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John Glenn urges Bush to condemn swift boat ads (new claim: Kerry was shot in 'Nam, kept fighting)
AP/Mercury News ^ | 8-27-04

Posted on 08/27/2004 4:03:11 PM PDT by ambrose

Posted on Fri, Aug. 27, 2004

Glenn urges Bush to condemn swift boat ads

CARRIE SPENCER

Associated Press

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Retired U.S. Sen. John Glenn said Friday that President Bush should take time in his Ohio visit Saturday to condemn ads attacking Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's military record in the Vietnam War.

Political strategists say the Kerry campaign needs to fight back against the ads questioning his rescue of a crew mate and the wounds that won him three purple hearts, but runs the risk of tiring voters eager to hear about jobs and education.

The ads by the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ran for just one week in three states but have generated intense media publicity, and polls this week showed Kerry slipping slightly.

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Ohioan Pat Runyon, who introduced Glenn, told about 200 supporters at a union hall that he went on a nighttime raid with Kerry on a three-man boat in Vietnam, and that Kerry returned fire even after getting shot.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kerry; sbv; swiftboatveterans
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1 posted on 08/27/2004 4:03:11 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose

John Glenn, another sell out.


2 posted on 08/27/2004 4:04:02 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: ambrose

my God, they really can't help themselves can they


3 posted on 08/27/2004 4:04:21 PM PDT by Dr Snide (vis pacem, para bellum - Prepare for war if you want peace)
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To: Cap'n Crunch

"Waaaaa! Mommy, make him stop!! It's not FAIR!!!"


4 posted on 08/27/2004 4:05:15 PM PDT by John Thornton
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To: ambrose

This is what happens when we send a "RAT" into space!


5 posted on 08/27/2004 4:05:20 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: ambrose
...and that Kerry returned fire even after getting shot.

Even Kerry doesn't claim that he ever got shot. We can ignore this guy's "testimony" completely.

6 posted on 08/27/2004 4:05:48 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: ambrose

This is just beyond ludicrous. Has there been a single prominent Democratic politician who has condemned Michael Moore for his foul lies and distortions and unfair impugning of the President's character?


7 posted on 08/27/2004 4:06:20 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: ambrose

It is absolutely impossible to keep up with each version of the events. They can't keep the stories straight. Was Runyon the liar on the Boston whaler or was it Zaldonis? Because Admiral Schaecte was there. I say polygraphs for everyone starting with JF'nK.


8 posted on 08/27/2004 4:06:33 PM PDT by hansel
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To: ambrose

something 'bout them Keating 5 boyz .. ;-)


9 posted on 08/27/2004 4:07:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ............... http://www.freekerrybook.com/ 'The New Soldier' in pdf format FRee!!!)
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To: ambrose

My precious Lord, they have lost their collective minds.


10 posted on 08/27/2004 4:07:15 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: ambrose

My precious Lord, they have lost their collective minds.


11 posted on 08/27/2004 4:07:15 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: Cap'n Crunch

That little space trip for Glenn keeps getting more and more expensive.

Glenn will never be done with the payback.


12 posted on 08/27/2004 4:08:21 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: ambrose
Kerry returned fire even after getting shot whats up with that? he would have put in for the Congressional Medal of Honor (apologies to all CMH recipients for the defamation)
13 posted on 08/27/2004 4:08:36 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: Cap'n Crunch

It's sad that Glenn would sully his name like this, too bad.


14 posted on 08/27/2004 4:09:12 PM PDT by tioga (Flush the johns in '04!)
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To: ambrose

My grandfather was wounded twice during the battle of the bulge + lost the hearing in one ear not to mention losing some toes to frostbite. I don't think he received any medals. I guess he figured he had a job to do and went back to the line.


15 posted on 08/27/2004 4:09:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (John Kerry thinks YOU are an idiot.)
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To: Bahbah
My precious Lord, they have lost their collective minds.

I must disagree! They gave up their minds years ago. This proves they've gone and lost their receipts.

16 posted on 08/27/2004 4:09:33 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: ambrose
Political strategists say the Kerry campaign needs to fight back against the ads questioning his rescue of a crew mate and the wounds that won him three purple hearts, but runs the risk of tiring voters eager to hear about jobs and education.

Yeah, "'political strategists' say...". OK, AP. More like, "The DNC says....".

