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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 21 August 22, 2004
Various big media television networks ^ | 22 August 2004 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 08/22/2004 4:40:50 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

The Talk Shows



Sunday, August 21st, 2004

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Van O'Dell of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Sen. George Allen, R-Va.; Sen. Jon Corzine, D-N.J.; Kerry campaign adviser Tad Devine; Bush campaign manager Ken Mehlman.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan; Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich.; Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's daughters, Vanessa and Alexandra.

THIS WEEK (ABC): Former Clinton chief of staff John Podesta; John O'Neill of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth; Kerry economic adviser Gene Sperling; Rep. Rob Portman, R-Ohio.

LATE EDITION (CNN) : David Kay, former chief U.N. weapons inspector; former Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kan.; Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla.; Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn.; Rep. Christopher Cox, R-Calif.; Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif.; Democratic strategist Donna Brazile; Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas; Rend al-Rahim Francke, chief of Iraq's diplomatic mission in Washington.


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1 posted on 08/22/2004 4:40:50 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

I'm not 100% sure about Face the Nation. Thne Kerry daughters were on last week. If this is accurate, Bob "Purple-Faced Rage" Scheiifer has had them on twice in as many weeks! C-BIAS-S!


2 posted on 08/22/2004 4:42:27 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!
Well I know which show I will be watching and what JFKerry will not be.. He will be watching his "reenactment" movies to keep his record straight....
3 posted on 08/22/2004 4:42:47 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Alas Babylon!

"Meet the Press" may have a different time slot in some places, due to Olympic coverage. Interested viewers should check their local listings.

(Doesn't that sound professional?)


4 posted on 08/22/2004 4:44:09 AM PDT by EllaMinnow (swimming through the blogosphere)
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To: Alas Babylon!
LOL...Kerry's sending out his *lovely* daughters to do his whining.

Special note...no Hair Plugs listed above.

5 posted on 08/22/2004 4:45:23 AM PDT by mystery-ak (The most dangerous place in the world...between Moore and Ronstadt in the buffet line!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Wow, a swifty on a network other than Fox. I sense traction.


6 posted on 08/22/2004 4:48:55 AM PDT by Pusterfuss (What is this space for?)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Van O'Dell, and John O'Neill.

Is that a breeze I feel?

It seems we may be about to move this ship out of the doldrums of Sargasso Sea.

Thanks for the post Alas!

7 posted on 08/22/2004 4:49:09 AM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
It is interesting that Kerry sends his surrogates out to fight the Swift Boat vets. Kerry hasn't subjected himself to being questioned.

It is interesting that the new guy, Rood, is hiding behind his managing editor. Rood supposedly didn't want to come forward but had to in order to set the truth straight. Last evening on Obermann (MSNBC), Rood's managing editor, not Rood, was mouth-piecing for Rood.

If Kerry wants to clear up the whole issue, Kerry needs to be the one answering the questions, not his surrogates.

Kerry and Campaign have released nearly a dozen versions of the Christmas in Cambodia story. Kerry has told and retold the C in C story some 50 times in the last 30 years. Now, Kerry's mouthpieces are parsing and defending (but none of them were on the boat with Kerry).

By Kerry's whine and Kerry's surrogates' whines, they have brought the story to the front pages [snicker]. That could be a strategic mistake. When will the Muskie meltdown moment occur?
8 posted on 08/22/2004 4:51:21 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Thank God for Swiftboats vets speaking out and we don't have to hear about how kerry is a "hero' by all the press.


9 posted on 08/22/2004 4:54:46 AM PDT by not-alone
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To: TomGuy
When will the Muskie meltdown moment occur?

I think it will be soon after the Convention. It'll be fun to watch, in a train-wreck kind of way.

10 posted on 08/22/2004 4:55:28 AM PDT by Pusterfuss (What is this space for?)
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To: mystery-ak
I wonder what they will be wearing this morning??


