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Bush urges Kerry to condemn attack ads
CNN ^ | 8-23-04

Posted on 08/23/2004 1:52:38 PM PDT by ambrose

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To: Sender

Did you catch a few of them: "Our ads are OK because they tell the truth." YEAH... sure... anything you say!


21 posted on 08/23/2004 2:33:09 PM PDT by RogerWilko
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To: Chieftain

Link isn't working, hope it's cause donations are pouring in.


22 posted on 08/23/2004 2:42:21 PM PDT by tioga (Flush the johns in '04!)
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To: dawn53

Where are the POLLS?

Have you noticed the ABSENCE of polls? The news media doesn't want to hear the American public's opinion on the Swift Boat Vets ad.


23 posted on 08/23/2004 2:45:40 PM PDT by i_dont_chat
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To: ambrose

The New Soldier by John Kerry and Vietnam Veterans Against the War

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and and Vietnam Veterans Against the War

Print and distibute the book that John Kerry "forgets" to mention!

The one book he refuses to bring up.

"honor" John Kerry

Help America know what a "hero" he was at the Winter Soldier
scam he and Jane Fonda pulled on the USA when he came home.

Make sure Kerry "fans" get their copy!


http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Inro.pdf
http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier.pdf
http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Epilogue.pdf

"Phony Vietnam veterans alleged in books
Guenter Lewy's 1978 book America in Vietnam (pages 316-317) and B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley's Stolen Valor (Verity Press, Inc., Dallas, Texas)(pages 113, 131-137) contain similar information about alleged flaws in Lane's book. Neither book, however, refutes any of the testimony given during the Winter Soldier Investigation.

Lawyer and leftist activist Mark Lane was one of the organizers of Winter Soldier. In 1970, Lane had published a book called Conversations With Americans purporting to be interviews with Vietnam veterans about war crimes, containing Vietnam tales of atrocities. Reporter Neil Sheehan showed some interviewed in Lane's book had never served in Vietnam and others had not been in the situations they described. Lane admitted he did not check military records, as confirmation of details was not relevant. Lane later confirmed these militarty records.
The following are often falsely listed as being participants in Winter Soldier, but were actually in Lane's book instead. This confusion is probably due to Stolen Valor having an explanation of Lane's history within the section on Winter Soldier.
Chuck Onan, stock room clerk in Beaufort, S.C.
Michael Schneider, deserted in Europe and deserted again in the USA.
Terry Whitmore, was in an unpopulated area of Vietnam.
Garry Gianninoto, medical corpsman at battalion headquarters.
VVAW leader and Winter Soldier co-organizer Al Hubbard lied about being an officer, and sustaining war injuries - but he never testified at Winter Soldier .
According to the investigative work of Burkett, Lewy and others, there were many imposters, liars, and plain nutjobs who infiltrated the ranks of the anti-war movement, and, in some cases, testified to war crimes and atrocities that never occurred in order to get attention, sympathy, and, in one documented case, medals and honors."

http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/W/Winter-Soldier-Investigation.htm


24 posted on 08/23/2004 2:46:10 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: berkley
Bush is too much the gentleman---He needs to fight back and expose them for the hypocrites they are.

By asking Kerry to also condemn attack ads the President IS exposing them for the hypocrites they are--and, he's doing it as a gentleman and a leader, not a whiner and a coward like Kerry, et al.

25 posted on 08/23/2004 2:46:23 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: berkley
Bush is too much the gentleman---the Dems are fighting dirty--and have the media to back them. He needs to fight back and expose them for the hypocrites they are

Exactly! Here was an opportunity to criticize all ads, and state that the Dem 527s spent over 65 million against Bush... He didn't point that out, allowing for BS claims like the front page of MSNBC "Bush Calls for Halt to Swift-Boat Ads"... He didn't specifically state that! What BS...

26 posted on 08/23/2004 2:51:08 PM PDT by NYC Republican (Liberals are absolutely evil and despicable. SKerry is their leader, how appropriate.)
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To: ambrose

Now Bush's condemnation of the 527s makes sense.

Bush is going to have a long wait for Kerry to denounce the 527 ads . . . .










. . . . . . . . . . . . . a very, VERY, VERY long wait.


27 posted on 08/23/2004 2:51:25 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: ambrose
They will turn it on Bush now by saying "Bush doesn't want regular Americans to have a voice during elections". They will do so despite of all the screaming at Bush to condemn regular Americans for doing just that.

If you do away with 527s, the media will just air the filth from these liberals for free.

If they could stop SBvets from airing TV commercials, what is to stop them from shutting down swiftvets.com? They have the ad playing over there and the website can be publicized by bumper stickers, billboards, word of mouth...how will they be able to shut down all free speech?

