It's not just you. They do in fact whine like little bitches while they look down their noses at others.
Quite comical, really.
Posted on 08/25/2004 6:42:06 AM PDT by A. Pole
It's not just you. They do in fact whine like little bitches while they look down their noses at others.
Quite comical, really.
Is this what has come to - neglect the internal decay of our own nation to fight wars outside of it? If that is the neocon way, count me out. My kids are growing up here, not there. Seriously, in your opinion, is this why Cheney took the stance on gay marriage that he did - because the culture wars here are not winnable?
that lewrockwell site was really poorly put together. I mean sure they are nuts but couldn't they hire someone to design the site?!?! yeesh, my blog is better than that site
I hope Neocon isn't code for being Jewish because I don't want to have to double guess everytime some brings it up that they might be an Anti-Semite.
Found this article that gives a decent explanation of the term and its evolution to what it means today (at least by journalists views)
Neocon' becomes a confusing code word
By Suzanne Fields
WASHINGTON TIMES
Politics is all about polarities. Republican vs. Democrat, conservative vs. liberal, right vs. left, hard thinking vs. soft thinking. The labels are pervasive, but the ground frequently shifts, requiring a new prefix to freshen up the label.
The word neocon, for example (short for neoconservative), was born of such a shifting of the ground. Coined in the 1970s, the label stuck to Democrats who had watched the Scoop Jackson anti-Communist wing of the Democratic party evaporate before their very eyes. They saw the War on Poverty become a losing battle. On the domestic front, they observed the death of morality as it had been defined for thousands of years in the Judeo-Christian tradition. These Democrats finally concluded that liberalism, as they had known it, was dead.
Irving Kristol, father of the neocons, defined his band of brothers and sisters as "liberals mugged by reality." That reality was the "evil empire" as defined by Ronald Reagan, the leader they championed. The reality extended to a concern for crime and education and what came to be called "family values." A subdivision of the neocons, the "cultural conservatives," were wryly defined as liberals with daughters in junior high.
Jews were prominently identified with the neocons, largely because Norman Podhoretz, editor of Commentary magazine, made the magazine a sounding board for neocon criticism. But Jeanne Kirkpatrick, a Baptist, and William Bennett, a Roman Catholic, were prominent neocon voices from the beginning. So were other Christians. "What are we," they might ask, "chopped liver?"
The Jewish neocons understood what the majority of Jews who vote Democratic didn't - that Jews and Evangelical Christians held many things in common, among them an admiration and affection for Israel.
Such definitions and ideological attitudes are amply documented in the political history of the second half of the 20th century, but the neocon label resurfaces today as many journalists and pundits identify the neocons as a new generation driving the foreign policy of George W. Bush.
It's a label that doesn't quite fit, since those credited with influence are hardly "neo" anything. For the most part, the label is attributed to second-generation conservatives. Some are sons of the Scoop Jackson Democrats whose fathers have the last name of Podhoretz and Kristol, but the label as accurately understood has a much more inclusive intellectual base, including, for example, Vice President Dick Cheney; his wife, Lynne; Condoleezza Rice; Don Rumsfeld; and Paul Wolfowitz, the hugely influential deputy defense secretary.
The term, however, is disingenuously bandied about at dinner tables and policy meetings in London and Paris and elsewhere, where it is colorfully coded to suggest a Jewish conspiracy working on the White House.
A member of the French parliament, quoting Dominique de Villepin, the French defense minister, scoffed that "the hawks in the U.S. administration (are) in the hands of (Ariel) Sharon." This is a not-so-sly reference to the conservative Jews who are credited with converting the president to a sympathetic regard for Israel. Of course, those who cite a conspiracy or cabal continue to see the president as a dunce, whose tabula rasa is filled in by manipulative Jewish advisers.
Closer to home, the New York Observer, in a front page story under the headline "Neo-York, Neo-York," says the "neoconservative network is riding high." This requires stretching the definition beyond recognition, citing Rupert Murdoch, the publisher of the New York Post, the Weekly Standard and the Fox News Network.
"I have been amazed by the label of conspiracy-mongering around neocons," David Brooks, an editor at the Weekly Standard, tells the Observer. "I get it every day - the 'evil Jewish conspiracy.' The only distinction between 'neoconservative' and 'conservative' this way is circumcision. We actually started to call it the Axis of Circumcision."
Jay Nordlinger, an editor of the National Review, says the misuse of the term "neoconservative" as applied to him comes from reporters who are liberal, apolitical or stupidly political, "who know nothing about conservatism." He prefers the term "Reaganite."
Like Ronald Reagan, those who are called neocons today see the United States as a force for good against evil, and they're not afraid to speak in such terms. George W. Bush began to express that kind of thinking after Sept. 11, when everything changed.
"Evil still stalks the planet," Ronald Reagan told the Oxford Union Society in 1992. "Its ideology may be nothing more than bloodlust; no program more complex than economic plunder or military aggrandizement. But it is evil all the same. And wherever there are forces that would destroy the human spirit and diminish human potential, they must be recognized and they must be countered."
