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The Swift Boat Ad--A Rebuttal (Doc Farmer Rebuts Susan Estrich)
Chron Watch ^ | 10 August 2004 | Doc Farmer

Posted on 08/10/2004 5:44:25 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln

Editor's Note:  The original article below is from the column, ''The Swift Boat Ad,'' by Susan Estrich.  After reading it, Doc Farmer became so incensed that he decided to rebut her article point for point.  Ms. Estrich's article is in black, and Doc Farmer's comments are in blue.

        The latest piece of ugliness in this year's presidential race is an ad attacking John Kerry's record as a swift boat captain in the Vietnam War.

        If the add reflects the truth, Ms. Estrich, then then ugliness is the fact that your vaunted lib/dem/soc/commie candidate is a liar.  It seems to be the habit of your side of the political aisle...

        In what is shaping up to be the ugliest, slimiest, dirtiest year in presidential history, this one takes the cake--so far.

        Ah, so the MoveOn.org ad finalist comparing Dubya to Hitler is apparently less ugly than the truth about Kerry, eh?

        The ad is an attack not only on Kerry, but also on the military itself--an attack on the process by which the military awards honors and on the men who vouched for Kerry when he was awarded his.

        Wrong. Kerry's lies are what have dishonoured the military, madam.  He diminished the awards of all others who received them for valid, justified means. That's not the fault of the ad, nor of the Swift Boat Vets.   It's Kerry's fault.

        It is known as the ''Swift Boat Ad.''  If you haven't seen it, you will certainly hear about it.  It features men who claim that they served with Kerry, and who argue that he wasn't really the war hero that his shipmates and the Navy say he was.

        The ''claim,'' as you put it, is the truth.  They served with Kerry.  They may not have all served on the same boat, but a Swift Boat can only handle about six or seven people.  There are 12 in the ad.  Do the math...

        Some of the men in the ad have been Kerry enemies for years.  Most have developed new memories of events that are 30 years old since Kerry emerged as the Democratic nominee.

        Sorry, is somebody who disagrees with Kerry automatically viewed as an ''enemy" or is this just more hyperbole to discredit the honorable in order to protect the dishonorable?  As to the "new memories" there is nothing new about them.  Kerry never ran for president before.  Perhaps, Ms. Estrich, you should check out the difference between a senator and a president.  One is not responsible for U.S. troops, and the other one is.  That said, if you knew somebody couldn't handle that responsibility, wouldn't you pipe up and say so?  Or would you only do that if he were a political ''enemy''?

        The White House, defending an incumbent who is still trying to support claims that he fulfilled his military service with dental records from Alabama from the summer of 1972, has contended that it has nothing to do with the ad, but it has refused to demand that its supporters, who financed it, take it off the air.

        Ah, you're raising that old canard again, eh?  Dubya didn't fulfill his service?  What a load of male bovine excrement.  It has been proved--PROVED--that he did.  The documentation is released and available.  Now, unless you've got proof positive that Dubya evaded service, aided and comforted the enemy, illegally negotiated with communists in Paris, or other accusations (and by the way, Kerry did all those things!) then kindly shut your pie-hole.

    Consider:


        This year, because of changes in the law, and the proliferation of independent groups, the presidential candidates have less control than ever over what goes over the airwaves in support of their candidacies.  Even so, it is difficult to believe that Bush's friend Perry would ignore a call from the White House requesting him to stop supporting a group that is embarrassing the president.

        On one point we agree--the change in the campaign finance law is an idiotic mess, made worse by the gross violation of the First Amendment and the unbelievable decision of the Supreme Court that this unconstitutional law was, somehow, constitutional.

        As to Dubya's ''friend'' I would assume that he is not a puppet, to be directed by the president at his slightest whim.  Besides, you lib/dem/soc/commies are always saying that Dubya's the real puppet.  Make up your minds!


        Last year, Republicans were quick to pounce on Moveon.org, an independent Democratic group, when a public contest included on ad that compared Bush to Hitler.  The Republicans were right to be outraged--Democrats denounced the ad, and MoveOn removed it.  In the end, it is not unfair to judge a candidate by the company he keeps.

        Except that's exactly what you're saying here.  Judge Kerry by the nine who are going on stage with him (probably paid or at least wined and dined by Kerry) but not the 250 or so who have joined the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign.  Judge Dubya by his friendship with Mr. Perry, but don't judge Kerry by his relationship with Mr. Soros.   Rep/cons were right to denounce the Hitler ad because it was based upon lies.  The only reason you're honked off about the Swift Boats Ad, madam, is because it is based upon the truth.

