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Once More a Nation Divided (Hackworth's Support of Kerry Explained)
Military.com ^ | 8-16-04 | Col. david Hackworth

Posted on 08/18/2004 12:55:19 PM PDT by Littlejon

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To: big'ol_freeper
I remember when FR had a whole contingent of Hackworth groupies and if you spoke out against him you were thoroughly attacked. I would post on every Hackworth thread that the guy was a phoney. In the last year they have disappeared and I certainly feel vindicated.

I used to like Hackworth. He was on a lot during the Kosovo aggression. I liked listening to him, and I thought he was a cool guy, but then I also used to like Ross Perot.

But since Hackworth came out against the Iraq war, I haven't felt the same about him. It certainly wasn't the position I expected him to take. But like all celebrities, he's doing the Jerry Springer: Find out how you can get the most attention, and you will make the most money. This is his schtick now. He's just trying to extend his minutes of fame. I really don't want to help him any by commenting, because this thread is an extension of his fame. The more we talk about him, the better it is for him.

Anyway, I am certainly glad that I never was on the Hackworth Cheerleading Squad.

61 posted on 08/18/2004 1:49:39 PM PDT by webheart
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To: webheart
I was never on his cheer leading squad by a long shot, but i respected his opinion. After I read his article today, and i seen how he spit on 254 honorable vets I'd kick him in the balls in an instant!
62 posted on 08/18/2004 1:54:41 PM PDT by Sgt. Pile E-6
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To: Destro
It is not that Bush joined the Air National Guard but that his enemies say he was bumped ahead in line to get the open position through his father's influence.

Influence, schminfluence. If he did, then what the heck? Why shouldn't a father's influence be a help to someone? His father was also sticking his neck out for the boy. I know my dad had little influence, but he also had a lot less to lose. And another thing: His father's influence had just a little effect on me voting for him. So he got the position of President through his father's influence, too.

63 posted on 08/18/2004 1:56:00 PM PDT by webheart
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To: Littlejon
Last time I checked most Swiftvets were gee ahhh...VETS!!!
I prefer not to stand with one whose record in the past is as misleading as the one in the present...that is when he was in attendance to be able to produce a record...or suffering from wafflyitus.

Johnny, Johnny, Johnny...You are scared. Your own internals are revealing the TRUTH in the polls. Go ahead, change your staff, bring in help, it won't make a difference. The truth is coming for you...you are a fraud Johnny.
The focus on your record in Nam is important, remember Hon Chong, because it is the faulty foundation on which you have constructed your political life. The American people will see that your proclivity in failing to attend meetings, cast votes and honestly perform your duties as a sailor, elected official and honorable human being has a direct correlation to the undeniable fact that you are NOT qualified to be president of the United States.
Johnny, You are DISHONEST and DISHONORABLE!!!
You never did any work for the agency. You are a disgrace to true patriots everywhere.
Good Bye, Johnny
64 posted on 08/18/2004 1:56:40 PM PDT by popparollo (I am your conscience, Johnny...)
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To: gilliam

My tour at Tuy Hoa AFB RVN saw several Air Guard squadrons of F-100 aicraft flown & maintained by guardsmen from Niagra Falls, New York and units from New Mexico.I worked along side these fine airmen. Hackworth is a POS. He slanders all Vetnam vets if he takes Kerry's postion.


65 posted on 08/18/2004 1:58:58 PM PDT by afnamvet (USAF Tuy Hoa AFB RVN 68-69 NOT FONDA KERRY!)
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To: webheart

Thankyou for the education. Thats the most plausible explanation about the man, I've ever heard. Makes total sense.


66 posted on 08/18/2004 2:05:53 PM PDT by Atlanta ( Be the hammer or the anvil...)
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To: webheart
Influence, schminfluence. If he did, then what the heck? Why shouldn't a father's influence be a help to someone?

Well that's an ... interesting take on it. I'm sure those without influential fathers agree with you. Perhaps next time around they'll be born into the "right" family.
67 posted on 08/18/2004 2:17:07 PM PDT by lelio
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To: Cold Heat
O'Neil has addressed this issue and had no connections with the Nixon White House. He is not a republican.

Do you have a source for that? I want to see where he denies involvement with anyone in the Nixon administration.
68 posted on 08/18/2004 2:18:52 PM PDT by lelio
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To: Littlejon
Witness the barrages being fired by Viet vets on the right and the left: "

I guess voting for Al Gore puts one on the right? Face it Hack, the SwiftVets are not all republicans, nor all democrats. As their name indicates, they just want the truth about John Kerry to come out. Kerry is the one who made an issue of his service. The lies he told PO'd a bunch of his former comrades, and so they want to set the record staight. That doesn't even say anything about how they individually felt about the Vietnam war. Just how they feel about the individual, John Kerry.