11 posted on 08/22/2004 4:57:47 AM PDT by visagoth (If you think education is expensive - try ignorance)
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To: TomGuy

If the spin comes up that the democrats don't have connections to MoveOn.org, don't forget to send them this little tidbit:

DNC Chief Operating Officer Josh Wachs (left), Senator Leahy, and Zack Exley from Moveon.org pose with the more than 310,000 signatures.


http://www.democrats.org/blog/display/00010183.html


And this:

"Nov 13, 2003
The DNC is also conducting a major petition drive in partnership with MoveOn.org. More than 310,000 Americans have signed the petition to protect our courts — with more than 172,000 of those signatures coming in the past 36 hours. The petition calls on Bush and the Republicans to stop nominating judges that are out of step with mainstream Americans and praising the Democrats for standing up for their rights."

http://www.democrats.org/news/200311140002.html


12 posted on 08/22/2004 5:00:08 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: visagoth

What have Kerry's daughters got to offer other than, Our daddy is a Vietnam hero and those mean Swiftboat Vets are picking on him?


13 posted on 08/22/2004 5:00:55 AM PDT by Carolinamom (Guilty as charged, Your Honor; I DID contribute to the Swiftboat vets campaign ads.)
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To: visagoth

Watch it!..I haven't finished my first cup of coffee yet.


14 posted on 08/22/2004 5:01:26 AM PDT by mystery-ak (The most dangerous place in the world...between Moore and Ronstadt in the buffet line!)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Where is Hillary?
Where is Bill?
Where is Ted?
Where is McCain?
Where is Edwards?
Where is ANY senator to comment on either Kerry or the Swiftboat ads?
15 posted on 08/22/2004 5:05:38 AM PDT by Carolinamom (Guilty as charged, Your Honor; I DID contribute to the Swiftboat vets campaign ads.)
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To: TomGuy

Regarding Rood, isn't it interesting that this guy is the only former "eyewitness" Kerry could coerce to come forward at this critical time. But only in writing, not personally! And what's his expertise? The Sampan incident! Not the most critical of charges brought up by the Swifties.

Rassman would have been the logical guest to counter the SBVT today. Or John McCain. Or Bob Kerrey, the new defender of the war hero. Looks as though team Kerry didn't coerce "strongly" enough.


16 posted on 08/22/2004 5:05:48 AM PDT by GoodGrief
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To: G.Mason; All
Why did it take 3 weeks to get the MSM to let the Swiftboat Vets into the newspapers and on the tube? That's how long it took to develop a coordinated counter-offensive between the Kerry campaign, the MSM and the 527's to be developed and focus-grouped. The first time the NYT recognized the Swifties existense was to attack them as Republican mud-slingers.
If you believe it took only 4 days to create and get the moveon.org anti-Swiftie ad on tv, I've got a gold mine in NJ I'd like to sell you.
The Vets will not be presented as "sympathetic" figures, they will be attacked personally, not on the merits of their service or the accuracy of their information. This is the second time around these guys to be hung out to dry.
I find it extremely interesting, John Kerry is referred to as a "war hero" for 4 months of service in Vietnam, yet the 260 +/- vets who served longer are being portrayed as crackpots, right-wing lunatics, Republican shills, etc., etc,.
17 posted on 08/22/2004 5:06:00 AM PDT by olde north church
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To: G.Mason; All
Why did it take 3 weeks to get the MSM to let the Swiftboat Vets into the newspapers and on the tube? That's how long it took to develop a coordinated counter-offensive between the Kerry campaign, the MSM and the 527's to be developed and focus-grouped. The first time the NYT recognized the Swifties existense was to attack them as Republican mud-slingers.
If you believe it took only 4 days to create and get the moveon.org anti-Swiftie ad on tv, I've got a gold mine in NJ I'd like to sell you.
The Vets will not be presented as "sympathetic" figures, they will be attacked personally, not on the merits of their service or the accuracy of their information. This is the second time around these guys to be hung out to dry.
I find it extremely interesting, John Kerry is referred to as a "war hero" for 4 months of service in Vietnam, yet the 260 +/- vets who served longer are being portrayed as crackpots, right-wing lunatics, Republican shills, etc., etc,.
18 posted on 08/22/2004 5:07:48 AM PDT by olde north church
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To: olde north church

The MSM barely reported on this story UNTIL a few people stepped forward to defend Kerry.

Kerry has had every opportunity to defend himself against the charges made by the Swift Boat vets but hasn't. Because he can't. So instead he will attack the messengers. Then the timing.


19 posted on 08/22/2004 5:08:09 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

DNC and MoveOn.org are linked?

I am shocked.

lol.

On Fox and Friends, they are reading emails and taking phone calls. The commentaries are running at least 2 to 1 that the SwiftBoat ads are free speech. Many are saying that Kerry didn't denounce the MoveOn ads or Moore movie.

