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Anti-War Activist accused of Exploiting the POW issue (An oldie but a goodie)
Spinswimming blogspot ^ | August 22 2004 | bkm

Posted on 08/22/2004 2:04:01 PM PDT by Dog

I don't post vanities.... but I am making an exception this time. I need everyone to look at what a blogger named bkm has up on their site. I found it thru a link at Instapundit.

Anti-War Activist accused of Exploiting the POW issue


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1 posted on 08/22/2004 2:04:01 PM PDT by Dog
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To: All

Take the time to read the New York Times article under the photo..


2 posted on 08/22/2004 2:05:27 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: diotima; Interesting Times; generalissimoduane; Carl/NewsMax

fyi..


3 posted on 08/22/2004 2:07:18 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: Dog; Admin Moderator

This isn't really a vanity, since your link is to a page with an old copy of the NY Times.

And it's a great find!


4 posted on 08/22/2004 2:10:35 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: Dog

btttttttttttttttt


5 posted on 08/22/2004 2:11:46 PM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson

The blooger who found this bkm has Free Republic linked to his/her site I just noticed......a freeper maybe?


6 posted on 08/22/2004 2:14:01 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: Dog
This is exactly why their ad using McCain whining to then Governor Bush is so damning to McCain and Kerry.

Their stupidity knows no bounds.

The vets that accused McC during a campaign stop in South Carolina were intimidated into silence by McCain and his cohorts in the media.

These Vets will not be silenced.

And McCain will be exposed for the lying opportunist he is.

No wonder he came out against these ads.......seems they are backed by some of the same folks who went after him on the POW issue last time.

7 posted on 08/22/2004 2:15:57 PM PDT by OldFriend (WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
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To: Brian Mosely

Is this you?


8 posted on 08/22/2004 2:17:37 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: Dog

bttt


9 posted on 08/22/2004 2:19:34 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Dog

This was such a nasty time in the US History, I personally think they should have exposed the youth of America to it a little more so they can see how bad Vets were treated when they came home. These people should have been shot for treason.


10 posted on 08/22/2004 2:20:10 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Dog
Nothing is too low for Kerry

I'll betcha many families of MIA/POW's still today have a lot to say about Kerry

11 posted on 08/22/2004 2:25:06 PM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: Dog
Freeper N. Theknow says:
"It’s faster than a checkbook, more powerful than a Democratic demagogue, able to lay waste to a liar Kerry with the single click of a mouse. It's a little bird of truth, it's plain to see Kerry's unfit... it's... it's...SuperFReep!

Want to join in the fun? Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!

12 posted on 08/22/2004 2:25:19 PM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: dila813
I personally think they should have exposed the youth of America to it a little more so they can see how bad Vets were treated when they came home.

A lot of the youth don't have a clue of what happened back then .. all they have is what Hollywood tells them

13 posted on 08/22/2004 2:26:36 PM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: Dog

Yes, you done good Dog.


14 posted on 08/22/2004 2:31:11 PM PDT by X-FID ( The police aren't in the streets to create disorder; they are in the streets to preserve disorder.)
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To: Dog
See On the Edge of Treason?: John Kerry's exploitation of POWs and their Families by Dr. Robert Turner at WinterSoldier.com. He analyzes the Kerry / POW article this blogger has posted, and it's undoubtedly Turner's scan of it that he is using.
15 posted on 08/22/2004 2:35:07 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times
This is the real story IMHO.....

When John Kerry testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in April 1971, he admitted that he had probably broken the law by going to Paris and meeting with North Vietnamese and Viet Cong leaders. (From page 188 of the hearing record: "I realize that even my visits in Paris . . . in a sense are on the borderline of private individuals negotiating, et cetera. I understand these things." The prohibition against private individuals negotiating--which has been on the criminal statute books since John Adams was President--is contained in 18 U.S.C. Section 953 and is a felony.)

He even admits he may have committed treason.....wow!

16 posted on 08/22/2004 2:38:22 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: Dog

Well, the NYT cannot "disappear" this!

Great find.


17 posted on 08/22/2004 2:38:45 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: Dog

Muy Excelente!

I'm SO blogging this.

..we shall blog on the beaches, we shall blog on the landing grounds, we shall blog in the fields and in the streets, we shall blog in the hills; we shall never surrender...


18 posted on 08/22/2004 2:48:14 PM PDT by dandelion (AKA "The Kerry Fairy" - http://johnkerryquestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: Dog
You should see the front page Sunday Aug 22 edition of the Wisconsin State Journal (urinal) Anti War Hero Guardsman who doesnt wanna go to Iraq...joined the Guard for the money but doesn't "believe" in war...

