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Swift Boat ads roiling campaign waters (bias alert)
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | August 23, 2004 | Dick Polman

Posted on 08/23/2004 8:50:40 AM PDT by rudy45

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HILL TO HEAD KERRY 'TRUTH SQUAD' (Kerry Cries for Hillary's Help)
Yahoo News/ New York Post Opt/ED | Aug 23, 2004 | Fredric U. Dicker


Posted on 08/23/2004 8:39:49 AM PDT by Conservative_boy_in_Bangkok


By FREDRIC U. DICKER

JOHN KERRY'S presidential campaign, which slighted Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (news - web sites) during the Democratic convention last month, now wants the former first lady to lead its "truth squad" at next week's GOP convention, The Post has learned.

Party insiders said that aides to Clinton were engaged in "intensive talks" over the weekend with Kerry's representatives about the role she is expected to play.

"It will be high profile; she will be one of the responders at the convention, probably focusing on homeland security issues," said a source familiar with the talks. "I think it's fair to say the Kerry people realize Mrs. Clinton could be very effective."

Another insider said, "It's ironic that after they snubbed her in Boston, they now want to use her in New York." ...(Snip)

To make the Lunatic Libs even more pathetic and insane, donate to the Swiftvets.com to buy more ads.

https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets


21 posted on 08/23/2004 9:25:30 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: rudy45
To: Dick Polman

Hey, Dick, guarding the United States was part of the Cold War. By Kerry's own post-war propaganda, Vietnam was us interfering in a civil war. So only one of the candidates actually defended us and it wasn't Waffle Man.

Dick, it wasn't Bush shrewdness that made this all about Vietnam. It was Kerry. His campaign realized they have an empty suit so they decided to make the election a referendum on Vietnam 35 years ago. Amazing that there's so little since then that Ketchup Boy can cite as accomplishments.

Dick, please don't pass off the whiney,Democrat talking points as your own column. The SBVTs accuse Kerry of doctoring Navy records to win medals. The best his campaign can come up with is "all the Navy records support Kerry". Well he wrote them. BTW, when will we see ALL the Navy records? Thanks, Dick.

22 posted on 08/23/2004 9:26:06 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Brad Cloven
I sent the following e-mail to Polman:

I wanted to drop you a line and tell you conservatives do regard Pres. Bush as a great Commander in Chief. I fear you have come down with HBAAT (hate bush at all times). This condition is known to alter the sufferer's perceptions. For example, it is quite clear that Kerry lied about Cambodia. It is also clear that Kerry has something to hide-he won't sign the 180 and release all records. Why not investigate whether the Swift Boat charges are true? Now, that would be useful. If - as you claim- the Swifties are lying than you could disprove these charges once and for all. If you find, as I believe, they are telling the truth, you could follow longstanding media policy-ignore any/all truths that hurt Democrats and other assorted leftists. Of course there is no dispute about Kerry's treasonous activities after he returned from Vietnam. He lied to Congress, admitted to being a war criminal (what's the statue of limitations?), attended meetings where the assassination of Senators (some of whom he probably served with later) was discussed, went to Paris (still in the Navy reserves) and met with the Vietcong (enemy), attended anti-war rallies, threw his/someone else's medals away or was it ribbons? He has flip- flopped so often, I can remember the latest version. It doesn't really matter because treason is...well treason. No thinking person (defined as those not suffering from HBAAT) would wish to see this serial liar as President of the United States-God forbid!
23 posted on 08/23/2004 9:33:31 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: Freemyland

The only guy's who had 8mm Movie Cameras or other type of Video Recording equiptment in combat areas in Nam were TV
crews,News Reporters, and REMF's. Period.

John F'n Kerry is a total,Full Tilt PHONEY.


24 posted on 08/23/2004 9:38:44 AM PDT by Pompah (The price of greatness is responsibility)
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To: rudy45

George W. Bush has made NO assertions on the quality of service John Kerry gave to his country while in the US Navy in Viet Nam. Nothing. Not one word. Bush has, in fact, stated that Kerry's tour of Viet Nam is "Honorable", and Kerry was honorably discharged when released from active duty and reserves.

