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1 posted on 08/12/2004 12:05:29 AM PDT by Lepidopteran
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115 posted on 08/12/2004 12:57:30 AM PDT by Porterville (Your sensitivity offends me you disgusting liberal.)
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I haven't had health insurance for years - and you will NEVER hear me whining about how the government should provide it for me. I know you're just trolling...that's okay, have your fun. But please check Kerry's voting record in the Senate - that is, when he bothered to show up and vote.


116 posted on 08/12/2004 12:58:21 AM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: Lepidopteran; MeekOneGOP; Interesting Times; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; potlatch; onyx; ...




-- Since July 15 2004 --



Second week of August 2004

More than enough time to get off drugs




121 posted on 08/12/2004 1:00:19 AM PDT by devolve (TERRY KERRY: http://pro.lookingat.us/ShoveIt.html http://pro.lookingat.us/KerryCambodia.html)
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To: Lepidopteran

125 posted on 08/12/2004 1:01:44 AM PDT by Porterville (Your sensitivity offends me you disgusting liberal.)
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How will you convince a neighbor with the same question to vote for the President? That he's a lefty is beside the point. Reagan found a way to attract voters from across the spectrum. Isn't it lazy for us to not even think it's possible. Reagan also said, if I'm not mistaken, that losing an election meant we didn't properly educate. I see little or no education of a potential voter on this thread, just a lot of the usual zot nonsense.


127 posted on 08/12/2004 1:02:06 AM PDT by SoDak
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Since when is health care anyone's res[onsibility but yours?

If you're seriously thinking about who to vote for based not on the good of the country but your own pocketbook, you should probably vote for kerry.


sincerely, someone who pays for his OWN health insurance, because it's MY responsibility, not anyone else's


137 posted on 08/12/2004 1:05:09 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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Who do you trust to tell the truth and then follow through on what is the best for America and Americans?

Hard fact is, Kerry froze up during the Cold War ***Many leaders had a hand in Washington's Cold War triumph, but Ronald Reagan's contributions were pivotal, and Kerry opposed every one of them. Reagan's defense buildup disabused Soviet leaders of any hope that they could ultimately come out ahead of the United States. Kerry derided these military expenditures as "bloated" and "without any relevancy to the threat." In particular, Reagan's plan to seek a missile defense system against Soviet ICBMs and NATO's decision to station new missiles in Europe to counteract the new Soviet deployment there rendered futile the Kremlin's vast investment in nuclear supremacy. Instead of these measures, Kerry advocated that we adopt a one-sided "nuclear freeze."

Reagan also showed the Soviets that history was not necessarily on their side by ousting the erratic communist regime in Grenada and arming anti-communist guerrillas to challenge the leftist oligarchs of Nicaragua. Kerry condemned the U.S. action in Grenada as "a bully's show of force," and he opposed our support for guerrillas in Nicaragua as vociferously as anyone in the Senate, even traveling to Managua to try to cut a deal with Sandinista strongman Daniel Ortega to thwart Reagan's policy.

Reagan also put the United States on the ideological offensive when he branded the Soviet Union an "evil empire." But Kerry's harshest words were reserved for our own country, which he accused - during his years as an antiwar leader - of "crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."***

141 posted on 08/12/2004 1:07:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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There can't be any form of free health-care Lepidopteran.

If you did go with some government version, that would be socialism.
The cost of such socialism would be over 20% of every worker's check at least.

Not only that, but if it government controlled, the quality would go to cr@p.

I have lots of doctor friends and they say LAWSUITS are the reason for the higher costs and trial lawyers and their lawsuits need to be reformed and that will get what you would like to have done.

There is no such thing as free or subsidized health-care in Kerry's idea. The big plan is to have the government take it over and to then bill you through your salary for the pleasure of government ruining it.

That is a serious answer to you question.

Have any more detailed questions to ask, do so and I'll answer or go to sources to find answers for you.


157 posted on 08/12/2004 1:13:09 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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I'm a swing voter too, though I haven't pulled a vote for a Democrat since 1976.

Starting & operating a small manufacturing business, creating family supporting jobs, including covering employees' health insurance, even when you can't pay all of your own bills tends to give ya an interesting perspective about things...

That said, if people feel it necessary for government to get into the business of health care, it can be done better at the state level than it can at the federal level.
187 posted on 08/12/2004 1:26:43 AM PDT by GoLightly
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Why is it the governments job to take care of you? If politicians would stay out of private business we would all be better off.


189 posted on 08/12/2004 1:27:11 AM PDT by boxerblues
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Okay. One question: Why should you pay for my health care?