Why doesn't the MSM just start putting "DNC" in the byline? For once I'd like to hear a news reader (Oh, I'm sorry--"journalist") say, "...and now, a news story ripped directly from our DNC fax machine!".

17 posted on 08/27/2004 4:10:04 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Ummm, Zell Miller maybe.


18 posted on 08/27/2004 4:11:25 PM PDT by good_ole_texas_boy
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To: ambrose
Ohioan Pat Runyon, . . . Kerry returned fire even after getting shot

May have seen a different movie.

19 posted on 08/27/2004 4:11:42 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: randog

Like everyone wasn't already tired of hearing about Vietnam from Kerry years ago!


21 posted on 08/27/2004 4:12:04 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: ambrose

For only being over there four months, it seems he went on at least 8500 missions.


22 posted on 08/27/2004 4:12:09 PM PDT by microgood
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To: ambrose

Do the fools believe this ridiculous tactic is going to get Kerry off the hook?


23 posted on 08/27/2004 4:13:13 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (I spent Chanukah in the Hamptons, and Christmas in Cambodia.)
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To: Cap'n Crunch

W keeps saying kerry served honorably and should be proud of his military sevice.
great, i would add.. it's his 19 year service that needs to be questioned.
start playing hardball. those idiots are.


24 posted on 08/27/2004 4:13:36 PM PDT by rineaux (hardcore for W04)
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To: ambrose
condemn ads attacking Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's military record in the Vietnam War.

He can't. It's against CFR laws. Sheesh!
Plus, Bush has nothing to do with it. It's Kerry vs Vets. Kerry is reaping his own Karma.

PS...Hannity has a film of Kerry burning down a village.
Novack says the Vets also have the man who signed the medical paper for Kerry's first purple heart. (Dems said the name on the paper was not the guy that said he treated Kerry, so they got the guy on the paper, too.)

25 posted on 08/27/2004 4:13:57 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: ambrose

Sounds like Kerry's "witness" forgot to read his crib notes.


26 posted on 08/27/2004 4:14:15 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: ambrose

Glenn will always be remembered as Clinton's smarmy defense attorney during the impeachment.


27 posted on 08/27/2004 4:14:17 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: ambrose

LOL


28 posted on 08/27/2004 4:14:28 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: ambrose
Ohioan Pat Runyon, who introduced Glenn, told about 200 supporters at a union hall that he went on a nighttime raid with Kerry on a three-man boat in Vietnam, and that Kerry returned fire even after getting shot.

People who just move on to more outrageous lies when they are caught in a lie do not end well. It usually ends up involving burly guys wearing white.

29 posted on 08/27/2004 4:14:34 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: randog

The problem with them is, they really THINK they are fair and balanced.


30 posted on 08/27/2004 4:14:38 PM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (When the government seeks to give the people all they want, it will soon take all they have.)
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To: ambrose
Ohioan Pat Runyon, who introduced Glenn, told about 200 supporters at a union hall that he went on a nighttime raid with Kerry on a three-man boat in Vietnam, and that Kerry returned fire even after getting shot.

A FOURTH Purple Heart!!!!? None of the other PH's involved a bullet.

31 posted on 08/27/2004 4:14:52 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: hansel
Was Runyon the liar on the Boston whaler or was it Zaldonis?

Well, since Runyon is saying Kerry was shot, it appears Runyon has the faulty recollection.

Gardner was not on the Boston Whaler that night. Schachte was the OIC. Kerry was on training mission. The two enlisted guys on the boat (Zaldonis and Runyon) that night don't remember that Schachte was on there. But logic would dictate, you don't put a new officer on a training mission without an experienced officer being present. Schacte's call sign was Batman. Kerry's was Robin. POW!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1200338/posts?page=30#30 <-- 1st PH

32 posted on 08/27/2004 4:15:22 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cap'n Crunch

If Bush condemns the swiftboat vets, then Kerry should condemn moveon.org


33 posted on 08/27/2004 4:15:41 PM PDT by navygal (God loves all sinners, just not the sin.)
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To: ambrose

Until these Democrats get around to condemning Michael Moore, MoveOn.Org and a host of other negative ad producers, I believe they can just shut the hell up.


34 posted on 08/27/2004 4:15:57 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Democrats. They want to have their cake and eat yours too.)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

john glenn?

Is that the guy who almost had his job outsourced to Coco the space chimp?