Even Phillips had to read one email denouncing the Dem position (that left a bad taste in his mouth, I'm sure).


20 posted on 08/22/2004 5:08:53 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: Peach

If a man...especially a veteran...can't defend HIMSELF from facts, how in h*ll can he defend a nation against terrorists who want to KILL us?


21 posted on 08/22/2004 5:09:49 AM PDT by Carolinamom (Guilty as charged, Your Honor; I DID contribute to the Swiftboat vets campaign ads.)
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To: TomGuy

It's amazing that the NYT and others make "connections" between the men who contributed $$ to the Swift Boat vets and Bush because they are Republicans and know the president.

Since when is it unusual for conservatives to give funding to groups who are opposed to the Democrats? Is that the left's new tactics?

The links between MoveOn.org and the DNC are clear and direct links. And yet the MSM won't report on them.


22 posted on 08/22/2004 5:11:42 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: TomGuy

Is anybody sure that Phillips and Juan Williams are not clones? I'm waiting for my Sunday morning "fix" of Brit's slamming Juan, "You're WRONG...AGAIN!"


23 posted on 08/22/2004 5:12:39 AM PDT by Carolinamom (Guilty as charged, Your Honor; I DID contribute to the Swiftboat vets campaign ads.)
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To: GoodGrief

Bob Kerrey has his own cloud of suspicion to deal with:

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j042701.html


24 posted on 08/22/2004 5:13:21 AM PDT by Wu
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To: Peach; All

My 80yo mother called and is worried that this will cause a backlash on Bush...I tried to re-assure her but failed...


25 posted on 08/22/2004 5:15:56 AM PDT by mystery-ak (The most dangerous place in the world...between Moore and Ronstadt in the buffet line!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

F&F: William Rood, the new Kerryite defender, says there was enemy fire coming from both banks of the river.

[Not sure exactly were Rood was in that incident. But, didn't Kerry's own handwritten diaries contradict his later 'enemy fire' commentaries? I think all these guys are relying on 35 year old memories, which are not always reliable. None of their stories are 100% accurate, so somewhere in the middle of both sides is the truth. The actual truth probably will never be known because the only records are sketchy documentation, Kerry's memoirs/diaries, and Kerry's video---posed later.]

GAG: Sasha Burns, Kerry defender/mouthpiece, is on FoxNews. (She brings her own kneepads.) Malzberg is also on, taking her to task. He won't let her interrupt him. (Wow, go man, go!). Malzberg got his message across. Burns wants to talk about the issues---Malzberg, responds that all Kerry wants to talk about is his VietNam experience.

[Malzberg is the first one I've seen who actually is effective in shutting Burns down.]


26 posted on 08/22/2004 5:19:55 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: TomGuy
Kerry hasn't subjected himself to being questioned.

Neither he nor his Band of Brothers has permitted themselves to be interviewed or questioned.

It is interesting that the new guy, Rood, is hiding behind his managing editor. Rood supposedly didn't want to come forward but had to in order to set the truth straight. Last evening on Obermann (MSNBC), Rood's managing editor, not Rood, was mouth-piecing for Rood.

On reflection, I am cutting Rood slack. His story fully supports what the Swiftees have said about the Silver Star incident, in that Kerry did not attack a numerically superior enemy. The smokescreen of raising an irrelevant difference of recollection regarding the single VC has drawn the media in. Rood appears to have contributed his version of events under pressure from Kerry, and that may well piss him (Rood) off.

27 posted on 08/22/2004 5:20:47 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: mystery-ak

My sister who is a strong Republican called me yesterday to say the same thing.

She also said she's tired of the negative ads on both sides. I asked her which GOP ad was negative and she said all of them! I told her I'd seen every single ad and didn't think that even ONE of them was negative.

I tried to explain that going after Kerry's voting record and his past words regarding Iraq and the WOT, etc., was EXACTLY what the campaign should be about.

Have you seen any ads you'd consider at all negative (by the GOP)?


28 posted on 08/22/2004 5:22:02 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: olde north church
The Vets will not be presented as "sympathetic" figures, they will be attacked personally, not on the merits of their service or the accuracy of their information. This is the second time around these guys to be hung out to dry.

Whether presented as sympathetic or not, they come off to most viewers as credible. Polling proves that.