Lauded as a great 'social activist' 23 yr old Univ of Wi. "student".....

This is the Legacy of John F Kerry...and the bill of Bull Shiite he sold young Americans back in 1970....

I am so gratefull my nephews at least wont fall for this pacifist crap....both want to be US Marines...we are working on getting them into good mental and physical shape for that day

One will go next spring the other in a couple more years...and are highly motivated young men.

19 posted on 08/22/2004 2:50:08 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: dila813
they should have exposed the youth of America to it a little more so they can see how bad Vets were treated when they came home.
. . . but then, "they" weren't interested in that because "they" were the ones who supported John Kerry.

To really cover the subject you would have to cover Communism, anticommunism, fairly. You would have to teach that "the McCarthy Era" was entirely unexceptional except for all the moral posers afoot at the time.

You would have to teach the fact that if the newspapers scream about being censored, you know that in fact they are free as a bird. The only way you know the news is being censored is by reading between the lines about what the reporters do not say. Yet any history of "the McCarthy Era" will use contemporaneous accounts by Americans in-country for proof. Which proves only that those who believe in "McCarthyism" are suckers.


20 posted on 08/22/2004 2:55:27 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: Dog; The Sailor; kjfine; Old Sarge; USAF_TSgt; darkwing104; txradioguy; Long Cut; Jet Jaguar; ...

Must Read! PING


21 posted on 08/22/2004 3:13:22 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: Dog
"What office are you going to run for next?"

May that lady's words echo forever through the history of this campaign.

22 posted on 08/22/2004 3:21:09 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks Tonk!


23 posted on 08/22/2004 3:24:37 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: Dog; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Dog: Great find!!!

Tonk: Thanks for the ping.


24 posted on 08/22/2004 3:27:57 PM PDT by Fawnn (Canteen wOOhOO Consultant and CookingWithPam.com person - Faith makes things possible, not easy.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I wonder where that lady is today?


25 posted on 08/22/2004 3:30:26 PM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: Dog

Bookmark. BTTT.


26 posted on 08/22/2004 3:31:34 PM PDT by Dutchgirl (Gen. Tommy Franks,"We owe it to Osama to kill him.")
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To: Dog
What kind of party would nominate a candidate with all this in his background? Did they think all those millions of vets would forget? Those of us with family and friends who were never accounted for are supposed to just get over it?? Remember Kerry had a hand in that and had the original documenations on live sightings of POW/MIA's SHREDDED but knowing his character, copies were kept but it was the thought that counted. We will NEVER forget what he did in the early nineties concernng POW/MIA's with McCain's collusion, it is seared--seared into the hearts and minds of those who had loved ones just written off like that.
Anna

 This Anna said it all. Great Find Dog!

27 posted on 08/22/2004 3:33:34 PM PDT by Radix (John Kerry is finally not going to do a 180, especially when it comes to releasing his form 180!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thank for the ping Tonk.


28 posted on 08/22/2004 3:41:43 PM PDT by laurenmarlowe
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To: Dog

Here’s a Letter to the Editor I just sent to our local rag:

Dear Sir or Madam,

Below is a Letter to the Editor on which I would appreciate your consideration. Please call me if you have questions concerning this submission. Thank you for your consideration.

Also, should you elect to print this letter, please use my email address with my name so anyone that would like to comment may via email.

=======

Kerry Can’t Stand the Heat

Wasn't it John Kerry who recently said "Bring it on" if anyone wanted to scrutinize his often repeated exploits during and after the Vietnam War? That brings to mind a schoolboy picking a fight in school yard and hoping the target doesn’t take him up on it.

Now, 254 of his former Swift Boat crewmates who have signed affidavits and are appearing in Television ads against him took him up on his call out. Former POWs are speaking out stating the congressional testimony John Kerry gave was fodder for the Vietnamese as they were tortured. They took Sen. Kerry up on his attempted intimidation.

Now Mr. Kerry would like them to back off. Using the same analogy he is begging for someone, anyone to make them stop. However, Kerry's actions during and upon his return from Vietnam should not be beyond reproach. His anti-war actions and allegations against veterans should not be shielded from scrutiny.

Instead of taking the “positive approach” that he said he would, Kerry (as most liberals) sees all manner of conspiracies in the opposition. President Bush on the other hand has endured a year of daily lambasting by Kerry surrogates and a willing media partner. I don’t recall President Bush once asking someone, anyone to pull them off.

As a veteran, which type of individual do I want in my foxhole?

=======

Thank you for your consideration. We enjoy and rely on your paper!

Respectfully yours,
Me


29 posted on 08/22/2004 3:49:54 PM PDT by schaketo (Notorious for skinny dipping in the same pond as snapping turtles)
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To: schaketo

Very well said...good job.