35 posted on 08/27/2004 4:16:38 PM PDT by embedded_rebel
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To: CA Conservative
I heard that after getting shot that he continued to return fire for 12 hours. Eventually he singlehandedly drove back a group of 40 Viet Cong and captured a POW camp freeing 25 of our soldiers who for some reason are all going to vote for George Bush..:)
36 posted on 08/27/2004 4:16:51 PM PDT by etradervic (Kerry is a Left-Wing Dinosaur)
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To: ambrose

Why does this remind me of that audio clip on Boortz's web site called "Boo Got Shot?"


37 posted on 08/27/2004 4:17:02 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: tioga

Glenn's been a big leftist all of his political life.


38 posted on 08/27/2004 4:17:45 PM PDT by rushmom
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To: ambrose

Gosh, if we could just see Kerry's medical records we would know if he got shot. That would end it.


39 posted on 08/27/2004 4:17:58 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Prime Choice
Until these Democrats get around to condemning Michael Moore, MoveOn.Org and a host of other negative ad producers, I believe they can just shut the hell up.

Yep. This pouting means the Vets 527 is working, and the Dems 527's are not (no one is paying attention to those).

40 posted on 08/27/2004 4:17:59 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: etradervic

John Kerry is really...Rambo.


41 posted on 08/27/2004 4:18:24 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: ambrose
Ohioan Pat Runyon, who introduced Glenn, told about 200 supporters at a union hall that he went on a nighttime raid with Kerry on a three-man boat in Vietnam, and that Kerry returned fire even after getting shot.

Didn't Novak's column knock this guy out of the water today?

Question for Runyon: How come Kerry waited until all of the witnesses had left Nam before he applied for his Purple Heart for being "shot"?

42 posted on 08/27/2004 4:18:26 PM PDT by jackbill
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Ohioan Pat Runyon, . . . Kerry returned fire even after getting shot

May have seen a different movie.

Runyon was one of the guys (allegedly) on the whaler that night along with (allegedly) a guy named Zaldonis.

One of the said he didn't know if they received fire, the other said he didn't even know that kerry was wounded until they got back.

The only one with an unambigous story is Schacte, the training officer, who says he was on the boat and that there was no enemy fire.

43 posted on 08/27/2004 4:19:05 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Dr Snide

Maybe Nixon sent Kerry a BB gun for Christmas when Kerry was in Cambodia. Almost put his eye oout with it.


44 posted on 08/27/2004 4:19:08 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: ambrose

Busd did but not good enough for the MSM.

This from an thread earlier today by JohnHuang2.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1200948/posts

Speaking to reporters on Monday from his ranch in Crawford, Tex., "President Bush repeated his condemnation of unregulated money that he said was 'pouring' into the political process," the Washington Post reports. "But," says the Post, while Bush denounced the ad by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, "he stopped short of denouncing the ad," saying only that he denounces all ads, including the ad by the Swift Boat Veterans. "Pressed several times by reporters" on whether he would denounce the Swift Vet ad, Bush refused, notes the Post. "Bush would only say: 'That means (I denounce the Swift Vet ad) and every other ad. I'm denouncing all the stuff." The Post says this proves he secretly agrees with the Swift Vet ad because he denounced it and every other ad but "stopped short of denouncing" it. Got that?


45 posted on 08/27/2004 4:20:05 PM PDT by rocksblues (Ah! The smell of toast on a November morning.)
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To: ambrose

What part of "John Kerry served admirably in Viet Nam and all 527 groups should be shut down" don't you understand?


46 posted on 08/27/2004 4:20:12 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: Cap'n Crunch

And we know what his price was.


47 posted on 08/27/2004 4:20:22 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: CA Conservative

I have a dumb question: where is the shrapnel suppose to be in Kerry's body?


48 posted on 08/27/2004 4:21:20 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: ambrose

Yes, Bush should definitely take advice from a guy who abandoned his principles the minute he hit Washington.


49 posted on 08/27/2004 4:21:53 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Gun-control is leftist mind-control.)
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To: ambrose

Polls showed Kerry's standing among veterans falling from maybe around 60 per cent to 19 per cent. I'd say that's more than slipping 'slightly'. and considering that many vets have retired to the great state of Florida, and have families who vote and friends who vote...Kerry has a lot to worry about.


50 posted on 08/27/2004 4:22:07 PM PDT by hershey
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