Terrorists Akin to 'Notorious Nazi Groups,' Says Wolfowitz

AFPS-DoD ^ | August 11, 2004 | Gerry J. Gilmore

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

Terrorists Akin to 'Notorious Nazi Groups,' Says Wolfowitz

By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Aug. 11, 2004 – The Defense Department's No. 2 official compared radical Islamic terrorists to Adolf Hitler's dispensers of death –- the dreaded "Schutzstaffel," or SS -- during Aug. 10 testimony on Capitol Hill.

Appearing before House Armed Services Committee to discuss the military's role in carrying out the 9/11 Commission's recommendations to deny terrorists places of sanctuary, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz observed that the United States and its allies "are fighting a cult of death, not life."

Accompanied by Marine Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Army Gen. Bryan Brown, head of U.S. Special Operations Command, Wolfowitz observed that preventing terrorism "means more than killing or capturing terrorists."

Ultimate victory over global terrorism, he noted, "requires sowing the seeds of hope, particularly in the broader Middle East."

The 9/11 Commission report, Wolfowitz told committee members, noted that radical Islamic fundamentalists possess an intolerant, non-negotiable ideology and world view that has no regard for human rights or the rule of law.

Global terrorism is another manmade evil "that needs to be eradicated and discarded," Wolfowitz said, "just as piracy and the slave trade were de- legitimized and driven to the margins of civilized life in the past."

Terrorists' extremist ideology, he said, must be "replaced by a hopeful vision of freedom."

Wolfowitz characterized terrorists who routinely employ suicide-attack tactics as "people who worship death more than they seem to worship anything else."

Today's radical Islamic terrorists, Wolfowitz pointed out, "remind you of the notorious Nazi groups like the SS that proudly wore the death's head as their symbol." Under Heinrich Himmler, the SS, which was established as Hitler's elite military force, stamped out dissent and propagated the Nazi vision of establishing a pure, "Aryan" race in Germany and in conquered territories.

Millions who didn't fit into the Nazis' world view, including political prisoners, gypsies, Jews, and mentally or physically challenged persons, were summarily killed or perished in labor and concentration camps.

Like the long-gone Nazis, Wolfowitz noted today's Islamic radicals also rely on terror and "their ability to kill innocent people" to attain and retain power.

The cures for radical Islamic terrorism "must come from within Muslim societies themselves," he said, and the United States "must support such developments."

Such a goal is "ambitious," Wolfowitz acknowledged. But, he pointed out, "the threat we face is ambitious" as well as "enormous and unprecedented."

Biography:
Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz

[stockpirate]

Well boys and girls, here is a web link that shows the connection the terrorists have with th eNazi's in WWII.

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

Appearing before House Armed Services Committee -- Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz observed that the United States and its allies "are fighting a cult of death, not life."

                

                  

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[norraad]

It's time we started huntin'um down like the dirty disgusting little nazi bastards they are.

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[blackie]

We are winning ~ the bad guys are losing ~ trolls, terrorists, democrats and the mainstream media are sad ~ very sad!

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[Ragtime Cowgirl]

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[SQUID]

A-MEN!!! Someone actually knows their history. The fact is, we shouldn't be comparing radical Islamic terrorists to Adolf Hitler's dispensers of death when they actually were dispensing death on behalf of Hitler and Muhammed.

A good place to see the muslim Nazi's in action is in the Balkans during WWII. The muslim Handgar and Skandarbeg (sp?) loved Serbian blood along with Pavelic.

Then we have people ask why were the Serbs during the Balkan conflict so "anti-muslim"? Because the muslims were so anti-anything that wasn't muslim and they were the sons of those who helped slaughter almost a million Serbs during WWII. They were the descendants of the Ottoman Turks who took the male children of Serbian homes and raised them muslim. That's why.

The muslims contributed greatly to the misery Orthodox Christians experienced when they wanted to clean the Balkans of all non-muslims. In fact this aim was written in black and white when Alia Izetbegovic wrote his book in 1956 of how he will make the Balkans muslim and deChristianize it. In fact if it wasn't for the Eastern Orthodox barrier, Rome would have a mosque built in it that was much taller then any church.

By the way, yes, the same Bosnian muslim man that was supported by Clinton, Albright, Clark, and Cohen as the champion of democracy.

[tkathy]

Nazi describes these fiends much better than fascism.

[Little Ray]

Isn't there some rule saying that if compare your opponents to Nazis you have already lost the argument?

