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Bring it on, John (Ollie North)
Townhall ^ | August 27, 2004 | Oliver North

Posted on 08/26/2004 10:25:18 PM PDT by Elkiejg

"Of course, the president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: 'Bring it on.'" -- Sen. John Kerry

Dear John,

As usual, you have it wrong. You don't have a beef with President George Bush about your war record. He's been exceedingly generous about your military service. Your complaint is with the 2.5 million of us who served honorably in a war that ended 29 years ago and which you, not the president, made the centerpiece of this campaign.

I talk to a lot of vets, John, and this really isn't about your medals or how you got them. Like you, I have a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. I only have two Purple Hearts, though. I turned down the others so that I could stay with the Marines in my rifle platoon. But I think you might agree with me, though I've never heard you say it, that the officers always got more medals than they earned and the youngsters we led never got as many medals as they deserved.

This really isn't about how early you came home from that war, either, John. There have always been guys in every war who want to go home. There are also lots of guys, like those in my rifle platoon in Vietnam, who did a full 13 months in the field. And there are, thankfully, lots of young Americans today in Iraq and Afghanistan who volunteered to return to war because, as one of them told me in Ramadi a few weeks ago, "the job isn't finished."

Nor is this about whether you were in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968. Heck John, people get lost going on vacation. If you got lost, just say so. Your campaign has admitted that you now know that you really weren't in Cambodia that night and that Richard Nixon wasn't really president when you thought he was. Now would be a good time to explain to us how you could have all that bogus stuff "seared" into your memory -- especially since you want to have your finger on our nation's nuclear trigger.

But that's not really the problem, either. The trouble you're having, John, isn't about your medals or coming home early or getting lost -- or even Richard Nixon. The issue is what you did to us when you came home, John.

When you got home, you co-founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War and wrote "The New Soldier," which denounced those of us who served -- and were still serving -- on the battlefields of a thankless war. Worst of all, John, you then accused me -- and all of us who served in Vietnam -- of committing terrible crimes and atrocities.

On April 22, 1971, under oath, you told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that you had knowledge that American troops "had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam." And you admitted on television that "yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed."

And for good measure you stated, "(America is) more guilty than any other body, of violations of (the) Geneva Conventions ... the torture of prisoners, the killing of prisoners."

Your "antiwar" statements and activities were painful for those of us carrying the scars of Vietnam and trying to move on with our lives. And for those who were still there, it was even more hurtful. But those who suffered the most from what you said and did were the hundreds of American prisoners of war being held by Hanoi. Here's what some of them endured because of you, John:

Capt. James Warner had already spent four years in Vietnamese custody when he was handed a copy of your testimony by his captors. Warner says that for his captors, your statements "were proof I deserved to be punished." He wasn't released until March 14, 1973.

Maj. Kenneth Cordier, an Air Force pilot who was in Vietnamese custody for 2,284 days, says his captors "repeated incessantly" your one-liner about being "the last man to die" for a lost cause. Cordier was released March 4, 1973.

Navy Lt. Paul Galanti says your accusations "were as demoralizing as solitary (confinement) ... and a prime reason the war dragged on." He remained in North Vietnamese hands until February 12, 1973.

John, did you think they would forget? When Tim Russert asked about your claim that you and others in Vietnam committed "atrocities," instead of standing by your sworn testimony, you confessed that your words "were a bit over the top." Does that mean you lied under oath? Or does it mean you are a war criminal? You can't have this one both ways, John. Either way, you're not fit to be a prison guard at Abu Ghraib, much less commander in chief.

One last thing, John. In 1988, Jane Fonda said: "I would like to say something ... to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm ... very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families."

Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?


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Give him H*LL Ollie.
1 posted on 08/26/2004 10:25:18 PM PDT by Elkiejg
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To: Elkiejg

Good for Oliver North for his clear views.
Great article.


2 posted on 08/26/2004 10:31:24 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: Elkiejg

I don't think Ketchup Boy will ever apologize for two reasons:

1) His ego is too big;
2) He still thinks he did nothing wrong.


3 posted on 08/26/2004 10:31:28 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("I'm just a gigolo, and everywhere I go, people know I'm lyin' about 'Nam".....)
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To: Elkiejg

Quick. How long before the Kerryers demand President Bush tell Oliver North to STFU?


4 posted on 08/26/2004 10:32:12 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: Elkiejg

Thank you Ollie, I've been waiting for you to speak up.