        The White House has said it does not believe that this election should be run on the issue of John Kerry's Vietnam War record.  If it is, George Bush can only lose.  He wasn't a hero--like Bill Clinton and Dick Cheney, he did everything he could to avoid service in a dangerous war.  He did not save anyone's life but his own.

        The White House will not bring up Kerry's war record.  However, Kerry is the one running of four bogus months in country.  He got three band-aid boo-boos and rode out of Vietnam on that technicality.  He came back and claimed to the Senate, under oath, that war crimes occurred in Vietnam, which makes him either 1) a war criminal or 2) a perjurer.  We've already had a perjurer in the White House, thank you so very much, and we don't want another one in there.  George Bush wasn't a war hero.  But that's not a prerequisite for the presidency.  What is required is leadership, honor, decency, and strength.

        Kerry has none of those attributes, madam.  That's probably why you want him in the Oval Office.

        America deserves better than that. 


Note.  Susan Estrich's original article can be found at http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/9/90459.shtml

About the Writer: Doc Farmer is a writer and humorist who is also a moderator on ChronWatch's Forum. He formerly lived in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, but now resides in Indiana. Doc receives e-mail at docfarmer9999@yahoo.co.uk.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ads; docfarmer; kerry; susanestrich; swiftboat; swiftboatveterans
I've had trouble with the formatting.....sorry, but the author's remarks should be italicized. I must leave for capitalistic endeavors (work).

Lando

1 posted on 08/10/2004 5:44:25 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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To: Lando Lincoln

You know the swift boat issue is big when you see the democrats howling so loudly...


2 posted on 08/10/2004 5:51:31 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Great rebuttal! If only Hannity was quick enough on his feet and had enough control of his show to do that in real time.


3 posted on 08/10/2004 5:53:54 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (When it came to Intelligence, Kerry was absent)
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To: Lando Lincoln

You did very well sir. I enjoy reading this.

BTTT


4 posted on 08/10/2004 5:54:15 AM PDT by TMSuchman (If we don't get out to vote, the anti-Americans will win, and we will loose everything!)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Explain to me why Ms. Estrich is still featured on Newsmax. That is a major reason why I no longer visit their web site.


5 posted on 08/10/2004 5:55:30 AM PDT by KJacob (God's purpose is never the same as man's purpose.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Estrogen: "It features men who claim that they served with Kerry, and who argue that he wasn't really the war hero that his shipmates and the Navy say he was."

Saw her on Hannity and Colmes making the same point. Only she went much further. According to her, if you didn't serve on the same boat as Kerry, you didn't "serve with him." Never have I heard such ignorance. That's like saying the guys who weren't in the same squad as me, didn't serve with me. Stupid, ignorant, ugly slut.

6 posted on 08/10/2004 5:56:14 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Lando Lincoln
If the add reflects the truth, Ms. Estrich, then then ugliness is the fact that your vaunted lib/dem/soc/commie candidate is a liar.

Good work, ugliness and Ms. Estrich in the same sentence.

7 posted on 08/10/2004 5:58:39 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: 2banana

Isn't flip-flop Kerry the one who stated from the very onset of his campaign to "bring it on?" Seems as if Kerry can't stand the heat and the Swift Boat Vets' credibility just keeps getting stronger and stronger each day.


8 posted on 08/10/2004 5:59:32 AM PDT by smiley
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To: Lando Lincoln

Great article!


9 posted on 08/10/2004 6:01:04 AM PDT by NoClones
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To: Lando Lincoln
Excellent rebuttal.

Makes you wonder why Kerry won't release his military and medical records??????

10 posted on 08/10/2004 6:02:08 AM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: Semper Paratus

And why is Estrich on Fox News? Her horrible voice drives me to the switch button.


11 posted on 08/10/2004 6:03:07 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dante3
The face of liberal hate:

12 posted on 08/10/2004 6:04:50 AM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: Dante3
The face of liberal hate:

13 posted on 08/10/2004 6:05:08 AM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: Lando Lincoln; All

Is there any rhyme or reason for anyone [lib/dem/soc/commie/others] to consider 16 weeks of Vietnam service a qualification for President of the United States?


14 posted on 08/10/2004 6:05:21 AM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

bttttttttttt


15 posted on 08/10/2004 6:05:32 AM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: Lando Lincoln
She was replacing Alan Colmes on Hannity and Colmes. I cannot stand her voice, squirming, and partisanship. She was very rude to a Vet against Kerry they had on. I wrote Fox and voiced my opinion of her and told them to buy her a can of Raid as I could not stand her squirming around as if she had ants in her panties.
16 posted on 08/10/2004 6:09:26 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: Lando Lincoln
Doc Farmer should also send a copy of his rebuttal to that other ignorer of the truth and bully of honorable veterans....the loathsome Bill O'Reilly.