Some Navy veterans who served alongside Kerry, and were in position to observe his day-to-day behavior, have puzzled why a rather mediocre Naval officer seemed to be so inept and seemingly insubordinate. Kerry was a discipline problem, and if an enlisted man had shown such truculence, probably would have been discharged as "unfit for service". But there is a higher code for officers, and the handling of insubordination is usually done behind closed doors. There is, unofficially, a policy of treating "political" officers differently from Academy graduate officers. "Political" officers are frequently simply admonished, and removed to some rear assignment, until such time as there is a face-saving way to get them separated from service. Regular Academy Officers are expected to resign "for the good of the service" and their service jackets are retired, safe from prying eyes.

And there these records would remain. Only by the separated officer's signature on a DD Form 180, would the records be released in response to any FOIA request. There is a tacit agreement with the US Navy, that if the vet separated under uncertain conditions does not talk about it, then it is nobody's business what is in those records. The service records are sacrosanct.

But in this case, the veteran HAS chosen to talk about his record, and there seem to be serious discrepancies between what is asserted by John Kerry, and what his peers remember of the episodes that Kerry holds up as examples of his personal achievements. Any objective person cannot go to the record, because John Kerry will not permit their release.


25 posted on 08/23/2004 9:50:48 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: rudy45
Did anyone see the O'Dell interview on Fox? Is the exchange being quoted out of context?

Yes and yes.

Odell pointed out he doesn't have a written document. He does have seven (7) eyewitnesses that back up his story. He pointed out that Kerry wrote the action report that the official documents are based on.

As to the beginning of the article where the writer asserts that it is the Bush allies that turned this into a referendum on the guy who actually went to war, uh, that would be Kerry who did that.

26 posted on 08/23/2004 9:58:35 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: rudy45
The Ferguson quote is used in a misleading manner.

Republicans have no such luck this time, and so they scramble to reassure themselves that they nevertheless are doing the right thing, voting against a war hero. The simplest way to do this is to convince themselves that the war hero isn't really a war hero. If sufficient doubt about Kerry's record can be raised, we can vote for Bush without remorse. But the calculations are transparently desperate. Reading some of the anti-Kerry attacks over the last several weeks, you might conclude that this is the new conservative position: A veteran who volunteered for combat duty, spent four months under fire in Vietnam, and then exaggerated a bit so he could go home early is the inferior, morally and otherwise, of a man who had his father pull strings so he wouldn't have to go to Vietnam in the first place.

Needless to say, the proposition will be a hard sell in those dim and tiny reaches of the electorate where voters have yet to make up their minds. Indeed, it's far more likely that moderates and fence-sitters will be disgusted by the lengths to which partisans will go to discredit a rival. But this anti-Kerry campaign is not designed to win undecided votes. It's designed to reassure uneasy minds.

27 posted on 08/23/2004 9:58:46 AM PDT by moni kerr (Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way)
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To: rudy45

I don't have documentary proof as to what I had for breakfast this morning. Guess I didn't eat.


28 posted on 08/23/2004 10:00:16 AM PDT by william clark
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To: Logical me

OK, let me try to get this straight.

Kerry comes home from Viet Nam, and in testifying about the bad stuff that went on, demeans ALL Viet Nam veterans. That point has been made many times here on this forum.

The Swift Boat Vets claim that Kerry simply wrote reports that ended up with his getting his various medals. Who knew it was so easy to get Purple Hearts and Bronze Stars? All someone has to do is write a report. How do the Swifties not demean every medal holder with their claim that it was so easy to get those medals?

I'm serious. I don't get it.


29 posted on 08/23/2004 10:01:19 AM PDT by dmz
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
No. That is not all he needs to do, unless the records would reubut the SBVT's charges against Kerry.

If these records helped him, he would have already signed teh form and released ALL of his records, rather than a carefully selected few.

But I imagine you and I agree on this, anyway.

30 posted on 08/23/2004 10:01:57 AM PDT by Montfort
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To: dmz

"All someone has to do is write a report. How do the Swifties not demean every medal holder with their claim that it was so easy to get those medals?"

because most medal awardees didn't initiate the process. there is a presupposition of honor here which they're saying the "boston strangler" didn't exhibit.
(btw, the quoted phrase was his call sign)


31 posted on 08/23/2004 1:53:43 PM PDT by kallisti (just a rest stop on the way to mount pyle)
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