5 posted on 08/26/2004 10:32:37 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider ((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!))
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To: Elkiejg

"But ollie north wasn't in john kerry's swift boat - how can he dare criticize him????"


6 posted on 08/26/2004 10:32:58 PM PDT by flashbunny (Kerry helped move jobs to china - http://www.flashbunny.org/commentary/kerryoutsourced.html)
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To: Elkiejg

Oooorah!

I was wondering when Ollie would weigh in.


7 posted on 08/26/2004 10:33:46 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Elkiejg

Go Ollie Go! Hit Kerry where it'll hurt the most;he has a glass jaw anyway.


8 posted on 08/26/2004 10:35:49 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Elkiejg; Sarah; ABG(anybody but Gore)

9 posted on 08/26/2004 10:36:02 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Elkiejg

BUMP!!!
This is outstanding!


10 posted on 08/26/2004 10:36:10 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

"") His ego is too big; "

I agree totally. If he does do some kind of 'apology' it will either be a clinton-apology (I didn't do anything wrong) or an apology quickly followed by an attack on bush to try to make it all seem like bush's fault he had to apologize.


11 posted on 08/26/2004 10:36:58 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Elkiejg

Ollie is a good guy. Great piece.


12 posted on 08/26/2004 10:37:09 PM PDT by walden
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To: Elkiejg
Good letter. Will it be published in any newspapers, or only online?

Kerry would apologize if it would help him politically. Would anyone believe him, though?

I didn't realize Jane Fonda had said that. However, like a murderer apologizing before his execution day, it's not quite good enough. But it's better than not doing so.

13 posted on 08/26/2004 10:37:59 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Elkiejg

Great work Ollie. I learned something new too. I didn't know Fonda apologized. At least she did that, which is more than we can say for Kerry.


14 posted on 08/26/2004 10:39:40 PM PDT by Tom_Busch (Vote Bush/Cheney in 2004)
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To: Elkiejg

Dang, Ollie...THAT left a mark!

By the way, some who have read my posts know that I had a "fence-sitter" concerning this election, someone who saw "Fraud-n-hype 911" and claimed to want to hear "both sides", while constantly spewing out the Dim talking points. (almost like Rush's "seminar callers")

Well, I am happy to report that, 68 days out, she has made up her mind. She has agreed that there is one person who is more likely to keep us safe, and to aggressively prosecute the War on Terror...and he's already in office.

She will be voting for President George W. Bush.


15 posted on 08/26/2004 10:40:23 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (I approve this message: character and integrity matter. Bush/Cheney '04)
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider; Hugin
Thank you Ollie, I've been waiting for you to speak up.
I was wondering when Ollie would weigh in.

Ollie was on Hannity's radio show a week ago talking about Kerry and the Swift Boat Vets. He said many of the same kind of things that he has written here. It was a terrific interview, and Ollie is clearly disgusted by Kerry and his ilk.

16 posted on 08/26/2004 10:40:34 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Elkiejg

He won't apologize because he knows if he does he is toast. He's toast anyway but he thinks he has a chance because Howard Dean keeps telling him he does.


17 posted on 08/26/2004 10:40:53 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: Elkiejg

What a guy! Go, Ollie!


18 posted on 08/26/2004 10:41:08 PM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: California Patriot

Here's your answer.


19 posted on 08/26/2004 10:41:27 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: Elkiejg

I heard Ollie say much of this on Fox last night....it finally clarified what the Vets are really upset about.


20 posted on 08/26/2004 10:41:43 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he issued some sort of apology. He'll say anything to get into the White House. Will he mean it? Of course not. It'll be a purely political maneuver, but he will be aided by the lamestream who will report over and over how sincere he is and how it has nothing to do with his Presidential run. It'll be completely transparent to us and, or course to the left, with the mushy middle actually having to chew on it a while to decide whether or not they believe him, which is the whole point anyway.
Go get 'em Ollie!


22 posted on 08/26/2004 10:42:38 PM PDT by kenth
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To: Elkiejg

Kerry's met his match in Olly.


23 posted on 08/26/2004 10:42:50 PM PDT by bamaroots04 (Kerry/Edwards Platform: A lie told often enough becomes the truth)
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To: Elkiejg

Ollie Mania continues!!!