Leni

18 posted on 08/10/2004 6:09:46 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Stop Global Whining)
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To: Lando Lincoln
added the blue (hope it works):

        The latest piece of ugliness in this year's presidential race is an ad attacking John Kerry's record as a swift boat captain in the Vietnam War.

        If the add reflects the truth, Ms. Estrich, then then ugliness is the fact that your vaunted lib/dem/soc/commie candidate is a liar.  It seems to be the habit of your side of the political aisle...

        In what is shaping up to be the ugliest, slimiest, dirtiest year in presidential history, this one takes the cake--so far.

        Ah, so the MoveOn.org ad finalist comparing Dubya to Hitler is apparently less ugly than the truth about Kerry, eh?

        The ad is an attack not only on Kerry, but also on the military itself--an attack on the process by which the military awards honors and on the men who vouched for Kerry when he was awarded his.

         ;Wrong. Kerry's lies are what have dishonoured the military, madam.  He diminished the awards of all others who received them for valid, justified means. That's not the fault of the ad, nor of the Swift Boat Vets.   It's Kerry's fault.

        It is known as the ''Swift Boat Ad.''  If you haven't seen it, you will certainly hear about it.  It features men who claim that they served with Kerry, and who argue that he wasn't really the war hero that his shipmates and the Navy say he was.

         The ''claim,'' as you put it, is the truth.  They served with Kerry.  They may not have all served on the same boat, but a Swift Boat can only handle about six or seven people.  There are 12 in the ad.  Do the math...

        Some of the men in the ad have been Kerry enemies for years.  Most have developed new memories of events that are 30 years old since Kerry emerged as the Democratic nominee.

        Sorry, is somebody who disagrees with Kerry automatically viewed as an ''enemy" or is this just more hyperbole to discredit the honorable in order to protect the dishonorable?  As to the "new memories" there is nothing new about them.  Kerry never ran for president before.  Perhaps, Ms. Estrich, you should check out the difference between a senator and a president.  One is not responsible for U.S. troops, and the other one is.  That said, if you knew somebody couldn't handle that responsibility, wouldn't you pipe up and say so?  Or would you only do that if he were a political ''enemy''?

        The White House, defending an incumbent who is still trying to support claims that he fulfilled his military service with dental records from Alabama from the summer of 1972, has contended that it has nothing to do with the ad, but it has refused to demand that its supporters, who financed it, take it off the air.

         Ah, you're raising that old canard again, eh?  Dubya didn't fulfill his service?  What a load of male bovine excrement.  It has been proved--PROVED--that he did.  The documentation is released and available.  Now, unless you've got proof positive that Dubya evaded service, aided and comforted the enemy, illegally negotiated with communists in Paris, or other accusations (and by the way, Kerry did all those things!) then kindly shut your pie-hole.

    Consider:


        This year, because of changes in the law, and the proliferation of independent groups, the presidential candidates have less control than ever over what goes over the airwaves in support of their candidacies.  Even so, it is difficult to believe that Bush's friend Perry would ignore a call from the White House requesting him to stop supporting a group that is embarrassing the president.

        On one point we agree--the change in the campaign finance law is an idiotic mess, made worse by the gross violation of the First Amendment and the unbelievable decision of the Supreme Court that this unconstitutional law was, somehow, constitutional.

        As to Dubya's ''friend'' I would assume that he is not a puppet, to be directed by the president at his slightest whim.  Besides, you lib/dem/soc/commies are always saying that Dubya's the real puppet.  Make up your minds!


        Last year, Republicans were quick to pounce on Moveon.org, an independent Democratic group, when a public contest included on ad that compared Bush to Hitler.  The Republicans were right to be outraged--Democrats denounced the ad, and MoveOn removed it.  In the end, it is not unfair to judge a candidate by the company he keeps.

        Except that's exactly what you're saying here.  Judge Kerry by the nine who are going on stage with him (probably paid or at least wined and dined by Kerry) but not the 250 or so who have joined the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign.  Judge Dubya by his friendship with Mr. Perry, but don't judge Kerry by his relationship with Mr. Soros.   Rep/cons were right to denounce the Hitler ad because it was based upon lies.  The only reason you're honked off about the Swift Boats Ad, madam, is because it is based upon the truth.

        The White House has said it does not believe that this election should be run on the issue of John Kerry's Vietnam War record.  If it is, George Bush can only lose.  He wasn't a hero--like Bill Clinton and Dick Cheney, he did everything he could to avoid service in a dangerous war.  He did not save anyone's life but his own.