30 posted on 08/22/2004 3:57:30 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: Dog
The blooger who found this bkm has Free Republic linked to his/her site I just noticed......a freeper maybe?

You found a blooger?

Hiya Dog. :o)

31 posted on 08/22/2004 3:58:59 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: arasina
LOL!

Uh oh....

I'm well....except I can't spell.

32 posted on 08/22/2004 4:06:48 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: Dog

I wonder if one of the POW/MIA groups knows what happened to that woman who asked F'n Skerrdy "What office are you going to run for next?"


33 posted on 08/22/2004 4:10:07 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: arasina

Let me do some research..


34 posted on 08/22/2004 4:11:06 PM PDT by Dog (If he had shown up for Intelligence Committee hearings he would notice he wasn't vice chairman.")
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To: schaketo

Let us know if they print it, please.


35 posted on 08/22/2004 4:13:52 PM PDT by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: Dog
Why hasn't the New York Times cited this article in its' contemporary coverage of the Kerry campaign? Considering the current controversy with the Swiftvets and Kerry's service in Vietnam it seem it would be relevant. I suppose todays New York Times reporters are too lazy to look in their own archives for stories about Kerry's Vietnam exploits. It couldn't be because they have an agenda, could it? I mean, there is no media bias at the Times, right? They have no interest in who wins this election, right?
36 posted on 08/22/2004 4:54:58 PM PDT by Arnold Zephel
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To: Dog

bump


37 posted on 08/22/2004 5:46:22 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Dog
From Kerry's FBI file.

Even his fellow comrades in the Vietnam Veterans Against the War figured out he was a phony.

On October 10, 1971, the first source advised that Kerry's speech was received by local VVAW supporters as a clear indication that Kerry is an opportunist with political aspirations.

Therefore, the source advised, support has been withdrawn from the New York City office in general and John Kerry in particular.

38 posted on 08/22/2004 6:16:25 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: Dog

Yep...I posted it before I headed over to a friend's house for the afternoon to relax by the pool and wondered if I would get a reaction. Looks like I did. Just got home to a full inbox...;)


39 posted on 08/22/2004 6:30:18 PM PDT by Brian Mosely (A government is a body of people -- usually notably ungoverned http://spinswimming.blogspot.com)
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To: Dog
The next anti-Kerry ad

Opens in Black with :02 of the first three notes of Taps

We fade up from black to see full length shot of a nice woman in her 50s-60s, not too severe black dress, small string of pearls, standing. She is standing over a grave in a cemetery. There is a small American flag stuck in the ground, near the headstone. There is also a small urn of flowers. She probably brought the flowers.

we hear a lot of birds, etc. nat sound, then the second three notes of Taps.

She turns to camera.

"My name is XXX XXXXX, this is my husband's grave.... and this is a true story.

My husband XXX died from wounds he received as a POW in North Vietnam. While the North Vietnamese were torturing XXX to get information, John Kerry was telling (dissolve to black and white video of long haired Kerry with other hippies) lies about Americans in Vietnam so he could get elected to Congress from Massachusetts."

"XXX knew about John Kerry, because his torturers (disolve to video of POWS in those red and grey prison suits being marched through Hanoi) told him about how much they admired John Kerry, and how much Mr. Kerry was helping them."

narrator medium shot on camera again.

"I even begged John Kerry to stop his lies, but he wouldn't ... (video Kerry as hippie again with campaign signs) because it helped him get elected... in Massachusetts..."

narrator close up. "John Kerry helped the North Vietnamese demoralize American soldiers. Some died because of it. When Mr. Kerry says he's "reporting for duty", who is he working for this time?????

She turns down and looks at grave again.

slow fade to black... last three notes of Taps.
40 posted on 08/22/2004 6:32:34 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: Dog

Shows that a hyena doesn't change its spots.


41 posted on 08/22/2004 6:39:59 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Dog; PhilDragoo; Ragtime Cowgirl; Cindy; SusanTK; AdmSmith; Valin; Luis Gonzalez; ALOHA RONNIE; ...
What "Hanoi John" is now doing, is not only trashing our Vietnam veterans again, but calling them liars. Not one thing has changed about this rotten SOB since 1969. In the worst way, "Hanoi John" wants "Unfit For Command" to be removed from the book shelves, and everybody to just slither away. Wrong. The "Unfit For Command" book will be continued in print, and OUR vets don't slither, they stand up and fight.   BOYCOTT MSNBC.

THANKS FOR   THE PING!


Want to join in the fun? Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!

42 posted on 08/22/2004 7:22:34 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: MindBender26

nice, if only they would run it.


