmmm maybe I should park away from the sidewalk (spendy) cafe/restaurant so that the activity will not induce the boys to bark and annoy the clients.

How hard is it for these idiots who claim hate against them that if they would think of others and not be so self centered life might just be a little more enjoyable.

You don't make friends by pissing people off.

[Fledermaus]

I figure they'd just buy them drinks and ask if they want to see their art collection!

[Fledermaus]

No, no, no...they aren't necessarily ones with "birth defects". Most "transexuals" today are men that get boob jobs, take hormones, dress like women but don't cut off the member.

[oceanperch]

Oh so they choose to have both reproductive features via medical alterations.

God! Life is a challenge why induce negative crap...stupid Drama Queens.

Yeah reap what ya sow or sew.

[oceanperch]

Kinda like emotionally disturbed teen girls who cut themselves.

[lentulusgracchus]

Matt Foreman, the executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, wrote an op-ed on Tuesday, saying the time for debate is over: Foreman says it's time to include transsexuals in all pro-homosexual federal legislation, including the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA).

Shouldn't that be the B-GLT Employment Non-Discrimination Equity Resolution (BENDER)?

Ever notice how often these guys get up and announce that "the time for debate is over"?

[lentulusgracchus]

I thought these were people born with a physical dis-figuration/disability of having both male and female reproductive organs.

You're thinking of hermaphrodites. Enrico Caruso was supposedly a hermaphrodite -- hence the great voice, like a castrato.

Natural "gender errors" -- infants born with ambiguous genitalia -- are usually quietly fixed up by surgeons as neonates.

[maro]

Hysterical and inevitable. Once you stop defining things in terms of traditional morality, there is no place where one can logically say, "Thus far and no further."

[get'emall]

NAMBLA...NAMBLA...NAMBLA...

[BJungNan]

Well, I was going to suggest that public restrooms be expanded. Hetro Men, Hetro Women, Gay Men, Lesbians. However, after reading this article, it appears a fifth restroom is also needed for transexuals.

[ArGee]

"In a climate where the GOP is using scare tactics to erase the GLBT people from gaining civil rights, we believe that for the largest GLBT organization in our country to be playing these kinds of political games is not only divisive to our community but unconscionable," said Ethan St. Pierre, organizer of the Transsexual Menace event, in a press release.

The most important part of this whole discussion lies in this paragraph. Mr/Ms/Unknown St. Pierre doesn't allow for debate as to whether perversion is a civil right. He takes that for granted and makes the debate whether HRC should include his particular perversion.

However, perversion is not a civil right. Perverts do not have a claim to civil rights legislation. If we really want to take this culture back, we're going to have to take the dialog back to the roots.

Homosexuality is a perversion that should be corrected. So is the desire of a man to become a woman, and vice versa.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

It all boils down to tolerance and acceptance. The gays can't tolerate us because we believe marriage is between man and woman. So much for their tolerance. I thought it went both ways.

It's much deeper than that. The homosexuals know they are wrong. The latest psychological buzz is that they must learn to accept themselves, but all of us are inborn with a conscience that tells them they are wrong. They have two choices. Learn to deal with their perversion as perversion, get a grip on it, and eventually "go straight," or convince themselves they really aren't wrong after all.

Unfortunately, the latter is simply not possible. So they become obsessive/compulsive about forcing us to recognize them. Their hope is that if we all go along, that quiet little voice inside will finally shut up.

The only way to prove to them they are wrong would be to give them what they think they want. Paul addresses this in Romans 1. After G-d has tried everything else to show them how wrong they are, He gives them over to their perversion. It sounds like the ultimate punishment, but it is actually the ultimate reality check. Unfortunately, it is a destructive one.

Shalom.