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2 Air Marshals Removed From Cleveland Flight (They were violating DRESS CODE!)
Newsnet5 (Cleveland) ^ | August 9, 2004

Posted on 08/09/2004 12:11:25 PM PDT by E Rocc

2 Air Marshals Removed From Cleveland Flight

Air Marshals Worry They're Too Easily Noticed

POSTED: 8:53 am EDT August 9, 2004

CLEVELAND -- Some federal air marshals complain that rigid dress codes and grooming rules have made them easy to spot.

"It's a joke," one air marshal, speaking on condition of anonymity, told The Plain Dealer.

For months, marshals have been trying to get the dress code rules relaxed because they say their formal dress makes them stick out, not blend in.

"You can't go out on Southwest Airlines on a weekend in a business suit," said John Amat, a spokesman for the Federal Law Enforcement Officer Association. "It just doesn't cut it."

Amat and air marshals say if the casual traveler can spot an air marshal, so could a potential terrorist. The biggest fear among some air marshals is that terrorists will specifically target them and use their weapons to hijack a plane.

Federal officials vigorously defend the dress code and say the complaining marshals are exaggerating the issue.

"They're going to look like any other passenger, but they need to be dressed professionally. The suggestion that air marshals are easily spotted because of their attire is simply not true," said David Adams, a spokesman for the service.

The issue took on renewed urgency last month, when two marshals were removed from a Southwest Airlines flight leaving Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, after a supervisor saw them improperly dressed. Their sport coats were not visible, the newspaper reported, citing law enforcement sources familiar with the incident.

The marshals were not replaced on the flight, the sources said.

Amat said this matter was the first publicly known incident in which agents were removed from a flight for violating the dress code. The association represents about 1,300 air marshals.

Air marshals told The Plain Dealer they used to be encouraged to grow beards and dress casually to blend in with airport crowds.

The current policy was put in place in 2002 by the Federal Air Marshal Service, a branch of the Department of Homeland Security. It says air marshals should wear "conservative" business attire such as sport coats and slacks. Grooming rules dictate the length of sideburns and the trim of an agent's hair and mustache.

Amat said boarding procedures that require marshals to check in with ticket agents also make them easy to spot.

"The bottom line is no one should know who these guys are," Amat said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Ohio; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; airmarshalls; chickenclinton; tsa
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To: E Rocc
I was on a USair flight from Pittsburgh to Seattle where the massively obese Air Marshal wore only a pair of fish-net speedos and a sailor hat. He had his shield pinned through his right nipple and he would squint at you peevishly over the top of his circa '70s Rayban sunglasses.

Everyone moved smartly and cautiously about the cabin, believe me.
21 posted on 08/09/2004 12:42:06 PM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: Petronski
The President needs to demand the resignation of Norm Mineta immediately.

Are you kidding? He's the only thing standing between us and the horrors of Racial Profiling!

22 posted on 08/09/2004 12:42:06 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (We live in a wonderful country where any child can grow up to be the next Ronald Reagan.)
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To: brewcrew

Typical bureaucrat BS.
This is what happens when you put small minded people in positions of power.

This has nothing to do with protection or professionalism and everything to do with CONTROL!!!


23 posted on 08/09/2004 12:42:40 PM PDT by Dad2Angels
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To: E Rocc
"They're going to look like any other passenger, but they need to be dressed professionally. The suggestion that air marshals are easily spotted because of their attire is simply not true," said David Adams, a spokesman for the service.

This is just insane!

24 posted on 08/09/2004 12:43:07 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("I actually was going to throw like a man before I threw like a girl." JFK 7/25/2004)
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To: longtermmemmory
Disinformation...?

I think you may be on to something & I have felt the same way since this issue became news a few days ago.

Even I have a hard time believing that our massive, bloated bureaucracy could be this stupid.

25 posted on 08/09/2004 12:44:42 PM PDT by gdani
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To: brewcrew

You are probably right, this happens in many federal agencies. Sometimes it pays to know how to play golf with the person in charge. I know how those Air Marshals feel, and in order to catch to dirt you must blend with the dirt. Bush/cheney 2004


26 posted on 08/09/2004 12:46:52 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62))
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To: NonValueAdded

Just more of the Mineta Democrats typical "black is white," Kerry is a war hero" nonsense, with zero grasp of facts and reality.


27 posted on 08/09/2004 12:47:22 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: bondjamesbond

I wanna read Michele Malkin's new book: The Case for Internment.


28 posted on 08/09/2004 12:49:31 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: E Rocc
Incredible stupidity by the headquarters types. Police officers call this kind of thing "chicken-(clinton)". In a case like this, it passes beyond petty and becomes dangerous.

Incredible stupidity, indeed. Dangerous for us all.

"The bottom line is no one should know who these guys are," Amat said.

But I suppose 'profiling' is absolutely verboten. Mustn't single out the actual bad guys. Just another colossal instance of tossing out the baby and preserving his bathwater.

29 posted on 08/09/2004 12:51:21 PM PDT by fortunecookie (VOTE Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: Asclepius

You trying to blow my cover?


30 posted on 08/09/2004 12:51:27 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Petronski

She's going to be on Hannity on wabcradio.com very shortly.

31 posted on 08/09/2004 12:53:53 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: E Rocc

I know an air marshal. He was a police detective prior to becoming an air marshal, and all the other cops used to make fun of him for the way he dressed. When working he was a Don Johnson/Miami Vice look-a-like with the tank-top T shirt and baggy pants, and he used to wear his badge like a necklace. Once he showed up to court wearing spandex biking shorts and a tank-top T-shirt.

While I'm sure dressing in a suit is a bad idea for these guys and I understand why they have to fit in, this story amuses me. I've got to believe the one of the guys who was dressed inappropriately is the guy I know.


32 posted on 08/09/2004 12:55:47 PM PDT by SittinYonder (I was a believer)
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To: theDentist
"We don't stand out. They can't spot us."

33 posted on 08/09/2004 12:57:02 PM PDT by Sender ("Hype is on the way!" -John F'n Kerry)
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To: bondjamesbond
You're right, I think. Some things are just so obvious that it's painful. WHY do they need to wear a sport coat? Are they afraid they won't look professional enough to any terrorist on board? Ah, bureaucracy, it's a wonderful thing, isn't it?
34 posted on 08/09/2004 12:57:07 PM PDT by Max7
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To: E Rocc
FUBAR!

and stupid beyond belief
35 posted on 08/09/2004 12:58:25 PM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: AgentEcho
I encourage everyone to go to this link you posted and tell them your opinion of this asinine policy.

www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/contactus

It's easy, quick, and it allows HTML formatting. Which means you can bold your rant!

36 posted on 08/09/2004 12:59:57 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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To: gdani

Never underestimate the stupidity of a bureacracy. My hunch is that this story is real.


37 posted on 08/09/2004 1:02:47 PM PDT by kms61
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To: Asclepius

Good lord!  Now I must resort to cleansing that image from my brain...

38 posted on 08/09/2004 1:03:37 PM PDT by Damocles (sword of...)
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To: E Rocc
Maybe they could dress as inconspicuous as this:


39 posted on 08/09/2004 1:08:23 PM PDT by tom h
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To: longtermmemmory

one can only hope.


40 posted on 08/09/2004 1:08:30 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("I actually was going to throw like a man before I threw like a girl." JFK 7/25/2004)
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