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***Fact: In 25 Years It Will Be Washington, Lincoln And Bush 43***
Stardate: 0408.11

Posted on 08/11/2004 7:08:05 AM PDT by The Wizard

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To: barryallen
ya and we would have just lost those lame southern ones which we don't really need anyway.

Spoken like a perfect ignoramus.

The American South, more than any other region of the Western world, is the remaining citadel of Western culture and values.

Without the South, America would be spiritually, culturally and militarily a far poorer place than it is today.

41 posted on 08/11/2004 7:56:08 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

sure i agree competely

PS hahahaha


42 posted on 08/11/2004 7:57:05 AM PDT by barryallen
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

The CSA was not a foregin country, but part of the USA. They were rebelds.


43 posted on 08/11/2004 7:57:26 AM PDT by Reader of news
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To: wideawake
Lincoln managed to preserve the Union.

Yeah, and ain't it great. Since we will never know how the world would have been with a different outcome it's not possible to say it was a good thing.

He will always be one of the greatest US Presidents because he managed not to be the last US President

Good Presidents don't ignore the constitution and cause the death of at least 600,000 people for a dubious concept.

44 posted on 08/11/2004 7:58:16 AM PDT by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: wideawake
That's not what the founders envisioned

Nonsense

45 posted on 08/11/2004 8:00:18 AM PDT by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: The Wizard
Amen to that! GWB 43 will crush the infidel invaders between the sword of truth and the rock of US sovereignty. We'll put the empty ketchup bottles in the trash, push it out to the curb of history, and that will be that.

Of course then we'll have to listen to the anguished howls of tormented creatures in the moonlight for four more years.

46 posted on 08/11/2004 8:00:58 AM PDT by Sender ("Hype is on the way!" -John F'n Kerry)
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To: wideawake
Well, you're entitled to it.

Thank you for your generosity.

What we will never know is how history would have turned out if nothing was done, the USA and CSA were allowed to evolve in a more natural course. A little competiton never hurt anyone, just makes them better. Today's rats and Lincoln both share that 'gotta be one big group or else' mentality IMHO.

47 posted on 08/11/2004 8:02:47 AM PDT by bankwalker (Real women don't like girly men.)
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To: barryallen
we would have just lost those lame southern ones which we don't really need anyway.

So why fight to keep them in the Union?

48 posted on 08/11/2004 8:03:48 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: wideawake
And a house that has had one of its outer walls ripped away would still continue to exist, it just would be better-ventilated.

I feel an awful draft. What? We haven't annexed Canada yet? It's our manifest destiny, man!

49 posted on 08/11/2004 8:03:55 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Keith
As for Dubya, I will someday proudly call him, "The Abraham Lincoln of the Middle East."

I'd rather call him the savior of the original concept of freedom in America, but that will never happen. Too busy "nation building" elsewhere while this nation crumbles.

50 posted on 08/11/2004 8:04:05 AM PDT by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: sheltonmac

keep your powder dry


51 posted on 08/11/2004 8:07:25 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: barryallen

Slow day at DU, huh?


52 posted on 08/11/2004 8:09:03 AM PDT by cweese
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To: Protagoras
Yeah, and ain't it great. Since we will never know how the world would have been with a different outcome it's not possible to say it was a good thing.

I can point to several useful accomplishments of the Union that would have been impossible or highly impracticable if the US had been divided.

Good Presidents don't ignore the constitution and cause the death of at least 600,000 people for a dubious concept.

Lincoln didn't ignore the Constitution. He was of the opinion that the Constitution did not mandate its own destruction.

It's an opinion whose merits can be debated, but to say that Lincoln simply ignored the Constitution is an exercise in self-deception.

Ascribing the death toll of the Civil War entirely to Lincoln is, of course, silly. One might as well say that it was Johnston's fault for not taking Washington immediately after First Manassas.

The indivisibility of the Union is not "dubious" or a mere "concept." If one reads The Federalist with attention, one will see that the legality of secession was not contemplated by the original advocates of the US Constitution.

And the physical fact of Union, far from being merely conceptual, had real implications for the safety and prosperity of the inhabitants of the US.

53 posted on 08/11/2004 8:09:25 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Oberon
I feel an awful draft. What? We haven't annexed Canada yet? It's our manifest destiny, man!

I wasn't aware that Canada had ever ratified the US Constitution. Please fill me in on the details.

54 posted on 08/11/2004 8:10:48 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: The Wizard

"We're not worthty....we're not worthy"


55 posted on 08/11/2004 8:10:49 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: The Wizard

Tip O'Neill was a slimy gasbag.


56 posted on 08/11/2004 8:12:26 AM PDT by Luke21 (Christ is wonderful)
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

Ditto!


57 posted on 08/11/2004 8:13:04 AM PDT by hobson
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To: Oberon

The Canadian provinces never were states of the USA. The states of the CSA were.


58 posted on 08/11/2004 8:13:10 AM PDT by Reader of news
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To: uncbob

The states that seceded are the most bellicose, as they always have been. I don't know if that makes them the most patriotic. They just have different ideas of how American power should be used.


59 posted on 08/11/2004 8:14:05 AM PDT by TedsGarage
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf
Lincoln Liberal? By what standard?

He would be considered Right-wing by todays standards.


60 posted on 08/11/2004 8:16:27 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Democrat=lights off and everyone home)
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