Posted on 08/22/2004 2:04:50 PM PDT by quidnunc
There are few better ways to stop a dinner party cold than to offer, when the topic gets around to U.S. politics that, well, were one an American one would most likely vote for George W. Bush.
There are many levels to the kind of response this evokes from Canadian academics, policy workers, journalists or civil servants (yes, one should be careful whom one eats with).
The first and the one that speaks so eloquently about much of our intelligentsia is the rank condescension. The bias clearly conveyed is that frankly, the president of the United States is not all that bright, nor well-read, nor worldly.
Nothing so condemns Canadians to global irrelevance than this snide capacity to look down on people with whom we disagree.
When I ask whether they feel the articulate Tony Blair, the New Labour, Third Way British PM, is also unworldly and a slow reader, they shift tactics: "Well, he throws around military power without consulting."
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Next is the neo-conservative conspiracy to get Saddam Hussein and attack Iraq no matter what. I ask about the "no matter what" rather directly.
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(Excerpt) Read more at thestar.com ...
My friend told me she met a Canadian Liberatrian! Actually, turns out he is American, but lives in Vancouver, BC with his Conservative wife. I imagine that is worse than being a conservative in CA!
A trait most unbecoming Canadians
We shouldn't be smug just because we disagree with George W. Bush, says Hugh Segal
There are few better ways to stop a dinner party cold than to offer, when the topic gets around to U.S. politics that, well, were one an American one would most likely vote for George W. Bush.
There are many levels to the kind of response this evokes from Canadian academics, policy workers, journalists or civil servants (yes, one should be careful whom one eats with).
The first and the one that speaks so eloquently about much of our intelligentsia is the rank condescension. The bias clearly conveyed is that frankly, the president of the United States is not all that bright, nor well-read, nor worldly.
Nothing so condemns Canadians to global irrelevance than this snide capacity to look down on people with whom we disagree.
When I ask whether they feel the articulate Tony Blair, the New Labour, Third Way British PM, is also unworldly and a slow reader, they shift tactics: "Well, he throws around military power without consulting."
If I note that America waited many months after some 3,000 citizens were killed in New York before removing the terrorist Taliban government in Afghanistan and that Jean Chrétien, that old militarist, had sent Canadian combat troops on their first combat mission since Korea to help, they change the topic quickly to Iraq.
So, first we leave a president who is not well- read, not terribly worldly and a president who is part of at least two conspiracies.
Next is the neo-conservative conspiracy to get Saddam Hussein and attack Iraq no matter what. I ask about the "no matter what" rather directly.
"Do you mean no matter what Saddam did to promote peace and co-operation? Do you mean no matter what he did to let inspectors have the time and the opportunity to verify any compliance at all with U.N. weapons rules? Do you mean no matter what he has done to repel terrorists from Iraq and reconcile with his neighbours, like Kuwait?"
Of course, the ground shifts then to the absence of weapons of mass destruction and another conspiracy to misread or distort intelligence indicating he had no such weapons. I ask about that intelligence. Is it not accurate to say the American, British and Israeli intelligence had collectively or separately made some large mistakes in the past?
If one safely assumes that intelligence services missed Pearl Harbour, missed the 1973 attack on Israel, missed the Indian and Pakistani explosion of nuclear devices, missed the attacks on U.S. embassies abroad, and missed the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, not to mention the attacks on America on September, 2001, it is also safe to assume that when faced with evidence that suggested Iraq might or might not have weapons of mass destruction ready for deployment, one might just err on the side of caution and assume the worst.
Just last year, at a conference in Moscow at the Institute for the Study of Canada and the United States, a fellow member of the Canadian delegation responded to a Russian academic's ridiculing the absence of weapons of mass destruction this way:
"I suspect that when Russian and Allied troops invaded Germany to bring the Second World War to an end, they were relieved that they did not find atomic weapons ready for deployment. Because the Nazis surely would have deployed them."
The anti-Bush argument then moves to the quagmire conspiracy, from which only large American firms and arms dealers, all friends of the Republicans, could possibly benefit.
While one can argue that any and all corporations are usually the friends of those in power, the notion that any president would take his country to war to advance companies' quarterly numbers is a little far-fetched.
On post-conflict transition, America has never been very strong.
And if elections are about the future, whom do we think is likely to end the war most quickly?
Bush, looking for his second and last term, will not leave its continuation as his ongoing legacy. A new Democratic president, who has made military courage his hallmark character trait, may well find reasons to stay longer.
Canada is not part of the coalition of the willing in Iraq, either in humanitarian or military terms except for sending money and offering to train police and others in the relative safety of Jordan. Condescension because we disagree is quite unbecoming.
Or just down on Americans in general, eh.
Canada has come to signify nothing but 'coming attractions' for an unwary and unaware American populace.
There are several American's living in Vancouver because of drug charges in America. I wonder if he was one of them.
When Bush wins this November, we should hire some sky writers to write Bush's name and "Four more years!" in the sky facing the Canadians.
It would be poetic.
Gordon Sinclair
What's a "Canadian"?
Hugh Segal is the Canadian version of what freepers call a RINO.
"Senator Kerry reports that Bush is a thieving liar...."
(your response:) Well, why don't we examine Lurch's voting and Vietnam records? ...etc.
Get the point? It makes for easier reading and getting your point across.
Stay safe; stay armed.
"Canada has come to signify nothing but 'coming attractions' for an unwary and unaware American populace"
Brilliant, just brilliant! And a word to the wise. This will become America's future if we are not vigilant, but fall for the welfare state.
Thank you very much.
http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Our_Culture/americans.htm
Also click on true story at end of Americans.
It really doesn't matter much any more.
Canadians are begging Americans in the WNY area to come up to Toronto and they just won't.
Wanna guess why not?
It's an American, except more arrogant and less informed.
It really doesn't matter much any more. Canadians are begging Americans in the WNY area to come up to Toronto and they just won't. Wanna guess why not?Do tell why! I have not heard of this.
It seems that the trait which has come to most closely define the meaning of what it is to be Canadian is a reflexive hatred for the United States.
Rather than recognizing the mutual dangers that face all of Western culture and working alongside the United States in a spirit of comeraderie and goodwill, the majority of Canadians prefer to be resentful and jealous of American power and stature on the world stage and regress into this juvenile, spiteful attitude that the author's dinner party friends illustrate. They are quite happy to accept military protection from the U.S. (everyone knows that if Toronto were nuked by Al-Queda tomorrow, Tehran, Pyongyang and Damascus would be smoking craters on Tuesday)while adopting this snooty, condescending attitude of dovish superiority. They are quite happy to accept our trade and our money while simultaneously spitting in our faces.
Only occasionally do Canadian writers have the courage to address this issue honestly, as this author has, and he should be commended.
He will likely not be invited to too many dinner parties from now on.
Having lived there for 4 years and not being able to stand it anymore, I wholeheartedly agree. Bump.
I'm not replying to anything (except you); I just posted the unexcerpted article.
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