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[Hoplite]

If the Bosnian Muslims were so Muslim, why did they get along so well with the Catholic Croats?

Why aren't they attacking our forces in Bosnia today?

Take your time figuring it out, genius.

And the reason we bombed the Serbs instead of the Muslims or Croats in the 1990's is because the Serbs were the mass murderin' champions, complete with extermination camps, the evidence of which keeps surfacing on a regular basis.

Even when our aircraft were tasked to bomb the Croats, the Serbs managed to get themselves bombed instead, by turning on their SAM radars.

Not a particularly smart lot - say, you're not related, are you?

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[Defender2]

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[SQUID]

Typical, personal attacks when there is no substance.

Okay, I'll play the game little pupil, are you ready? Get a pencil and paper to follow this.

Your questions are so elementary. What is even more funny about it, they expose the lack of your knowledge but that's okay. I am always willing to help you except I will have to write a book for you instead of a few sentences.

1) The Bosnian Muslims didn't get along "so well" with the Croats because, as I am sure you are already aware, they actually fought against each other in certain towns but it was pulled under control by the brass and other external political influences.

They realized that, they had a mutual interest against a common enemy, Serbs. They made the same alliance when your Croatian Nazi's headed by Ante Pavelic joined forces with your Muslim Nazis in that region headed by Husseini. So, they are old Axis.

That's what happens in war. Churchill made an alliance with Stalin. One of the biggest murderers during WWII. That doesn't mean they got along "so well". Maybe you should pick up a book about that.

Now, go look these names up so you can learn who they are and what they did. That will keep you busy for a while if you are really interested in the truth and the history behind people's motivations.

Also, find the book that Alia Izetbegovich wrote back in the late 50's called the "Islamic Declaration" He was the Bosnian President. You will learn something there I hope. That should clue you in on how "Muslim" he was at least.

2) Why are they not attacking our forces now? Wow, that's a tough one. Let me give you some clues. Our own state department found BinLaden connections in Bosnia.

3) Evidence?

Hahaha, you're such a sheep. You have no clue what the evidence was if any except for what they tell you is evidence. You have never collected evidence have you?

Also, the Hague court isn't even recognized by the international community because things like admitting hearsay etc...not to mention the violation of the UN Charter. You will find out why if you care to look.

The fact is, most of the 10,000 dead muslims reported back to service according to the AMERICAN RED CROSS. Check those records too.

People died, there is no denial, but not in the numbers or for the reason you were told.

Well, it looks like you have a lot of books and public records to read so I'll talk to you in a long while. Good luck.

Your Serbo-phobia is very clear. Maybe you should put aside some of your stupidity and hate to look for the truth on your own instead of just regurgitating what you get from media.

Good luck.

[Hoplite]

1) Ok, but what about the Muslims and Croats and Serbs who formed the Partisans? Somehow the winners in the Balkans during the war, and their anti-ethnonationalist stance or the fact that they spent most of the war sheltering amongst Bosnians of various stripes isn't included in your equation.

Why is that?

Also, what of the dissolution by desertion of the Bosnian and Albanian SS units later in the war? There wasn't much in the way of Nazi idealism amongst the Bosnians or Albanians, yet you go on about the "Muslim Nazi's".

And you have the temerity to suggest that I don't have a clue?

Get over yourself.

2) Bin Laden's organization operated in the Balkans. It arrived after the Serbs started slaughtering Bosnia's Muslims, when he saw an opportunity to exploit the situation for his own ends, i.e., skimming fundraising organizations to pay for his operations elsewhere.

If the cause and effect nature of Arkan and jihadis is beyond your grasp, well let's just say I'm not surprised.

There is no large Al Qaeda presence anywhere in the Balkans at this or any other time - the majority of mujahideen were Iranian sponsored, and Iran was ideologically hostile to Bin Laden during the time of the Bosnian war. You'll further note that when we asked Sarajevo to arrest and then hand over the Algerians (not Bosnians, there's a clue there for ya - Squid) they complied, even when doing so meant violating their own constitution.

As to Izetbegovic, if he was such a fundamentalist, why did the Serb members of the Federal Presidency vote him into the head position in 1990? Did his past somehow escape those who worked with him on a daily basis? What happened there, huh Squid?

Why was he proposing looser Federalism to the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes rather than a breakup of Yugoslavia?