24 posted on 08/26/2004 10:43:09 PM PDT by Deb (Lee Harvey Oswald Served With Honor.)
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To: Elkiejg
I talk to a lot of vets, John, and this really isn't about your medals or how you got them. Like you, I have a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. I only have two Purple Hearts, though. I turned down the others so that I could stay with the Marines in my rifle platoon.

This is one of my favorite passages.

25 posted on 08/26/2004 10:43:30 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Elkiejg

Ollie should be our next Secretary of State.


26 posted on 08/26/2004 10:43:59 PM PDT by datura (If Kerry wins, we all lose. BIG TIME!! Invest in steel, copper, and lead - while you can.)
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To: Elkiejg

btt


27 posted on 08/26/2004 10:45:40 PM PDT by drq
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To: Lancey Howard

Yep, it's outstanding isn't it? That last sentence evidences the world of difference between John Kerry and real men like Ollie North.


28 posted on 08/26/2004 10:45:52 PM PDT by kenth
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

29 posted on 08/26/2004 10:47:00 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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FoxFan ping! (Ollie North)

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my FoxFan list. *Warning: This can be a high-volume ping list at times.

30 posted on 08/26/2004 10:48:32 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE; jwalsh07; doug from upland

ping!


31 posted on 08/26/2004 10:51:32 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: Elkiejg

Semper Fi, Ollie

Finally the undying hatred for Hanoi John has been spelled out without partisanship blocking their brain to pen connection.


32 posted on 08/26/2004 10:52:56 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: Elkiejg

Wonderful!!!


33 posted on 08/26/2004 10:53:35 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Elkiejg

It's amazing, you can feel the festering anger. It's healing time folks. This time the battle of Vietnam is going to be won, and all those vets who have been POWs for the last 35 years are finally going to be free.


34 posted on 08/26/2004 10:54:30 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: nutmeg
Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?

You're right. I forgot about it. Good point.

35 posted on 08/26/2004 10:55:48 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry, release your records as GW did. Prove you were in Cambodia under Nixon in 1968)
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To: Elkiejg

Kerry's got to know that an apology goes NOWHERE. Who accepts on behalf of the dead?


36 posted on 08/26/2004 10:56:59 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: Elkiejg
The man is a class act...gee..can you imagine being told that you are not even fit to guard Abu Ghraib. That is one slam that sinister kerry wouldn't get up from quickly. Good post.......not only did he (sinister) betray the Vets I wonder if he realizes that he has blood on his hands of many good and honorable men. It would be hard to sleep at night. Who is Jane pitching for???
37 posted on 08/26/2004 10:57:28 PM PDT by marmar (Faith is a beautiful thing.....)
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To: Elkiejg

ping


38 posted on 08/26/2004 11:04:02 PM PDT by boycott
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To: kenth

Kerry and Co. have vehemently defended his "Genghis Khan" war-crimes statements throughout the campaign, while the Dems stand by him at their own peril. How would Kerry have responded to Abu Ghraib???


39 posted on 08/26/2004 11:04:42 PM PDT by bamaroots04 (Kerry/Edwards Platform: A lie told often enough becomes the truth)
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To: Elkiejg
I copied, pasted and e-mailed.

Let the world know what an unfit scum sKerry really is.

40 posted on 08/26/2004 11:09:20 PM PDT by Kate of Spice Island ('Effin the ineffible since '91." FirstIAmAUSSoldier and I approve of this message...)
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To: Elkiejg
Thank You OLIVER NORTH

You have said it better than anyone I have heard or read of since the Swifties had their first press appearance on C-SPAN.

The FACT that even today, the portraits of Kerry and Jane Fonda are revered in the War Ramnants Museum in Hanoi, make the quotes of the POW's that much more damning.
An apology would be appropriate, but sadly insufficient, in my opinion. You've NAILED IT, Major North!
41 posted on 08/26/2004 11:09:28 PM PDT by skeptoid
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To: Elkiejg



Positively thee best "dear John" letter ever written.


42 posted on 08/26/2004 11:13:57 PM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: Elkiejg

Great article. Go get em Ollie! I hope president Bush reads this.


43 posted on 08/26/2004 11:17:48 PM PDT by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democrat party- Save USA,-Vote a Dem out of office)
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To: Elkiejg

Ollie is being too kind here. I heard him say that John Kerry personally lied about him (Ollie) in testimony before the Senate. (Iran-Contra)


44 posted on 08/26/2004 11:19:17 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: Elkiejg
Good words by the Colonel.

Now if John Mccain would get behind this it would attract a lot more national attention.

