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Posted on 08/27/2004 12:02:32 PM PDT by Juan Medén
Friday, August 27, 2004
A captured al-Qaeda operative has told Canadian intelligence investigators that a Montreal man who trained in Afghanistan alongside the 9/11 hijackers was responsible for the crash of an American Airlines flight in New York three years ago.
Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents were told during five days of interviews with the source that Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen also known as Farouk the Tunisian, had downed the plane with explosives on Nov. 12, 2001.
The source claimed Jdey had used his Canadian passport to board Flight 587 and "conducted a suicide mission" with a small bomb similar to the one used by convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid, a "Top Secret" Canadian government report says.
But officials said it was unlikely Jdey was actually involved in the crash, which killed 265 people and is considered accidental. The fact that al-Qaeda attributed the crash to Jdey, however, suggests they were expecting him to attack a plane.
"We have seen no evidence of anything other than an accident here," said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. "There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us -- that there was any criminality involved here. It appears, at least the evidence we have, is that a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin."
Jdey, 39, came to Canada from Tunisia in 1991 and became a citizen in 1995. Shortly after getting his Canadian passport, he left for Afghanistan and trained with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers, according to the 9/11 commission in the United States.
He recorded a "martyrdom" video, but was dropped from the 9/11 mission after returning to Canada in the summer of 2001. The planner of the World Trade Center attack, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, claims Jdey was recruited for a "second wave" of suicide attacks.
The FBI issued an alert seeking Jdey's whereabouts in 2002. John Ashcroft, the U.S. Attorney-General, told a news conference in May that Jdey was one of seven al-Qaeda associates "sought in connection with the possible terrorist threats in the United States."
The information on Jdey's alleged role in the plane crash is contained in a memo on captured Canadian al-Qaeda operative Mohammed Mansour Jabarah. The Canadian government memo was written in May, 2002, and was based on information provided by a "source of unknown reliability."
Jabarah is a 22-year-old from St. Catharines who allegedly joined al-Qaeda and convinced Osama bin Laden to give him a terror assignment. He was tasked with overseeing a suicide-bombing operation in Southeast Asia, but was caught and has since pleaded guilty in the United States.
The report, which was sent to the Philippine National Police intelligence directorate, recounts what Jabarah said he was told about the U.S. plane crash by Abu Abdelrahman, a Saudi al-Qaeda member who was working for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
"In discussions, Abu Abdelrahman mentioned AL QAIDA was responsible for the assassination of Massoud, the Northern Alliance leader," the report says. "According to the source, Abu Abdelrahman added that the 12 November 2001 plane crash (btb American Airlines flight 587) in Queens, New York was not an accident as reported in the press but was actually an AL QAIDA operation.
"Abu Abdelrahman informed Jabarah that Farouk the Tunisian conducted a suicide mission on the aeroplane using a shoe bomb of the type used by Richard Reid .... 'Farouk the Tunisian' was identified from newspaper photographs as being identical to Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen who had resided in Montreal."
Jabarah was initially suspect of the claim about Jdey, but he later believed it after he saw the same information on a "mujahedin Web site," the report says.
© National Post 2004
"Moments after the plane took off, witnesses said they saw what appeared to be an explosion. Parts of the plane began breaking away and wreckage was found in at least four locations, Giuliani said."
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/11/12/newyork.crash/
Can flight 800 be far behind?
Interesting..........Hmmmm.....
I've always thought 587 was no accident; but I recall the mood of the time -- a month after 911 -- and if it had been announced as terrorism I am certain it would have both panicked the country all over again, and been a death knell for the airline industry -- not to mention given terrorists another "victory." I think a decision was made to declare the disaster "accidental" -- and it may have been the right decision.
duplicate thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201030/posts
A lying cover up could never be the "right" decision. A lot of Freepers were skeptical of the governments explanation, paticularly there seemingly immidiate proclimation that there was "no evidence of terrorism." If the administration lied or covered up they will burn for it. And rightfully so I think.
I always thought 587 was very suspicious.
I don't know anyone who ever believed it was an accident.
Poit well made, but I stand by my position. In the climate of those times -- just a month after 911 and in the midst of the anthrax scare -- another successful terrorism incident would have caused widespread panic. Unquestionably. If a cover story was created to keep some semblance of calm amonst the people, and deny the terrorists another "victory," I think there were legitimate reasons for it, given the circumstances.
interesting. bump
Another cover-up from the clinton camp?
It was always expected that TWA 800 was taken down. The only ones that don't believe it is the US Government. Passenger jets just don't crash like that.
"We have seen no evidence of anything other than an accident here," said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. "There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us -- that there was any criminality involved here. It appears, at least the evidence we have, is that a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin."
The cabin wasn't mentioned. They reported that Jabarra had a shoe bomb. He wouldn't need the cabin. Light the shoe, kick back and let the altatude do the rest.
This is major news. Remember, at the time it was announced that it was not terrorism.
Hey Juan.
Original thread for this story here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201030/posts
The unclear resolution of this story is strange. Jdey, the person in question, was either on that flight or he was not. There is, presumably, a list of all of the people on that flight. That list is less than 300 long. Most if not all of those people had survivors, co-workers, or acquaintances, who would remember who they were. If there is a name "Jdey" on the passenger list, we have reasonable grounds on circumstantial alone to surmise that it was indeed terrorism until proven otherwise. If there is a name "Joe Schmoe" which looks suspiciously like an alias, because there is little record of this person in other contexts, nobody remembers him, his home address is a PO Box, etc, etc, that's almost as good. It's really not that difficult and the government's "we just don't know, based on the evidence we have" doesn't pass the smell test. That they would not have looked into it, is ridiculous.
When the government issues what are on the face of it vague, silly, strangely-cautiously-worded denials like this it's almost enough to surmise that there is something to the story.
If the Fibbies issued an alert on Jdey in 2002, he obviously was not on AA587. Or does the Religion of Peace offer reincarnation when one is tuckered out by 72 virgins?
I know people who worked the accident investigation. None of them think there was a coverup.
did anybody ever really believe this mysterious plane crash in N.Y.C. was an accident?
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