And isn't it odd that the Serbs managed to destroy more churches in Bosnia than the Muslims did? You'd think that given Izetbegovic's "Muslim duty" to spread the faith by the sword, he wouldn't be surpassed by a bunch of Christians in that category, now would you?

3) Yes, evidence. If you see fit to simply cover your ears and close your eyes, that's your business.

Just don't be surprised when I get in your face for exposing your ignorance on a public forum, as is the case here.

Example - read Brunborg, Urdal, & Lyngstad's "Accounting for Genocide: How many were killed in Srebrenica?" It's available on the web, and explicitly addresses your concern yet comes up with a minimum number of missing and presumed dead of 7,475.

Given that the ICTY has given us such gems as the intercepted VRS radio communications where the Serbs are talking about their 6,000 odd prisoners, and subsequent admissions by VRS officers of the plans to execute and then move the bodies from primary to alternate graves, yeah, I can understand your hostility to that institution.

As to your mischaracterization of me, I don't have Serbophobia, Squid, that implies fear.

What I do have is an extreme dislike for the ignorant who think they're supporting Serbia by parrotting discredited Serb Nationalist propaganda and excuses regarding war crimes in Yugoslavia in the 1990's.

In the end, I'm interested in promoting and defending American interests. If they conflict with Serbian ones, that's just too friggin' bad for you.

And I was just joking about you reading that Srebrenica paper - I think we both know what the probability of your bothering to become an informed party to this particular discussion is - you seem more partial to posting easily countered BS.

Whatever course of action you choose, Squid, luck will not avail you. Either you're going to start doing your homework, in which case you'll see how tranparently erroneous your positions are, or you're going to get shredded.

[SQUID]

Don't give me this idealist, holier than Thou BULL CRAP!! I don't give a hoot about what you think you know but HISTORY has shown since Muhammed burned, raped, and murdered his way to the west that everywhere there is a large number of muslims there is war, there is hate, there is subversion, there is discrimination against every nonmuslim. Gee why is that? You don't bother to ask that questions do you? No you are simply concerned over how many the Serbs killed which was not even close to the numbers initially reported. Hell Bush killed more in 1 year than Serbs in 10.

Most of that was found to be exaggerated to justify the means I'm sure. Sure people got killed but Serbs got killed too. Almost 300,000 were "cleansed" from the Krajina region and have yet to return.

Kosovo now has a tiny amount of Serbs compared to the Muslims because they were driven out by the Church burning, children killing, UN shooting, drug dealing Muslims. Does that bother you? Does that bother you that Kosovo was once 90% SERBIAN and belonged to the Njemanic dynasty? ...taken away but the Muslim Turks, gee I wonder how. Certainly wasn't with a handshake. IT WAS BY THE SWORD! Serbs only wanted what was theirs and they were willing to die for it.

So, let me see now. If Florida had a majority of Muslims wanting to seaprate from the union what do you think would happen here? Would you protest in Washington DC on how many Muslims were abused and killed? Like hell.

Go to Saudi and try to say anything bad out loud about Islam and they would have your head. Try to go to Iran and appeal to the government for womens rights and equality with Christians and Jews. You would be shot. So, don't give me this chit about what Serbs did.

Why are you not in Sudan trying to stop the Muslims from Killing hundreds of thousands out there? Does that bother you? So fare it's a million dead! Where is your plane ticket?

I was in the war zones giving medicine to the children and the dying Muslim, Christian and Jewish alike while you were hear enjoying your internet, warm shower and clear water.

You didn't shred crap. I just don't have the time nor the inclination to straighten everything out with you. Just because I think your are full of BS doesn't mean I am wrong or that I am siding with any agenda. I saw it with my own eyes and you saw it through an edited screen.

As for being a Serbophobe, sure, you seem to be in line with the Clinton march... lock step tough guy. You don't even know what fear is.

I am not going to go into detail because it's not worth it. You are not worth it. I can't care less if you think you are some superior mind in a public forum. You are a legend in your own mind I am sure.

Your pompous attitude is there because you still have no proven facts and you dance around them like the ballerina that I think you are.

There are many reasons for the things that happened and it would take days to go through it with you. This is too complex and we are getting nowhere. The only think you shredded is the truth.

[Hoplite]

I just don't have the time nor the inclination to straighten everything out with you.

No Squid. What you are lacking is the subject matter expertise, and intellectual ability to mold that knowledge into a cogent, persuasive argument which would straighten anything out for anybody regarding the Balkans and what happend there since Milosevic came to power.