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Records Counter a Critic of Kerry
Washington Post ^ | 8/19/04 | Michael Dobbs

Posted on 08/18/2004 8:24:34 PM PDT by Callahan

Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own version of events.

In newspaper interviews and a best-selling book, Larry Thurlow, who commanded a Navy Swift boat alongside Kerry in Vietnam, has strongly disputed Kerry's claim that the Massachusetts Democrat's boat came under fire during a mission in Viet Cong-controlled territory on March 13, 1969. Kerry won a Bronze Star for his actions that day.

But Thurlow's military records, portions of which were released yesterday to The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act, contain several references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" directed at "all units" of the five-boat flotilla. Thurlow won his own Bronze Star that day, and the citation praises him for providing assistance to a damaged Swift boat "despite enemy bullets flying about him."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: foia; kerry; larrythurlow; michaeldobbs; militaryrecord; swiftboatveterans; swiftboatvets; thurlow; wp
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To: Callahan

How do you know he lied. Unless he wrote the after action report, nothing he has said about the events that day is contridicted here. If Kerry wrote the after action report, and said they were fired on, but no one else remembers them being fired at, than either Kerry remembers something they don't, or Kerry lied.


21 posted on 08/18/2004 8:33:36 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Lawgvr1955
I haven't followed the MSM coverage closely. Is this the biggest headline the Washington Post has come out with? Because I think it is definitely proof of bias when an unfavorable expose is decidedly framed by mitigating information.
22 posted on 08/18/2004 8:33:39 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Callahan
Well, it didn't take long to get this military record out, but greater than a year into the presidential campaign Kerry still won't release his.

Oh, and I question the timing of this.

23 posted on 08/18/2004 8:34:07 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Numbers Guy

Has Kerry's after action report been released? If not why not?


24 posted on 08/18/2004 8:34:08 PM PDT by Texasforever (God can send you to hell but he can't sue you. He can't find a lawyer.)
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To: Steven W.

The military susally reads the citation to you when they present the medal to you.


25 posted on 08/18/2004 8:34:20 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider ((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!))
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To: Callahan

Paragraph after paragraph from the Wash ComPost in the effort to denigrate Thurlow but nary an objective comment about sKerry nor mention of the many other Swifties and their allegations.

The attack on the messengers continue while the bad guy gets to keep riding on his horse.

Prairie


26 posted on 08/18/2004 8:34:44 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (John Kerry's new theme song: "Ohh-ho, yes! I'm the Great Pretender...ooh,ooh")
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To: Callahan

Worst case, for the record, let's throw out that one allegation against Kerry.

How are they going to disprove the other several dozen?


27 posted on 08/18/2004 8:35:09 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: Callahan
"Would he see the citation before hand? Who writes it?"

No, and it depends.

28 posted on 08/18/2004 8:35:39 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Callahan

The record is of Thurlow's Silver Star citation. Unlike Kerry, Thurlow did not author his own document. He still contends that the reference to small arms fire originated from Kerry.


29 posted on 08/18/2004 8:35:43 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: spycatcher

Who wrote the citation??? I have a feeling that the WaPo ever decides to go after Kerry's records and not just his critics, we'll find that he was acting as his own hagiographer. I'll hang on for more. The last time the Swifties took a hit from the Boston Globe, there was more to it.


30 posted on 08/18/2004 8:35:52 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: ImaTexan

ping


31 posted on 08/18/2004 8:35:57 PM PDT by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

These poor military guys are getting beat up, just because they want to do the right thing.


32 posted on 08/18/2004 8:36:12 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider ((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!))
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To: Callahan
Kerry's claim that the Massachusetts Democrat's boat came under fire during a mission in Viet Cong-controlled territory on March 13, 1969

I thought the Swifties were mainly disputing the first Purple Heart, from Dec. 2, 1968, which Kerry got for supposedly getting a shard of his own M-79 casing in his arm.

Until I read the fricking Unfit for Command book, I will continue to be confused.

WHERE can I buy a book? The local stores don't have it, and I'm not sure how long it will take Amazon to ship via mail.

33 posted on 08/18/2004 8:36:43 PM PDT by Edit35
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To: Rokke
So I guess the Washington Post supports this then:

Judicial Watch Calls For Investigation Into Kerry’s Medals, Anti-War Actions

34 posted on 08/18/2004 8:37:03 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: Callahan

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the first story the Post has done about this whole affair? Speaks rather ill of them, it seems to me...


35 posted on 08/18/2004 8:37:05 PM PDT by ArcLight
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To: NutCrackerBoy

The MSM's whole response seems to attack the word of the Swiftees for Truth and give Kerry a pass. Business as usual.


36 posted on 08/18/2004 8:37:16 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (Kerry: Gruber from McHale's Navy TV - Always after a Purple Heart)
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To: FairOpinion

Kerry is protected from FOIA by FFIA.


37 posted on 08/18/2004 8:37:29 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: Interesting Times

ping


38 posted on 08/18/2004 8:37:32 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (John Kerry's new theme song: "Ohh-ho, yes! I'm the Great Pretender...ooh,ooh")
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To: Callahan
Yeah...but you know what...

The media just confirmed that these guys served with Kerry. Shot down one of the Kerry campaign's objections, and they didn't even realize it!!!

39 posted on 08/18/2004 8:37:59 PM PDT by Fredgoblu
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To: Callahan
Thurlow said he would consider his award "fraudulent" if coming under enemy fire was the basis for it. "I am here to state that we weren't under fire," he said. He speculated that Kerry could have been the source of at least some of the language used in the citation.

In a telephone interview Tuesday evening after he attended a Swift Boat Veterans strategy session in an Arlington hotel, Thurlow said he lost his Bronze Star citation more than 20 years ago. He said he was unwilling to authorize release of his military records because he feared attempts by the Kerry campaign to discredit him and other anti-Kerry veterans.

The Post filed an independent request for the documents with the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, which is the central repository for veterans' records. The documents were faxed to The Post by officials at the records center yesterday.

Thurlow and other anti-Kerry veterans have repeatedly alleged that Kerry was the author of an after-action report that described how his boat came under enemy fire. Kerry campaign researchers dispute that assertion, and there is no convincing documentary evidence to settle the argument. As the senior skipper in the flotilla, Thurlow might have been expected to write the after-action report for March 13, but he said that Kerry routinely "duked the system" to present his version of events.

For much of the episode, Kerry was not in a position to know firsthand what was happening on Thurlow's boat, as Kerry's boat had sped down the river after the mine exploded under another boat. He later returned to provide assistance to the stricken boat.

Ok, if they can get this guys records without his permission, why can't they get Kerry's? And I wouldn't be too surprised if Kerry was involved in getting the 'under small arms fire' added to the report.

40 posted on 08/18/2004 8:38:02 PM PDT by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)
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