43 posted on 08/22/2004 7:49:31 PM PDT by gdc61
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To: dila813

This was such a nasty time in the US History

(If I may) You might want to take a look at the presidental campaigns in the earry years of the republic.

If you think it's bad now just wait until to dems realise that they aren't going to win.


44 posted on 08/22/2004 8:30:12 PM PDT by Valin (Mind like a steel trap - rusty and illegal in 37 states.)
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To: MindBender26

Send it off to the gop.
I like it.


45 posted on 08/22/2004 8:31:50 PM PDT by Valin (Mind like a steel trap - rusty and illegal in 37 states.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping!


46 posted on 08/22/2004 8:51:30 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Smartass

Swifties Bump


47 posted on 08/22/2004 10:10:22 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Married men live longer than single men, but married men are a lot more willing to go..)
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To: Dog

We Are Waiting

• Did Kerry commit war atrocities?

• Did Kerry lie about "Christmas in Cambodia"?

• Kerry's medals. Kerry returned from his 4 1/2 month stint in Vietnam with three Purple Hearts for wounds, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star for gallantry.?


http://www.investors.com/editorial/issues.asp?v=8/23

After all, it was Kerry himself — with the smart salute and "reporting for duty" opening of his convention speech — who made his military service the keystone of his campaign. And it is Kerry who has repeatedly compared himself favorably with President Bush on that score.

• Did Kerry commit war atrocities?

• Did Kerry lie about "Christmas in Cambodia"?

• Kerry's medals. Kerry returned from his 4 1/2 month stint in Vietnam with three Purple Hearts for wounds, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star for gallantry.?


http://www.investors.com/editorial/issues.asp?v=8/23
After all, it was Kerry himself — with the smart salute and "reporting for duty" opening of his convention speech — who made his military service the keystone of his campaign. And it is Kerry who has repeatedly compared himself favorably with President Bush on that score.

• Did Kerry commit war atrocities?

• Did Kerry lie about "Christmas in Cambodia"?

• Kerry's medals. Kerry returned from his 4 1/2 month stint in Vietnam with three Purple Hearts for wounds, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star for gallantry.?


http://www.investors.com/editorial/issues.asp?v=8/23


48 posted on 08/22/2004 10:35:52 PM PDT by KQQL
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To: Dog; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Excellent find, Dog! I've got several of your threads bookmarked and this find is definitely a keeper! And a mass e-mailer.

Thanks for the "ammo" ping, Tonk!!!


49 posted on 08/22/2004 10:39:12 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: radu
My Favorite post for dims and trolls
who slither in here each day.
And the Lame Stream media
who find the real news on Free Republic,
then rewrite and spin the truth.


ATTN : ABC CBS CNN FOX NBC
William B. Rood was not actually ON Kerry's boat.


Mommy Heinz!
Help!


Look what the Washington Post said on 8/21/04

"Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published Kerry's full military records on their Web site (with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year), they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records. A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the full file, which consists of at least a hundred pages. "

Look! What the Harvard Crimson wrote about me in 1970

Published on Wednesday, February 18, 1970
John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress
By SAMUEL Z. GOLDHABER
Crimson Staff Writer

"...One time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village
but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command
simply send in a Psychological Warfare team to be
friend the villagers with food, hospital supplies,
and better educational facilities."



Now my shipmates on the
USS GRIDLEY CG-21
are attacking me.

Click Here Mommy
and see what
the USS GRIDLEY crew say.


They say I told lies in Tour of Duty
GRIDLEY CREW ARE LIKE
SWIFT BOAT VETS MEANIES!

Mommy : People can get
MY real book here, right now, online FREE!!

I'm so proud of it!
The New Soldier,
By John Kerry
and Vietnam Veterans
Against the War



Mommy : Please don't be mad
about my hero Al Hubbard.

Head of Kerry's Vietnam Vets Against the War was Vietnam Vet phony
"Many of the stories were later shown to be fictional. Other so-called Vietnam veterans, such as the executive secretary of VVAW, Al Hubbard, a self-styled poet ("See what you've become, Amerika," ends one of his Vietnam odes),
turned out to have no record of service in Vietnam."



Mommy : Why does McCain
still campaign with Bush?
Mommy : Why doesn't Al Gore defend me?
He is a Vietnam Vet.

Mommy : Did Hillary
"leak" FBI Files on me?
I even used her famous slogan?


"Kerry entered and abandoned Vietnamese village and slaughtered domestic animals
owned by the civilians and burned down their homes with his Zippo lighter."




It only takes one idiot to raze a village!
(My original response!)


Mommy : Where is Ted Kennedy?




50 posted on 08/22/2004 10:40:49 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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