....I still say McCain should be driving a Budeweiser delivery route in Mesa.

45 posted on 08/26/2004 11:28:25 PM PDT by Khurkris (Proud Scottish/HillBilly - We perfected "The Art of the Grudge")
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To: Elkiejg
"Either way, you're not fit to be a prison guard at Abu Ghraib, much less commander in chief.

BINGO! Ollie tells it like it is.

46 posted on 08/26/2004 11:29:18 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: Elkiejg

Wow...excellent!


47 posted on 08/26/2004 11:30:32 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: taxesareforever

Kerry calls a press conference to apologize:

"For the past several weeks, I, John Kerry, have been the victim of a cruel, dishonest, and dishonorable smear campaign against my record in Vietnam. This smear campaign was orchestrated by George Bush & Karl Rove, as has been documented by independent and non-partisan organizations ranging from the New York Times to MoveOn.org. There are those who say I should have ignored these scurrilous attacks on my honor and dignity, but if there is one thing I learned as a Swiftboat commander in Vietnam, it is the importance of charging directly into enemy fire. In Vietnam, I was a leader of a band of brothers. Of the millions of Americans who served there, only 254 have joined the so-called Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, and none of those 254 served on my swiftboat for the entire period I was there. None were present on all three occasions when I won purple hearts. I still have shrapnel in my leg from one of those incidents. None were in any position to see absolutely everything that occurred on the occasions when I won my silver and bronze stars.

In addition to the Bush campaign attacking my war record, I have been smeared for my testimony at a 1971 congressional hearing where I defended my band of brothers by exposing what others had said about them. I told the committee that there were allegations that American soldiers cut off heads, burned down villages, and ravaged the countryside like the armies of Genghis Khan. I made it clear at the time that these were allegations made by others, and in any event it was the fault of Richard Nixon if such incidents occurred. Yet, the Republican smear campaign has tried to put words in my mouth. Having fought in Vietnam, commanded a swiftboat under intense enemy fire, led a band of brothers, won numerous awards, including three purple hearts, and still carrying shrapnel in my leg, I know a smear operation when I see one. The Republican smear is ironically similar to one launched against me by the Vietcong. Recognizing my effectiveness as a fighter, and fearing me, they took my speech out of context and broadcasted it to American prisoners of war in a blatant attempt to turn them against me.

I have also been smeared with an allegation that I met in Paris with Vietcong leaders and supported their demand for U.S. capitulation and reparations. In fact, I was visiting Paris on a vacation. As many of you know, I speak fluent French, which was a great benefit to me when commanding a Swiftboat in Vietnam, a former French colony. And, I might add, that during my tenure as a Swiftboat commander, I received a silver star, a bronze star, three purple hearts, and was regarded as a hero by my band of brothers. While in Paris, I learned of the Vietcong meeting and, through my many connections with foreign leaders....who, by the way, support my candidacy because they recognize the dangerous unilateral and un-nuanced nature of the Bush foreign policy.....I found out what was going on and reported it when I came back to America. As with my congressional testimony, I was merely reporting what I had heard. I did this to help the CIA, with whom I had developed a close relationship during secret black ops activities in Cambodia.

Despite all I have done for my country, I find myself under continuous, scurrilous, and....as Senator McCain has called it....dishonest and dishonorable attack. I thus apologize to all those veterans who have been misled about my record. I'm sorry I did not respond sooner to the attacks on my record. Perhaps I should have, but if there's anything I learned during my secret operations in Cambodia, it's that sometimes it's best to remain quiet. Unfortunately, I am now facing an opponent more depraved and ugly than the Khmer Rouge, namely the Karl Rove smear machine.

I hope that with this apology we can now return to the real issues of this campaign, such as how George Bush was AWOL from the National Guard."


48 posted on 08/26/2004 11:30:56 PM PDT by puroresu
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To: Elkiejg
Wow! What an exceptionally eloquent evisceration of Ketchup Boy!

WTG, LTC North!

49 posted on 08/26/2004 11:31:53 PM PDT by SAJ (Today is optimum. Write LBX 460 or 470-strike calls.. About 14% roc with expectation > .94)
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To: SAJ

Am I the only guy who thinks we won the Vietnam War?

US versus North Vietnam was settled right after Tet, where the Viet Cong became an extinct species.

The real war was with Soviet Russia.

A country I can't seem to find on the map anymore.


50 posted on 08/26/2004 11:37:08 PM PDT by jeffers
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