205 posted on 08/12/2004 1:32:26 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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Remember hillarycare? Do you remember what the cost would be?

I remember! It was estimated to be in the range of $700 to $750 per month per worker in the form of taxes. If you and your spouse work, your additional monthly tax burden would be in the neighborhood of $1400 to $1500 per month, annually it is approximately $18000! If you live in a rural area, it would be a little less.

Those cost are just for starters, taxes have a way of going higher as time goes on.

Are you still interested in free government hillarycare?

237 posted on 08/12/2004 1:51:04 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Let's roll" in 2004 ----- Vote GOP!)
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Another DU'er to FreeRepublic. Welcome.

I like to put liberals on the right path, so I'll break it down:

There are three types of health care systems:

1. A consumer-based system where everybody pays as they go
2. A corporatist, employer-provided system we know have
3. a single-payer government provided system

We currently have #2 for the most part, with #3 for seniors. It's a flawed system and actually a historical fluke: companies started paying workers with health care benefits during WWII to get around wage freezes. Employees liked health care, and government noticed, so they started allowing companies to deduct money spent on health care from their taxes. But it's a truly flawed system wherein the consumer does not decide what kind of health care he recives, nor does he have ANY regard for how much healthcare he consumes (he's not paying for it!). Furthermore, "employment mobility" is stifled because people are afraid of losing coverage and big businesses have an unfair advantage over small businesses by (large group plans are cheaper per worker than small plans).

The little devil on the left shoulder, #3, is also driving up costs. Did you know medicare only pays for 90% of the bill? And what do you think the hospital does to pay for the other 90%? Pass it on to non-medicare recipients in the form of $8 aspirins, for example.

You see, both candidates want to move us away from #2. However, Kerry wants to move us towards #3 while President Bush wants to move us towards #1 with his "medical savings accounts".

The president wants to enlarge Medical Savings accounts and down the road reform the corporate tax structure so employers aren't encouraged to give employees health care they really don't need.

Simultaneously eliminating corporate taxes and the welfare that goes along with it (the two are roughly the same amount) while expanding President George W. Bush's Medical Savings Accounts (MSAs) to all Americans would (1) eliminate the tax incentive to "pay people in benefits" (2) allow Americans to save for their own high-deductible health insurance. This would lead to a truly consumer-driven market.
There is very little cost awareness among insured consumers of health care services. If the cost of consuming a good is relatively low, consumers will generally consume more of them! This is especially true if a consumer gains little financially from minimizing their consumption. This is precisely the case in the healthcare industry, and it should be fixed by making American consumers, already cost-conscious in other facets of life, become cost-conscious about healthcare costs. This can only be done by making consumers pick their own healthcare plans.

Vote 4 Dubya!


245 posted on 08/12/2004 1:57:04 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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Here Kitty, Kitty...

256 posted on 08/12/2004 2:17:30 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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THE REAL QUESTION IS WHY WOULD YOU BELEIVE ANYTHING A DAMN LIAR SAYS?!


259 posted on 08/12/2004 2:19:40 AM PDT by AmericaUnited (It's time someone says the emperor has no clothes.)
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There's no one in the country NOW who cannot be treated. Smoke and mirrors on the part of power craving democrat-socialists will be harmful to you and me...and the country. Think of the judiciary--it would be a disaster for our liberties. Think of the taxes--you ain't seen nothing yet. Think of being forced to swallow revisionist history, a secular "theocracy," paying for abortions, paying more for oil--because we don't use out resources, and losing more jobs overseas (can't be competitive with our government in the way), trial lawyers on a new, more vigorous rampage against--well, US, and finally, think of the weak intel and military the democrats give us every time. These people are liars and wrong on every issue.
274 posted on 08/12/2004 2:44:40 AM PDT by BamaAndy (USMC vet against kerry.)
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If you are a "Swing Voter" next time you go to vote - Get rid of the boxers.


275 posted on 08/12/2004 2:45:54 AM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gultch.)
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If you are a "Swing Voter" next time you go to vote - Get rid of the boxers.


277 posted on 08/12/2004 2:47:07 AM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gultch.)
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279 posted on 08/12/2004 2:54:37 AM PDT by backhoe (1990's? Decade of Frauds. 2000's? Decade of Lunatics...)
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The reason health insurance is so high is because of the excessive cost of malpractice insurance resulting from frivolous damage claims won by trial lawyers. Kerry/Edwards is the most pro-trial lawyer ticket in American history.
Edwards himself made millions using junk science to show a supposed link between natural child birth and cerebral palsy.


280 posted on 08/12/2004 3:03:12 AM PDT by SonlitKnight
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