29 posted on 08/22/2004 5:23:00 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: TomGuy

You put your finger on it. Kerry won't face the Swift Boat vets himself. He doesn't dare because he can't face questions. Since he's come up with a hundred different lies about Cambodia, to name just one incident, he'd have trouble acting credible when asked direct questions. How to keep those myriad lies straight? How to explain the nanonuances? Mais ouis, tres difficile!


30 posted on 08/22/2004 5:26:24 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Wu

[Bob Kerrey has his own cloud of suspicion to deal with:]

That was sort of my point. The logical guests such as Kerrey (Bob) aren't willing to talk publicly on this issue.....they only write articles then hide!


31 posted on 08/22/2004 5:26:54 AM PDT by GoodGrief
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To: mystery-ak

All Bush needs to do is call a press conference and announce that "My oppenent was for 527 ads before he was against them. His silence during the 62 million dollars worth of ads broadcast against me by 527 groups contrasts sharply to his outbursts of the last two days against ads targeting him. My position has been consistent and clear throughout. I hope Senator Kerry will join me in rejecting all 527 ads."


32 posted on 08/22/2004 5:29:46 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Alas Babylon!
Oooh! John Podesta vs. John O'Neill.

Looks like I'll be watching Steffi and the gang this week.

33 posted on 08/22/2004 5:30:38 AM PDT by LincolnLover (Nader/Camejo 2004: Yeah, Libs, That's The Ticket!)
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To: Peach

By the GOP, no.....my mom tries to defend Bush to her church bingo friends and is at a loss...last night one of these friends blamed Bush for attacking a REAL war hero...I gave her a few talking points, but she is not a very good debater, especially at her age.....I told her to get new friends and her reply was...*They are hard to come by, they are all dying off*...LOL


34 posted on 08/22/2004 5:31:01 AM PDT by mystery-ak (The most dangerous place in the world...between Moore and Ronstadt in the buffet line!)
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To: Pusterfuss

You guys crack me up. Muskie meltdown indeed. Can we anticipate Hill's triumphant coronation at that point? The press will have to switch daily talking points fast. Let's see. Kerry will decide, after RATs give him the hook in private, that he's suffering from not enough windsurfing time, or bicycling, or skiing, or snow boarding and is dropping out. He can't say he's sick. That's too...loserish sounding. But it might get RATs sympathy votes. One place he should avoid if Hill calls up for a private meeting is Fort Marcy Park.


35 posted on 08/22/2004 5:31:07 AM PDT by hershey
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To: visagoth

The panties are hopeless, too.


36 posted on 08/22/2004 5:31:45 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Cboldt
Sympathetic wasn't really the word I wanted to use. It was one of those situations when you reach for a word and you can't quite find it. I didn't mean it in the pity sense or feeling sorry for them.
It was a term of convenience. Perhaps I should have used an analogy such as
About as welcome as lepers at a debutante ball?
Suggestions are welcomed.
37 posted on 08/22/2004 5:31:51 AM PDT by olde north church
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To: hershey
Kerry won't face the Swift Boat vets himself. He doesn't dare because he can't face questions. Since he's come up with a hundred different lies about Cambodia, to name just one incident, he'd have trouble acting credible when asked direct questions. How to keep those myriad lies straight? How to explain the nanonuances? Mais ouis, tres difficile!

The Swiftees are not going to go away. I see no way to resolve the different versions of events, either Kerry admits he lied, or he withdraws. At some point, the evidence is going to be so well known by the public (media efforts to keep it buried being ineffective), that the media will have to report the facts. If that cat comes out of the bag, Kerry is burnt toast. He can avoid the spectacle by withdrawing -- those are the only two options I see. Cat out of the bag, and the people vote with full information, or withdraw. Kerry's choice.

38 posted on 08/22/2004 5:32:19 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Rokke

I would like to see that...but didn't he say something like that last week?


39 posted on 08/22/2004 5:32:55 AM PDT by mystery-ak (The most dangerous place in the world...between Moore and Ronstadt in the buffet line!)
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To: mystery-ak
Special note...no Hair Plugs listed above

Seems like he's into the every other week routine now, LOL.

40 posted on 08/22/2004 5:33:04 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: olde north church
"Why did it take 3 weeks to get the MSM to let the Swiftboat Vets into the newspapers and on the tube?"

1) Because they have been investigating them to find flaws needed to rebut their charges.

