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SEALs & Swift boats (expert declares "Kerry is a liar")
Froggy Ruminations Blog ^ | 8/16/04 | Matthew Heidt

Posted on 08/16/2004 3:11:35 PM PDT by Steven W.

Apparently, the latest version of Kerry's Cambodia Chronicles includes the insertion of Navy SEALs by Swift boat into Cambodia in the early part of 1969. Well, I am a former Navy SEAL that served in the 1990s, my father in law is a former SEAL and he served in the Mekong Delta in Vietnam in 1970. I spoke with him about the likelihood that this story could be correct. My contention was that Swift boats were too large to be routinely used as an insertion platform for SEALs.

SEALs typically used the Medium SEAL Support Craft (MSSC) or the LSSC. My dad's platoon, had one of each assigned. These boats were designed by SEALs and specially built for the Teams to use on clandestine riverine insertions at night of usually no more than 8 operators. Swift boats operated in groups as independent entities, and not as insertion/extraction platforms for small units.

Jim Rassman's ODA was probably on there because SF A teams don't have organic boat assets and were using the Swifties because they had no other means of getting where they needed to go. Also, it is my understanding that the engagement with Kerry getting the Bronze Star took place during the day, which leads me to believe the insertion mission was either a large infantry force led by the SF guys, or a civic action type mission for which SF is well known.

Waterborne infiltrations done illegally into a "neutral" country if performed would be done by small groups of operators (less than 8), at night, in a small tributary, by a boat with a very shallow draft and jacuzzi, not propeller drive. To do otherwise, would be ridiculous.

SEALs also did not trust anyone outside of their immediate peer group. They developed their own intel by snatching high ranking VC out of their beds in the middle of the night. They did not share this info outside the platoon, boat guys, and Seawolves helo crews (close fire support assets). They learned early on that passing intel up the chain was a sure way to be compromised on future operations.

In order to get permission to conduct an illegal incursion into Cambodia by Swift boat the following must occur: 1. Extremely fresh intel of a high value target (think U.S. POW, or VC chieftain). 2. Take that intel outside the group and up to intel at a higher level (risking compromise) in order to obtain boat support from the Swifties to go into Cambodia. That is extremely unlikely to the point of absurdity.

Furthermore, neither myself or my father in law knows anyone who was inserted anywhere by a Swift boat during Vietnam. It just wasn't done. It wasn't something SEALs wanted, and it wasn't something Swifties did.

Bottom Line......Kerry is a liar.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cambodia; christmasncambodia; kerry; kerrylies; liar
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Author was Navy SEAL corpsman for 10 years active duty and 4 years Reserve. Criminal Investigator for U.S. Customs Service (now Homeland Security ICE) for 2 years.
1 posted on 08/16/2004 3:11:36 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.

Hugh's talking about this right now!


2 posted on 08/16/2004 3:15:49 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: Steven W.

This should be good: Jacques and his band of mothers about to smear the SEALS!


3 posted on 08/16/2004 3:17:33 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: Steven W.

Works for me.


4 posted on 08/16/2004 3:17:43 PM PDT by jwalburg (Hatriots for Kerry)
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To: Steven W.

bttt


5 posted on 08/16/2004 3:18:49 PM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (Shut up and sing. I don't care what you think.)
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To: Ed_in_NJ
This should be good: Jacques and his band of mothers about to smear the SEALS!

Time to change the story again.

6 posted on 08/16/2004 3:20:06 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Travis McGee

Ping.


7 posted on 08/16/2004 3:20:06 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: NavySEAL F-16; Steven W.; Brian Mosely; JohnHuang2; socal_parrot; ZGuy; goldstategop; ...

Oh, it's over here!!!


8 posted on 08/16/2004 3:20:15 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Steven W.
Bottom Line......Kerry is a liar.

What?????!!!!!!

9 posted on 08/16/2004 3:21:50 PM PDT by woofie ( It's not an optical illusion. It just looks like one.)
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To: OKSooner
Jim Rassman's ODA was probably on there because SF A teams don't have organic boat assets and were using the Swifties because they had no other means of getting where they needed to

This is where Kerry & Brinkley get into trouble - the SEALs are water units and bring their own tools & toys. The only reason Rasman was on Kerry's boat (not that everybody's gotten onto the same page and admitted that) was because Rasman was Special Forces - NOT SEALS - and didn't have his own boat or other water craft. By changing their story to try and incorporate SEALs and CIA guys not only adds to the tale's absurdity it also diminishes any believability and each iteration they go through means the less scrutiny these series of farces can stand up to!

10 posted on 08/16/2004 3:23:03 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: woofie

But...but....but....He was in Vietnam.


11 posted on 08/16/2004 3:23:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Here, bite down on this.)
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To: Steven W.

http://www.mst2-vietnam.info/
These are the boats he is talking about.
Silent and deadly.
I have a feeling we will hear from former SEALs in the near future. They do not like a phoney like Kerry.


12 posted on 08/16/2004 3:26:01 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (So many questions for Kerry - so few answers from Kerry)
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To: cripplecreek

but....but...but...he was in vietnam AND got a bunch of shiny medals...


13 posted on 08/16/2004 3:26:13 PM PDT by libs_kma
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To: Steven W.

This is what Brinkley told Britain's The Telegraph:

"He said: 'Kerry went into Cambodian waters three or four times in January and February 1969 on clandestine missions. He had a run dropping off US Navy Seals, Green Berets and CIA guys.' The missions were not armed attacks on Cambodia, said Mr Brinkley, who did not include the clandestine missions in his wartime biography of Mr Kerry, Tour of Duty.

'He was a ferry master, a drop-off guy, but it was dangerous as hell. Kerry carries a hat he was given by one CIA operative. In a part of his journals which I didn't use he writes about discussions with CIA guys he was dropping off.'"


14 posted on 08/16/2004 3:26:16 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: Steven W.

"Bottom Line......Kerry is a liar."

Let me save you guys the trouble of waiting for Kerry's response:

Seals? Did I say seals? What I mean to say was Rangers. I delivered Army Rangers to Cambodia. Who is this guy anyway? He must be part of a dirty republican trick.


15 posted on 08/16/2004 3:28:39 PM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://No,www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: ProudVet77

good picture. Kerry's not there nor is any swift boat ROFLMAO


16 posted on 08/16/2004 3:28:55 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Sofa King
Next will be:

Rangers? did I say Rangers? I meant Ranger Rick", friend to the animal world ROFLMAO

17 posted on 08/16/2004 3:31:18 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.
... and "liar" isn't all this wretched scumbag is, either:


18 posted on 08/16/2004 3:31:41 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I'd totally forgotten Kerry was aligned with CISPES in his determined efforts to turn central america over to the communists.

Of course LaVey is head of the Satanic church here in the US and another big supporter of CISPES in the 80's

19 posted on 08/16/2004 3:35:10 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

LOL!

I love that pic.


(You do know it's fake right?)


20 posted on 08/16/2004 3:36:36 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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