28 posted on 08/23/2004 2:59:17 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis (Liberals lie at the premise, accept their premise and you can only lose the argument.)
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To: berkley
Bush is too much the gentleman---the Dems are fighting dirty--and have the media to back them. He needs to fight back and expose them for the hypocrites they are.

I think he did that quite well. sKerry got nothing more than what the President has said before and now has to do the same or a) shut up, b) continue showing what a hypocrite and nancy he is.

29 posted on 08/23/2004 3:16:29 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: RogerWilko
Yeah I saw that, "no comparison" between Dim 527s and Swift Vets. "MoveOn was established to provide truth" during Clinton admin and doesn't even know who Kerry is. Yeah right. Swift Vets "created by Bush to lie" etc etc.

Of course this is what they will say, they are Dims and lying is truth. They don't even know what the truth is anymore. Anything that is against Bush is truth to them. I suspect the FEC will not do much of anything to stop any of the 527s this year, so we're in for a real rough ride.

I think it's funny that the Dims and DUmmies keep threatening to whip out the "Bush AWOL" theme if Bush doesn't shut down the Swift Vets. What? As if they haven't been drumming slander against Bush forever already?

What have we seen so far from these "truth" 527s? Bush AWOL. Bush cokehead. Bush secret abortion. Bush MIHOP (made it happen on purpose) 9/11. Bush alcoholic. Bush idiot. Bush rescued bin Ladens. Bush crazed-oilman imperialist. Bush blood-for-oil. Bush repressing women. Bush theocracy. Bush squanders world goodwill. And of course, the ubiquitous Bush worse than Hitler.

I can't think of any kind of slander or libel the Dim 527s haven't already supported...well I haven't heard Bush is gay yet. Of course that would be a compliment on their side.

30 posted on 08/23/2004 3:21:02 PM PDT by Sender (I didn't leave cookays. I left him cheeese.)
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To: ambrose

Edwards- "We need a president with the strength and integrity to say when something is wrong. Instead of hiding behind a front group, he needs to take responsibility and demand that the ad come off the air."

Hey John boy...
A) The President said they are wrong for the system.

B) Why have you and Botox b!tch boy not called for an end to moveon.org ads (as a matter of fact, Kerry's wife has funded them {She campaigns for you} and your campaign and the DNC have now been busted for coordinating with them.)

C) The President can't "demand" anything of the groups. The Office of President is NOT a DICTATORSHIP!

It seems that you and FLIP FLOP think that the office comes with unlimited biased power. GET A LIFE LENIN JR.!


31 posted on 08/23/2004 3:25:08 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: ambrose
(Bush: "I think Sen. Kerry served admirably. He ought to be -- he ought to be proud of his record."
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Bush said "unregulated soft money" of 527 groups "is wrong for the process."

What about the Swift Vets, can't they be proud of their records as well? Do they not have freedom of speech to state their position. 527 groups are mostly a result of the Campaign Finance Reform Act, which Bush signed, saying that he hoped the Courts would overturn the unconstitutional parts. They didn't. Still if his position then was parts of CFR were a violation of the Constitution, why could he not stand up for the first amendment rights of the Swift Vets to make their case.

As with his stated stance on the AW ban, this statement helped the President with no one who was going to vote against him, and may have hurt him with some who were going to vote for him, or at least were leaning that way.

I'm disappointed that he would not stand up to the MSM and defend the rights of the vets. They have after all earned their right to speak at least as much as John Kerry has. Their right could be defended without agreeing or disagreeing with them. I'd have liked to see him disassociate himself from the Swift Vet statements (if he felt he must), but at the same time defend the right of the vets to make them. I thought that's what "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States" in his oath of office meant.

32 posted on 08/23/2004 3:39:35 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: ambrose
Sorry. I've stopped laughing at the irony of what has happened here. Truth be told, I want the Swift Vets, and any other Anti-Kerry groups to POUR IT ON!

BALLS TO THE WALL BOYS!

33 posted on 08/23/2004 3:46:35 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: tioga

Yep there are thousands trying to contribute! Try later this evening. Thanks for your support!


34 posted on 08/23/2004 4:09:15 PM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: ambrose
It is good strategery, but this continued assault on the First Amendment bothers me.

Needs to be repeated.

35 posted on 08/23/2004 4:12:17 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Right_in_Virginia

And where is John McCain???????


36 posted on 08/23/2004 5:51:42 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: ambrose
This article has been posted to DoctorZin’s New News Blog!


37 posted on 08/23/2004 6:21:33 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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