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Kerry says responsibility for prisoner abuse extends to the White House
AP ^ | 8/25/2004, 7:46 p.m. ET | NEDRA PICKLER

Posted on 08/25/2004 5:26:29 PM PDT by quantim

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Wednesday that civilian leaders in the White House and the Pentagon should be held accountable for abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

"Harry Truman had that sign on the desk and it said, 'The buck stops here,'" Kerry said. "The buck doesn't stop at the Pentagon."

Responding to an independent report that faulted all levels of the military for prisoner abuse, Kerry repeated his call for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to resign and for President Bush to appoint an independent commission. He said the commission should investigate "all of the chain of abuses that took place, and why they took place, including the civilian side."

"We are a country that runs on civilian leadership," Kerry said at the top of a town hall meeting at Steamfitters Local 420 Union. "What is also normal is that you have accountability that runs through the civilian command, and it is absolutely left out of those reports. It's absent."

Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt responded: "Today's political attack is just the latest example of John Kerry's willingness to say whatever he believes will benefit him politically."

A report released Tuesday by an independent panel led by former Defense Secretary James R. Schlesinger concluded that senior U.S. military leaders in Iraq and the Pentagon can be faulted for inattention to prisoner abuses, but it did not recommend that Rumsfeld step down.

Details of a second investigation, which focused on the military intelligence unit at Abu Ghraib prison during the abuses, were expected to be released Wednesday. That Army investigation, initially headed by Maj. Gen. George Fay, is expected to blame the intelligence unit and its commanders for some of the abuses at the Iraqi prison.

Kerry said both Rumsfeld and Bush should take responsibility. Minutes after he spoke at the town hall meeting, his campaign issued a statement from Kerry that said, "The time has come for our commander in chief to take charge."

Months before prisoner abuse in Iraq became known, Kerry called for Rumsfeld's resignation because of what he said were numerous mistakes in the prosecution of the war. In May, Kerry rejected concerns that replacing Rumsfeld could hurt the war effort and suggested any number of people could step in, including Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and John Warner of Virginia.

Later Wednesday, Kerry spoke to Wisconsin voters in the backyard of a Green Bay home. A woman rose and identified herself as a married mother of three who "came here to try to get a sense of who you are."

"Most of us are middle class," she said. "We clean our own houses and mow our own lawns. What is it about who you are that can help us understand whether you're really for real or not?"

Kerry said voters should judge him by his lifetime of public service. He said although he came from a "comfortable" background, his parents taught him the value of work and he unloaded trucks while in college and sold encyclopedias door to door. He also touted his choice to go to Vietnam "when others chose not to" and his anti-war activism after returning.

"I was compelled enough by what I've seen in war to try to end it so other people didn't have to go through what I'd gone through," Kerry said. "And I spent a number of years of my life working to do that at great risk and obviously, as you can see, with some controversy because some people didn't like it."

A television ad being run by the anti-Kerry Swift Boat Veterans for Truth criticizes Kerry's protests after the war.

Together, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin offer 31 of the 270 electoral college votes needed to win the presidency. Polls show the race nearly even in both states, though Kerry may be gaining ground in Pennsylvania.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abughraib; abughraibreport; kerry; pissant; rumsfeld
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1 posted on 08/25/2004 5:26:30 PM PDT by quantim
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ONE question for Kerry...

Were the atrocites you admitted committing in Vietnam worse than those in Abu Ghraib?

2 posted on 08/25/2004 5:27:56 PM PDT by ken5050 (Bill Clinton has just signed to be the national spokesman for Hummer..)
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To: quantim

They won't give that story up, even if none of us believed Rumsfeld or Bush were involved. They lost momentum on that one a long time ago though, despite all their efforts to keep it a BIG scandal.


3 posted on 08/25/2004 5:28:04 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: BonnieJ

They try, though, and the media will cooperate.


4 posted on 08/25/2004 5:31:29 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: quantim
John Kerry said Wednesday that civilian leaders in the White House and the Pentagon should be held accountable for abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison...

Kerry should be held responsible for certain abuses at the Hanoi Hilton.

Do Aholes and hypocrites ever come any bigger than this?

5 posted on 08/25/2004 5:32:10 PM PDT by Radix (John Kerry is finally not going to do a 180, especially when it comes to releasing his form 180!)
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Geez, given enough alcohol I might stand naked with panties on my head. That's not real abuse. Real abuse is undergoing physical torture and mutilation.

The last time the media rode this non-story an American's head was cut off. Whose side are they on? They have blood on their hands.

6 posted on 08/25/2004 5:32:14 PM PDT by kcar (www.TheUNsucks.com)
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To: quantim
This from the self confessed war criminal. Burning villages, free firing into people just living their lives of desperation. Shooting at civilians in their boats.

Senator, how does that compare to putting women's underwear on a suspected terrorist's head.

7 posted on 08/25/2004 5:32:15 PM PDT by OldFriend (WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
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To: quantim

More desperate accusations from the man who has no better ideas.


8 posted on 08/25/2004 5:32:59 PM PDT by NetValue (They're not Americans, they're democrats. They hate the US Constitution.)
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To: quantim

Kerry is a certified lunatic. The WH should be laughing off anything Kerry comes up with and simply point out that Kerry is too unstable to be President. Can you imagine this guy with nukes?


9 posted on 08/25/2004 5:33:41 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: ken5050

After this election, Kerry will become as insignificant as Al Gore.


10 posted on 08/25/2004 5:34:31 PM PDT by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: MEG33

(This graphic "borrowed" from MyTwoCents)

11 posted on 08/25/2004 5:34:52 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: quantim

Wow.
Kerry accusing the military of atrocities yet again.
Apparently, he is trying to short up his base, no?


12 posted on 08/25/2004 5:35:14 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: quantim
Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt responded: "Today's political attack is just the latest example of John Kerry's willingness to say whatever he believes will benefit him politically.

Kerry says..Kerry says...Kerry says....ad nauseum. Hollow man.

13 posted on 08/25/2004 5:35:39 PM PDT by afnamvet (USAF Tuy Hoa AFB RVN 68-69 NOT FONDA KERRY!)
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To: MamaLucci

Just PERFECT!


14 posted on 08/25/2004 5:36:20 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: quantim

Can we say, "grasping at straws?" How pathetic.


15 posted on 08/25/2004 5:36:33 PM PDT by VegasBaby
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Desperation in the Kerry camp prevails ... they're throwing crap at the side of the barn door in a panic ... hoping something will stick. Ain't going to happen ...
16 posted on 08/25/2004 5:37:23 PM PDT by BluH2o
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He also touted his choice to go to Vietnam "when others chose not to" and his anti-war activism after returning.

I thought that it was proven that kerry asked for a student deferment and was denied. He never volunteered to go to Viet Nam

17 posted on 08/25/2004 5:37:46 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: MamaLucci

LOL


18 posted on 08/25/2004 5:37:54 PM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: quantim
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Wednesday that civilian leaders in the White House and the Pentagon should be held accountable for abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

Who again is accountable for cutting off heads ears and electrifying genitals ? oh yea YOU Mr Kerry SCUMBAG !

19 posted on 08/25/2004 5:38:00 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Want to know why I don't vote Democrat?" http://www.museumofleftwinglunacy.com)
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To: MEG33
Not QUITE perfect..........I forgot the caption:


John Kerry's Band of Brothers

20 posted on 08/25/2004 5:38:34 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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