69 posted on 08/18/2004 2:31:46 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Texas Eagle

President Bush flew a dangerous F-102 on immediate callup in the Cold War and volunteered for Nam duty. Thats true Courage and now he is demonstrating His Courage and Leadership as a Heroic Commander-In-Chief. Every National Guard Veteran has earned Our Total Respect.
The other candidate has vetted a diatribe of Monday Morning Quarterback, and literally supported both sides of EVERY Issue so far at one time or another. The Swiftee's who tried to command him are doing Our Nation a Great Service stepping forward to illuminate the Real Character thirty five years ago. God Bless Our Country and Our Great President George W. Bush!!!


70 posted on 08/18/2004 2:35:07 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot
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To: gilliam
He was transferred back to COSDIV 11 and took over the 94 boat about 29 Jan 69 and was relieved on 13 Mar 69

That's something I've been wondering about. That is if the transfer from the -44 to the -94 also involved a transfer accross unit lines, which you've just indicated that it did,

Of course what I'm thinking is that JFK was "volunteered" by the CO of COSDIV 13 to get rid of him. Don't know that of course, but given Kerry's fitness reports, I wouldn't be suprised. It could also be that the transfer was seen as "giving him another chance" after a "bad relationship" with the previous CO.

71 posted on 08/18/2004 2:36:54 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: True Republican Patriot
President Bush flew a dangerous F-102 on immediate callup in the Cold War and volunteered for Nam duty.

Not that I don't believe you but can you provide a source for this info. I have regular correspondence with a demented left-wing wacko Liberal (excuse the redundancy) and I would love to lay a trap for him. Or her. Or it.

72 posted on 08/18/2004 2:38:10 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: Littlejon
The stalwart Brown Water Navy warriors who fought at Kerry's side say he was A-OK, which is good enough for me. The muckrakers such as John O'Neill and his Swiftboat snipers

Didn't O'Neil take over the -94 boat after JFK didi-bopped out of there? Seems that would make him a Brown Water Navy warrior as well, would it not.

What little respect I had left for Hack, is now gone. That's makes me sad, because at one time I had a lot of it.

73 posted on 08/18/2004 2:40:49 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: lelio
No, I have seen him deny these charges at least twice in interviews. I try to see each and every one of them.

The info you posted comes from the Nixon tapes. It indicates that Nixon and associates had conversations regarding Kerry, his apparent communist sympathizer activities and involvement with VVAW.

At the time, and since, O'Neil was the only one with any balls to come out against Kerry when all of us were trying to blend into the woodwork and forget Vietnam. (I too was one of those)

I vividly recall having almost covert veterans meetings on my college campus where we quietly spoke with each other about the issue and tried not to bring attention to ourselves for fear of reprisals from the anti-war crowd who often lost all sense of decency and respect with vets.

Thank God for Reagan who finally gave us back our pride.

O'Neil got their attention, but they did not and could not use him politically. He would have none of that from the very beginning. O'Neil said this was a personal issue at the start and has never wavered from that. I see it as a personal issue also.

The only people who see this as political are the Kerry supporters who automatically label everything as a political attack.

This is a personal attack.

Very personal!

74 posted on 08/18/2004 2:42:06 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: Texas Eagle

see:

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml


75 posted on 08/18/2004 2:49:04 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: El Gato

yes on all counts.


76 posted on 08/18/2004 2:49:55 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: Texas Eagle
There is some news stories about this somewhere, I will send you a link is I have them.

Bush failed a med exam regarding his teeth or some such thing that put him on hold when he made the attempt.

A bit later on, pilots were not a critical assett and were beginning to get ROF'd. He missed the opportunity window and decided to finish up his remaining service and then work for the political campaign.

He was likely petty bored at the time, I sure would have been. There is documentation on this somewhere. I will see if I can find what I have.

77 posted on 08/18/2004 2:53:17 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: Cold Heat
Thanks for the assist. See post #75.

gilliam posted a link but if you have a different source that would be fine. I look forward to dog-piling on this guy.

78 posted on 08/18/2004 2:56:13 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: Littlejon
Next time someone says Kerry deserves the Silver Star because the Navy says so, show them this
79 posted on 08/18/2004 2:57:48 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Littlejon

And I wonder if Hackworth in hindsight might wish there were those who questioned LBJ's Silver Star a little bit.


80 posted on 08/18/2004 2:58:44 PM PDT by Tribune7
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