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How were children educated before public schools?

Posted on 08/20/2004 7:44:54 AM PDT by DeathTaxesNoles

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To: headsonpikes
There is no time in the public schools to teach the history you outline. Instead, they prepare the children for life under a socialist regime. If a child can read, he can read the Declaration of Independence without the 'guidance' of NEA capos. YOU may trust all authorities, but most folks here are a little more sceptical of government motives than you. Everybody, actually.

Sure, there is plenty of time and I don't trust all authorities. It is the responsibility of citizens to make sure that the authorities are performing their duties.

61 posted on 08/20/2004 11:07:36 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: headsonpikes
but most folks here are a little more sceptical of government motives than you. Everybody, actually.

Nice attempt but your motive is clear. Well documented in Socialist Russia's accounts is how 'the enemy' is demonized by attempts at separating him from the others by attacking his credibility. Part of 'how to win the propaganda war'. Of course, whether the attack has any basis in truth doesn't matter. If you tell a lie long enough, the lie will become the truth.

62 posted on 08/20/2004 11:11:02 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: headsonpikes
Is your school superintended an elected official? If so, what have YOU done to improve the situation in the public schools? Do you monitor the courses? Do you talk to the superintendent? Do you work to elect the person that will best pursue your interests?

Or do you sit in front of your keyboard and just rant?

63 posted on 08/20/2004 11:13:17 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
If you tell a lie long enough, the lie will become the truth.

That is obviously what you authoritarians are counting on!

LOL! Give it up, sparky - stop defending the indefensible.

64 posted on 08/20/2004 11:16:25 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: DeathTaxesNoles
How were children educated before public schools?

Very often they weren't. The public schools have lots of problems but the spread of basic education is probably vastly better than it was a hundred years ago.

65 posted on 08/20/2004 11:16:45 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: cinFLA

There is no 'changing the system' by 'dialoguing' with educrats.

Root and branch it must be delegitimized.

KIDS! Disrespect wrongful authority!


66 posted on 08/20/2004 11:18:20 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: cinFLA

The history course when I was in school was both repetitive and boring. Every year I remember starting with the Indians and Columbus discovering America. By the time we got around to the Civil War and things would get interesting, the school year was over. The next year we would start with the Indians and Columbus all over again. It wasn't until my junior year of high school that we got any further. Most of the interesting facts and stories of history I learned by reading on the subject for myself.


67 posted on 08/20/2004 11:18:45 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Kenton
It was publicly-supported education that made America literate

America was a highly literate nation long before the advent of public education.

I would assume today that if we eliminated public education today that all parents who truly cared about their children would take responsibility for their education. Why should I have to take responsibility for any else's?

68 posted on 08/20/2004 11:19:02 AM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: headsonpikes
There is no 'changing the system' by 'dialoguing' with educrats.

I take it then, that the answers to my questions are NO, NO, NO and YES.

NO, NO, NO to taking any steps to improve the system.

YES that the only thing you do is to sit in front of your keyboard and rant.

69 posted on 08/20/2004 11:20:47 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Truthsayer20

The quality of an eighth grade education in 1900 far surpassed a typical high school education of today. A high school diploma of 60 years ago surpassed what one receives upon complete of a four year college program.


70 posted on 08/20/2004 11:23:34 AM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: labard1
The early rationale for public schools was to educate good little citizens and to teach American values. When the US public schools ceased to do that (which they have) that rationale ended.

The rationale() does not end because the system is not satisfying those objectives.

For example, let us assume that the rationale for exercise is to be fit and healthy. You do not exercise and become an unfit slob. Does the original rationale become false? No.

71 posted on 08/20/2004 11:24:09 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: DeathTaxesNoles

Even when there were public schools before, they were community based, a small town would build up around an immigrant group which established their own school, brought in a teacher. Or they would be associated with a church. The federal government wasn't involved.


72 posted on 08/20/2004 11:24:48 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: cinFLA

If I wanted to answer your questions directly, I would have done so.

I reject utterly the premises of your queries, however.

P.S. Re ranting - Hello, Mr. Pot!

(I just love having the opportunity to address you thusly!)

Don't be such a crank. ;^)


73 posted on 08/20/2004 11:26:01 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
I would assume today that if we eliminated public education today that all parents who truly cared about their children would take responsibility for their education. Why should I have to take responsibility for any else's?

Because, communist revolutions are very popular among uneducated, unemployed dead-enders.

Because, if we don't educate the members of our society other countries that do (such as China) will eat us alive.

Because, a democracy cannot survive if its citizens are incapable of participating in the body politic.

74 posted on 08/20/2004 11:30:39 AM PDT by Modernman (Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.)
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
I would assume today that if we eliminated public education today that all parents who truly cared about their children would take responsibility for their education.

Yes -- there are many alternatives. They can choose a private school they can afford, they can homeschool, they can form cooperatives of homeschoolers where teaching is shared. They can hire tutors, or any combination of these.

75 posted on 08/20/2004 11:31:08 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Wonder Warthog

http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.htm

It is a real test, but they make good points in the paragraph further below starting with "Consider:".


76 posted on 08/20/2004 11:32:21 AM PDT by Nataku X
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
I would assume today that if we eliminated public education today that all parents who truly cared about their children would take responsibility for their education

Making assumptions can be misleading, because we assume that predictable behavior is centered around ourselves and those with similar values. I would imagine that those that could provide their kid with a private education, would. Of course, there might be a few left over, like those whose parents weren't educated, and those who couldn't because of circumstances beyond their control, and of course, those who just don't "truly care" about their children. At any rate, that could be a lot of kids. It'd be a bad thiing for America to abandon them, so what do you suggest?

Why should I have to take responsibility for any else's?

I didn't say you should. But the fact is that if you go back to the days before public education, literacy was a luxury that was not extended to many, many Americans. And if public education went away, there are many segments of society that would be left out of an education. And once again, that would be a bad thing for America, IMHO.

77 posted on 08/20/2004 11:36:04 AM PDT by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
The quality of an eighth grade education in 1900 far surpassed a typical high school education of today.

Really?

78 posted on 08/20/2004 11:38:47 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Phantom Lord
No one wants to elminate public schools. What concerned people and parents want is greater options in educational opportunities and choices for their children.

One does not increase options by mandating one choice (education), limiting the options within that choice (no public money for private institutions, etc), and mandating a significant proportion of the overall curriculum.

(Note: I'm not against education, I'm against requiring it. I want everyone to want to learn, but one does not foster that love of learning by using legislative force and threats. Remove the compulsory nature of the system, and at least 50% of the bigget probelms go away immediately. Sadly, half of the nation would oppose it, simply because they don't want to lose out on their free daycare.)

79 posted on 08/20/2004 11:40:37 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Phantom Lord
No one wants to elminate public schools. What concerned people and parents want is greater options in educational opportunities and choices for their children.

One does not increase options by mandating one choice (education), limiting the options within that choice (no public money for private institutions, etc), and mandating a significant proportion of the overall curriculum.

(Note: I'm not against education, I'm against requiring it. I want everyone to want to learn, but one does not foster that love of learning by using legislative force and threats. Remove the compulsory nature of the system, and at least 50% of the bigget problems go away immediately. Sadly, half of the nation would oppose it, simply because they don't want to lose out on their free daycare.)

80 posted on 08/20/2004 11:40:48 AM PDT by Teacher317
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