Immigrants Face Loss of Licenses in ID Crackdown

NY Times ^ | 8/18/04 | Nina Bernstein

[GarySpFc]

Thank you. This just goes to prove that even though One-Ler is unconvicted, he is a criminal at heart.

[Once-Ler]

Fascinating. Now do you have anything about employing illegals? Please don't come back with subsection "1324(a)(2)(B)(i), offenses done for commercial advantage or private financial gain," because that subsection deals with 8 U.S.C which aplies to alien smuggling.

[judgeandjury]

Yes hiring an illegal carries a fine but no jailtime...just like not wearing a seatbelt.

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

[JackelopeBreeder]

I think you need to look at the remainder of 8 U.S.C. Then ask what happens if some ambitious federal prosecutor knocks the dust off RICO...

The tide is turning. Here in Arizona there are a number of anti-illegal alien bills pending, as well as Prop 200 which makes Cali's Prop 187 look tame. A year from now, getting caught employing illegals in Arizona could result in state charges if the feddies don't have the balls.

[Once-Ler]

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

They are not felonies, no where in that section does it call them felonies. Try again.

[JackelopeBreeder]

I should have pinged you to this immediately, Your Honor.

[JackelopeBreeder]

Yeah, right. Anything with more than a year's jail time is a felony.

[Once-Ler]

Yeah, right. Anything with more than a year's jail time is a felony.

That is the legal definition. Words have meaning. The word felony has a meaning. If we played by your rules we could call manslaughter "murder," shoplifting "racketeering, and JackalopeBreeder "intelligent."

[Once-Ler]

The tide is turning.

And that is why BOTH parties are ignoring you and your ilk. Were all stupid and your smart...except for that "knowing what a felony is" thing, and then after being shown the truth...denying it.

[JackelopeBreeder]

Go to a big library that might have a super-sized thesaurus. Look up the word "mellow", then look down at the bottom of the entry where antonyms are listed. My picture will be there leering back at you.

Did you ever wonder why I have a problem with illegals? Here's the least of my reasons.

My home has been turned into the world's largest open-air dumpster and porta-potty. Multiply that picture by several hundred times and be glad HTML does not include a smell command.

Try to forget that close to 2 million illegals pass through this county every year, leaving theft and destruction in their wake. Forget about my friends and neighbor who have been assaulted or car-jacked. Forget that what used to be a typical rural household now resembles Stalag-17, complete with concertina, floodlights, and very large dogs whose lifespans end up very short if they do their jobs.

After all, everyone else gets cheap lettuce, lawn care, and maid service courtesy of the new slave class.

Now if you will excuse me, I'm working on an animatronix version of a chupacabra. I don't want my uninvited guests to have a dull trip.

[Once-Ler]

My home has been turned into the world's largest open-air dumpster and porta-potty. Multiply that picture by several hundred times and be glad HTML does not include a smell command.

...Forget that what used to be a typical rural household now resembles Stalag-17, complete with concertina, floodlights, and very large dogs whose lifespans end up very short if they do their jobs.

I live in a nice home. It is in a safe community. My dog is fat.

You have shown a willingness to distort the truth, so I don't believe a word you wrote, but it sure is funny. I assumed you lived in a trailer home but this is soo much better. If what you wrote is true I suggest you move. In the mean time...turn off the computer, get outside, and protect your dog.

[Hagidah]

What most people don't understand is that immigrants are people who 99.9% of the time are here because they have a family to take care of or they want a better future for themselves. Don't you think that if Mexico had a lot of job opportunities and the U.S. didn't, there'd be a bunch of americans there also? Everybody is alike, we all just want a good place to live.