That sounds a lot like a lot of conservatives, neo- or not.
"Many of these hawks, called neocons, "
--Upon further review--
"Many of these hawks chickenhawks, called neocons, ...." Just who are some of these neo'coms' who have been in uniform in harm's way.
And thats it, right? Theres no Islamo-Fascist network of disgruntled fanatics out to destroy us, its all about a bunch of commie libs out to remake the world.
Oh, and I guess Buchanan isnt just another version of Lyndon Larouchie populist and Novak isnt just a pro-Arab status quo appeaser. Whatever you say.
The only people who use that code are the neocons themselves.
They'll use it to smear anybody who has a substantive disagreement with their political agenda.
In that respect, they remain remarkably faithful to their liberal roots.
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The only people who use that code are the neocons themselves.
They'll use it to smear anybody who has a substantive disagreement with their political agenda.
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Garbage. As loony as your maglev trains.
Neo'com' war plans for America must be having a 'Titanic' moment. They are in lifeboats hurrying away, denying responsibility and screaming smears as they go.
Meanwhile:
"Paleos" are frauds if they call themselves conservative. They are extreme eccentrics who were unemployable by the Reagan administration because of their nonpresentable social demeanor and wild-eyed fanaticism for what can never again be if ever it was. Their predecessors wore themselves out smooching the backsides of Hitler and Stalin and Mao and Ho Chi Minh in the hope that they would be loved by our enemies. Today they smooch Hussein (a lesser god to be sure). Pat Buchanan must ahve lost his mind to hang politically with such a menagerie of crackpots who are the "paleos." I voted twice for Buchanan but he can kiss off now. His reputation cannot be restored.
Carney complains about the Frum article (National Review, 4/03). He would make much of Frum being a pro-abort and that is fair, every bit as fair as demanding that the "paleos" account for such lavender queens as Justin Raimondo (foreign minister of the paleos) and his barf-bag worthy antiwar.com (don't believe me but check for yourself). Carney can also explain the anti-Semitism, racism, isolationism, border paranoia and a variety of libertine (libertarian) obsessives that so characterizes so many in "paleo" ranks. Frum is no prize but he understands the "paleos" far better than they understand themselves. Stopped clocks are right twice a day.
The neoconservatives (mostly over eighty and some dead) are: Norman Podhoretz, Midge Decter, Irving Kristol, Gertrude Himmelfarb, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Sidney Hook, Jeanne Kirkpatrick and a few others). They (mostly) fled the Demonratic Party when that party became pro-communist and anti-American with the nomination of George McGovern. Their foreign policy is very much that of the post-Pearl Harbor American conservative political movement.
Those accused of being merely "neoconservative" by leftist and "paleo" enemies of all respectable things conservative are, well, the conservative movement, which is to say: conservatives. Conservative foreign policy is interventionist and not cowardly or pantywaist. Neville Chamberlain was an early George McGovern or Tom Hayden or Justin Raimondo or John Kerry and not not an early Ronald Reagan or Dubya.
Conservative foreign and military policy does not consist of crawling on our knees begging to kiss the backsides of the enemies of our civilization so that monsters may adore or ignore us but of employing our military as necessary to kill our enemies (those monsters) and break their things.
John Forbes Kerry is a despicable excuse for a human being NOT because he served, however briefly, but because he libeled a generation of noble young men, far better men than Kerry ever was or would be, soldiers who did their part to exterminate communism but failed because of the lies of the John Kerrys and the William Sloane Coffins, and the Jane Fondas and the Tom Haydens and the Jerry Rubins and the Abbie Hoffmans and their ilk. Like Kerry, these are the true forebears of today's "paleo" "conservative," enemies of America, each and every one. They believe nothing worth fighting to defend and they are most certainly are NOT any kind of conservative.
no, neocon isn't code for jewish, although alot of the prominent neocons are Jews. We just have a little fun with cranks who post the latest screed from LewRockwell, LibertyPost, etc, because those Fortress Amerika-types seem to think our staunch support for Israel makes us their tool. They're not really anti-semnites, just mildly xenophobic.
Neocons are also luddites.
how exactly does one define a NeoCon?
A Neo-con, someone who understands it 2004
A Paleocon, Someone who wants it to be 1934
1. Why are Paleos so convinced that "Neos" care about their "real conservative" opinions? Guess what? THEY DON'T GIVE TWO FARTS.
2. Why can't they stop whining? Do they actually believe, with all their spiteful rhetoric, that any other group sympathizes with them? I am convinced that alot of "Paleos" and capital L Liberatarians are big liabilities to the Republican Party.
Willie, you've confused me. Luddite means "one who opposes technical or technological change". The only people here bitching about change are the Paleos. Explain, please?
And should! The world is too big to be "filled" by United States. Realistic policy is not to be everything for everyone - it is to participate in or manage multipolar balances. If done cleverly the power of others can be leverage to the advantage of the clever side. That is why Reagan administration was supporting Saddam Hussein.
If United States continue to follow old Spanish interventionist Great Armada strategy it will spend the resources and will cease to be a great power.
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