2) To give Kerry & Co. time to think of plausable (to them) denials.

3) The MSM probably had absolutely no idea that "UNFIT FOR COMMAND" was going to be a #1 seller, and that publisher, Regnery, could not print it fast enough to keep up with demand. ( basically what you have said)

"The first time the NYT recognized the Swifties existense was to attack them as Republican mud-slingers."

No surprise here. And this will continue, along with charges the Bush campaign is behind the entire enchalada.

"The Vets will not be presented as "sympathetic" figures, they will be attacked personally, not on the merits of their service or the accuracy of their information. This is the second time around these guys to be hung out to dry."

Again ... no surprise here. Did you think suddenly the MSM was going to become Bush cheerleaders? Tell the truth? Investigate in a non-partisan way?

41 posted on 08/22/2004 5:35:03 AM PDT by G.Mason (UNFIT FOR COMMAND Buy it - Read it)
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To: mystery-ak
While we're waiting for the shows to kick in, here's a good read about the lib's religious fervor for Kerry.

The Cult of Kerry

42 posted on 08/22/2004 5:35:05 AM PDT by Carolinamom (Guilty as charged, Your Honor; I DID contribute to the Swiftboat vets campaign ads.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
To: friends@foxnews.com
Subject: Rood's story

Rood supports the Swiftees contention that Kerry did not attack a numerically superior enemy force while under intense fire.

Are you going to persist in reporting on the irrelevant details surrounding the single VC dispatched by Kerry? Or will you discuss the actual point of contention?

Well? Ar you "smoke and mirrors" people, or "truth" people?

Name and Town

43 posted on 08/22/2004 5:36:40 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: mystery-ak

Yep. But it didn't serve the agenda of the MSM at that point to broadcast statements from Bush slamming 527's. Now Kerry has forced them to cover Bush's statements. And they will. All Bush needs to do is let attention build, get full coverage, and then stuff the issue right down Kerry's throat before the media can turn the cameras off.


44 posted on 08/22/2004 5:37:08 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Alas Babylon!

We should keep track of how many "elected" democratic officials are willing to "carry water" for Kerry (oh that rhymes, LOL).

Anyway, Donna Brazille,John Podesta etc. won't count.

Only elected democrats on this morning's TV show that speak out for Kerry.

I don't see many dems on the shows except for Late Edition, so it should be easy to keep track.


45 posted on 08/22/2004 5:37:10 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: All

Greetings from the heart of Kerry Country - Boston.
Some morning media observations: On the local Boston CBS news (WBZ) they showed about 15 seconds of the SBVT ad. Same is true of the today show, although they hammered the Bush ad about the Iraq Olympic team.
One last tidbit - I'm growing to really hate Bob Schiefer from CBS Face the Nation. He gave a promo of his show with the local WBZ reporterette where he mentioned "those swiftboat people" GRRRRRRR


46 posted on 08/22/2004 5:38:07 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (Kerry is Toast du Francai')
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To: olde north church
It was a term of convenience. Perhaps I should have used an analogy such as About as welcome as lepers at a debutante ball?

LOL. They'l be "presented as liars" (even though they are not)

47 posted on 08/22/2004 5:39:43 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Alas Babylon!

John O'Neill should have a field day with Rood--er...Rood's mouthpiece.

O'Neill can just challenge Rood to a one on one debate. O'Neill can refute Rood's account where he sees inconsistencies and once that's done, O'Neill can just challenge Rood's mouthpiece as to why Rood isn't courageous or confident enough to publicly debate the accounts.

O'Neill can just tell the mouthpiece, "you weren't there so how do you know what happened". That should be the end of it, but Rood (as anticipated) became the media darling for the weekend news cycle.


48 posted on 08/22/2004 5:41:45 AM PDT by randita
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To: Alas Babylon!

bump


49 posted on 08/22/2004 5:49:07 AM PDT by tom paine 2
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To: Rokke
"All Bush needs to do is call a press conference and announce that "My oppenent was for 527 ads before he was against them. His silence during the 62 million dollars worth of ads broadcast against me by 527 groups contrasts sharply to his outbursts of the last two days against ads targeting him. My position has been consistent and clear throughout. I hope Senator Kerry will join me in rejecting all 527 ads.""

Excellent! Please forward to Karl Rove ASAP.

50 posted on 08/22/2004 5:49:56 AM PDT by Reo
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