FBI says VVAW disclosed US Military plans (Kerry's Treason)

Winter Soldier ^

[LarkNeelie]

What you've listed may ALL be true but the divulging of info under conditions of torture just CANNOT be used as part of a package list that illustrates McCain's rotten or untrustworthy qualities.

I have to stand by my previous statement.

[OldFriend]

I made no mention of divulging information while being tortured. All the other comments are more than enough for me to consider him an unethical hypocrite.

[LarkNeelie]

I assumed that's what you meant when you said:

McCain acknowledges giving ship locations to the Viet Namese captors in exchange for medical attention.

Did you mean he wasn't actually undergoing torture when he revealed the info? Even so, being left injured and in agony is to me still being tortured and comes under revealing info under severe duress...

Yes, I completely agreed that the other issues (any single one of which is sufficient to render his ethics and motives suspect) make him an untrustworthy unethical hypocrite! Just that I think anything he revealed while trying to survive in POW captivity is off limits to criticism. (Unless he actually collaborated with his captors - which is a whole 'nother can of worms!)

[windchime]

Bump!

[stockpirate]

This is very, very, very old news! My research of the FBI files indicate that leaders of the VVAW met with Soviet Agents in Washington DC while at the same time the VVAW was collecting intell from vets and members.

And Al Hubbard speaks at a meeting about discussing Electronic Battlefield Vietnam with the NV and Soviets and other comuunist country's while in Paris.

[BykrBayb]

Of course it's old news. That's why it was posted in August of last year, as soon as it was released. Do you see an earlier thread about it?

[JLO]

GREAD thread to see resurrected - BUMP!

[Bean Counter]

Figure the odds that John Forbes Kerry, (D. Viet.) will come clean anytime soon.

[BykrBayb]

My calculator only shows 15 digits.

[stand watie]

i'm NOT FONDA HANOI-john!

he makes me GAG!

free dixie,sw

[stockpirate]

If you review some of what I found you will find alot worse than this, but this is pretty bad. And sending it to
Rush or whoever doesn't work, they don't care.

But, it looks like they added alot more sections.

And you did good work finding it, I am kinda burndt out right now.

Getting ready to move to Oklahoma, a red state.

[bitt]

are these the same FBI files we had access to before the election, or are there further released items?

[bitt]

ooops, just noticed that I was pinged to an older thread....I thought there were more juicy, even MORE offensive acts of treason just discovered....

[Bean Counter]

Isn't Jerome Corse going to run against Kerry in the midterms?

He may not win, but I'll bet you he makes Kerry the Traitor's life a living, Media Hell.

[JLO]

"I'll bet you he makes Kerry the Traitor's life a living, Media Hell. "
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That's what I'm thinking, too, LOL!

Here's one thread link of many about his running.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1328206/posts#98

[BykrBayb]

Oooh, I hate moving. What a pain in the butt. When you think you've reached the end of your nerves, just remember that it will be worth it in the end.

[BykrBayb]

And btw - you dug up some really good stuff on kerry. During the campaign, I think I used your links more than any other.

[southland]

ping

[JLO]

GREAD = should have read GREAT, LOL!!

I even spell checked first, because I knew, that I didn't spell resurrected right the first time.

Gread wasn't picked up as misspelled, though, lol.

I probably misspelled resurrected again, in this post! But I'm not spell-checking this one.

[Smartass]

"Hanoi John" was arrested once.   Should happen again...

Kerry Involved in 1971 Anti-war Plot
to Assassinate U.S. Senators?

U.S. Veteran Dispatch
August 8, 2004

Thomas H. Lipscomb, writing for the New York Sun reported March 13, 2004, that in 1971, the pro-Hanoi anti-war group that presidential candidate John Kerry was principal leader and spokesman of debated and voted down a plot to assassinate U.S. Senators who supported the Vietnam War. Numerous media outlets claim witnesses and FBI documents conclusively place Kerry at that November 1971 meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in Kansas City.

The revelation that VVAW debated killing members of Congress is not a new. The plot was reported in Gerald Nicosia's 2001 book, Home To War. Nicosia wrote that one of the key leaders of the organization, former Marine Scott Camil, "proposed the assassination of the most hard-core conservative members of Congress, as well as any other powerful, intractable opponents of the antiwar movement." .

According to the Nicosia book and interviews with VVAW members who were involved, at the VVAW's Kansas City leadership conference, Camil called together eight to 10 former Marines to organize their version "The Phoenix Project." The original Phoenix Project during the Vietnam War was a secret program designed to destroy the Vietnamese Communist leadership by assassination..

Camil's Phoenix Project planned to execute the Southern senatorial leadership Senators like John Stennis, Strom Thurmond, and John Tower who were voting to finance the Vietnam War. The senators were to be killed during the Senate Christmas recess the following month..

Mr. Nicosia's book recounts that Camil's plan was presented to all the chapter coordinators present and the VVAW leadership. "What Camil sketched was so explosive that the coordinators feared lest government agents even hear of it. So they decamped to a church on the outskirts of town with the intention of debating the plan in complete privacy. When they got to the church, however, they found that the government was already on to them; their 'debugging expert' uncovered microphones hidden all over the place. An instantaneous decision was made to move again to Common Ground, a Mennonite hall used by homeless vets as a 'crash pad.'".

Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, said Kerry did not attend the Kansas City meeting, and Kerry biographer Douglas Brinkley said Kerry told him he was a "noshow.".

"Kerry may have resigned shortly after that meeting or at the meeting…" recalled the VVAW Kansas State coordinator at the time of the meeting, John Musgrave, in a March 13, 2004, Kansas City Star interview..

Musgrave, a disabled ex-marine from Baldwin City, Kansas, told the Star that he specifically remembered Kerry's attendance and his speaking against the murder plot..

Musgrave said he got a call from John Hurley, the Kerry campaign's veterans coordinator saying "I'd like you to refresh your memory." Musgrave said Hurley said it twice. "Call that reporter back and say you were mistaken about John Kerry being there.".

Musgrave said, "I told Hurley it was my first meeting as a state officer of the VVAW, and I remember John being there. I remember what I remember.".

Musgrave told Lipscomb that he received three Purple Hearts in Vietnam. After the third Purple Heart for wounds by three 7.62 rounds, one to the jaw and two to the left chest, Musgrave refused the standard release from further service in the combat zone offered Marines with three Purple Hearts and tried to return to his unit, he said. Because of the extent of his injuries he was retired from the Marines with full disability and sent home, he said..

When asked whom he is supporting in the presidential election, Musgrave replied, "I am undecided. But I am sure not voting for some guy who called me a liar." Kerry's camp said the Massachusetts Democrat does not recall the meeting, although FBI surveillance material and the group's archives clearly show that Kerry resigned from his post as VVAW national coordinator at that November 1971 meeting..

Was Kerry obligated to report the VVAW assassination plot to authorities???
Under certain conditions, knowing about such a plot and not reporting it is a crime.