        The White House will not bring up Kerry's war record.  However, Kerry is the one running of four bogus months in country.  He got three band-aid boo-boos and rode out of Vietnam on that technicality.  He came back and claimed to the Senate, under oath, that war crimes occurred in Vietnam, which makes him either 1) a war criminal or 2) a perjurer.  We've already had a perjurer in the White House, thank you so very much, and we don't want another one in there.  George Bush wasn't a war hero.  But that's not a prerequisite for the presidency.  What is required is leadership, honor, decency, and strength.

        Kerry has none of those attributes, madam.  That's probably why you want him in the Oval Office.

        America deserves better than that. 


19 posted on 08/10/2004 6:11:00 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: Dante3
I AGREE! I cannot STAND the bimbo! What an empty talking head.


"I am Susan Estrich, hear me shrillllllllllllll!"
20 posted on 08/10/2004 6:13:43 AM PDT by gunnygail (John F Kerry sure can "parlez vous a HUMMA HUMMA!")
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To: LibWhacker

I suppose those guys were always on the boat and had no contact with anyone else in their unit. Alone, all by themselves, they traveled up the Mekong Delta, towards the enemy in Cambodia, occaisionally banking the boat to chase down fleeing insurgents.


21 posted on 08/10/2004 6:14:34 AM PDT by NeonKnight
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To: NeonKnight
What unit? Every squad-sized group of men was fighting the war all by themselves. None of them ever saw any other Americans over there, outside of their own little group of ten guys, much less knew them, lol!

Man, you'd think liberals would be ashamed to open their ignorant mouths.

22 posted on 08/10/2004 6:34:33 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Lando Lincoln

Unfortunately I had to watch Susan Estrich bleat on and on about the minutea regarding the Swift Boat ad. Her ignorance of anything military was nauseating. According to her thinking, when I was Company Commander of Charlie Company, 4th Tank Bn, I only served with 3 out of my 200 Marines, just because they weren't on my tank.

She makes my teeth itch.


23 posted on 08/10/2004 6:38:00 AM PDT by rjsimmons
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To: Lando Lincoln

Estrich is a blind partisan who isn't terribly bright. Her knee jerk reaction is telling though, they fear the truth and they know Kerry needs everything to go his way for him to have a small chance of winning.


24 posted on 08/10/2004 6:57:40 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Lando Lincoln
The doctor in the ad who claims that John Kerry was lying about his injuries was not the doctor who signed John Kerry's sick call sheet and was not a Kerry crew mate.

How do you know he wasn't the doctor who signed for the injuriees? You have the burden of proof to prove he wasn't the doctor. Let's see the medical records.
25 posted on 08/10/2004 7:07:52 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: ChadGore
AAAAAAAAAAAA MY EYES!! must go bleach my eyes! and you had to post it twice!
 
I saw her fawning over fat teddys speech on Greta's show, jeez that was so nauseating. I guess to this pig-bit*h, killing a woman is worthy of her praise.
 
She is foul, disgusting, stupid, and I wish Fox would just fire her already

26 posted on 08/10/2004 7:19:14 AM PDT by backinthefold (President Kerry.... If that thought doesn't send you shivering to the corner, what will??)
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To: backinthefold

Do you suppose she is type cast by FOXNews on account of her shrill voice and sad looks makes the dimmy dems look silly and laughable? It would make an interesting marketing plan.


27 posted on 08/10/2004 8:10:17 AM PDT by tioga (Flush the johns in '04!)
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To: Lando Lincoln
The ad is an attack not only on Kerry, but also on the military itself--an attack on the process by which the military awards honors and on the men who vouched for Kerry when he was awarded his.

This part of the hypocrisy is, perhaps, the one that makes me craziest. Kerry's medals are beyond reproach, because the military awarded them, made a decision, that's it, end of story. President Bush's honorable discharge, however, doesn't answer all the questions, we have to investigate further, etc., etc. Look, either the military's judgment is the last word, or it isn't and further investigation is appropriate (especially if a candidate makes his service the center of his campaign). This approach of "the military was right in its decision about me, but wrong in its decision about you" makes me just furious!

28 posted on 08/10/2004 8:14:38 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: Puddleglum; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thanks P for the proper formatting! Tonk, I'm pingin' this your way. Think you'll like it!

Lando

29 posted on 08/10/2004 8:25:42 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln (A Fair and Balanced Decision - GWB in 2004)
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To: ChadGore
There is just something familiar about that picture. Let me see.

Ah, yes...

Susan Estrich - Fox News Political analyst Balok - Star Trek: The Corbomite Maneuver.




dvwjr

30 posted on 08/10/2004 11:46:24 AM PDT by dvwjr
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