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Three Former POWs Say Communists Used Kerry's Words for Torment
Human Events Online ^ | Aug 27, 2004

Posted on 08/27/2004 6:25:28 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16

Jim Warner will never forget when he first heard of John Kerry. It was May of 1971, and Warner was a Marine first lieutenant suffering in solitary confinement in North Vietnam's infamous Skid Row punishment camp.

Since his F-4 fighter had been shot down three and a half years earlier, Warner had been tortured and interrogated regularly by his captors.

One morning--Warner thinks it was a Saturday--he was subjected to an unusually long three-hour interrogation, during which they made him read the typewritten transcript of a statement by a U.S. Navy officer, who was Vietnam veteran, speaking in the United States. The speech included a litany of American war atrocities against the Vietnamese and advocated an immediate and unilateral withdrawal from Vietnam.

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1 posted on 08/27/2004 6:25:28 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16
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To: NavySEAL F-16

This should be ad # 4.


2 posted on 08/27/2004 6:32:32 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue ( When the going gets tough-John Kerry gets going-far away)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

i am melting
calling on the toricelli solution now!
please god- make it go away
I know it can't get any worse
sincerely
jfk


3 posted on 08/27/2004 6:33:01 PM PDT by genghis
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To: NavySEAL F-16

This guy is a sick man, worse than slick willy. Lets make sure he does not get elected.


4 posted on 08/27/2004 6:33:26 PM PDT by kcinnh
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Yes, but I'll bet they don't have ONE SINGLE DOCUMENT to prove it.

(That is how the Kerry press office (ABC/CBS/NBC) will answer this)


5 posted on 08/27/2004 6:33:33 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: genghis
"...it can't get any worse"

"Never challenge 'worse.' " - Bill Cosby

6 posted on 08/27/2004 6:36:53 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Kerry's problem: If he does not specifically answer all of these charges, rather than just attack the critics, he loses credibility. But if he does answer them, the critics will respond, and he will get into a no-win debate with them.

Bush's problem: Kerry would be in a deeper hole if someone asked him the key questions directly. But the press won't ask them, and the Bush people cannot.


7 posted on 08/27/2004 6:44:35 PM PDT by djpg
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To: NavySEAL F-16

The official DoD de-briefs from the POWs may corraborate this. Hopefully Sandy Berger isn't lurking anywhere near the Federal Archives.


8 posted on 08/27/2004 6:48:37 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

bump for later


9 posted on 08/27/2004 6:49:53 PM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

I believe this will be used by the StolenValor group.

http://www.stolenvalor.com


10 posted on 08/27/2004 6:50:53 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

You just do not realize how sick jfk is until you read this

VVAW worked with the NV to get US not to bomb NV troops during an attck by NV.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201299/posts


11 posted on 08/27/2004 6:52:28 PM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

There is an arguement that is used in defense of Kerry that I find abominable. It's the charge that 'taking Kerry to task is an insult to all veterans.' One that even tops that for me, is that "taking Kerry to task on the issue of his purple hearts is an insult to all veterans who were awarded the purple heart.'

On the issue of taking a member of the military to task over the awarding of Purple Hearts to them, I do consider it a solemn event. No one should do this lightly. But if taking a person to task is warranted, then it should be done by men who stand as equals with the person charged.

Combat veterans who served with that person are precisely the right persons who should challenge him on it. Today a group of men have come forward to do so regarding a man for whom they have first hand information.

This challenge not only doesn't insult other veterans, it helps ensure that when they win medals, those medals stand for precisely what they should. If any yahoo can trump up qualifications and obtain Purple Hearts, then Purple Hearts mean nothing. Valid charges brought against a person known to have done this, protect the solemn status of the Purple Hearts.

Further those challenges are the only insurance this nation's citizens have, that some yahoo can't obtain Purple Hearts without just cause, then claim to be something they are not.

The next to the last thing I ever want to see is a veteran be taken to task for a valiantly won Purple Heart. The last thing I want to see is someone who lied about his qualifications to obtain a Purple Heart, claim war hero status in his quest for the most honorable position our nation has to offer.

Today we have solumn charges on the table. Those charges merit solumn consideration. They do not merit using known valiant Purple Heart winners as cover from the truth of the matter. If that were the case, then that would be as vile an act as the original perpetration of the fraud that obtained those medals without merit.

Everyone should settle down, read the full story of the charges and make up their own minds. The media should quit trying to damn the 247 messengers to protect the indefensible. Those messengers are not running for the position of the Presidency of the United States.

The media, the defenders of a person being charged and a political party are the ones walking on the veterans who have legitimately won Purple Hearts, to trash people who just may be doing this nation a very valuable service.

If John Kerry is a fraud, he and his minions are pulling that fraud at the expense of some very righteous men. If John is the man he always said he was, the truth will win this victory for him. If not, so much the better.


12 posted on 08/27/2004 6:55:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: NavySEAL F-16
Excellent. I especially appreciated this:

I wasn't necessarily disappointed in Jane Fonda," said Collins. "I didn't know her background, but I figured she's just some airhead Hollywood actress--so what? But then along comes this military officer. My first reaction was, this is a fake. But it wasn't a fake. This guy is a traitor. I'm very disappointed in that. . . . I expected more out of a Navy lieutenant. That's why I was so demoralized. It was far worse for him to do it."

It's time for another, and larger, contribution to the Swifties.

13 posted on 08/27/2004 7:09:17 PM PDT by Zechariah11 ("so they weighed for my hire thirty pieces of silver")
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To: kcinnh

Do you want to really know how sick JFnK is. Click the link and listen and watch for the next 20 minutes.

http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/samples.asp

Then report back.


14 posted on 08/27/2004 7:13:13 PM PDT by rocksblues (Ah! The smell of toast on a November morning.)
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To: Zechariah11

Do you suppose THIS is what Kerry is trying to keep the public from finding out?


15 posted on 08/27/2004 7:16:01 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: NavySEAL F-16
Just when you think the Democrats could not possibly sink any lower--they manage to sink even lower.

My parents, grandparents, and great grandparents were all Democrats. If they were alive today they would recoil in disgust--like all decent people everywhere do--and disavow and repudiate the Democrat Party immediately and in no uncertain terms.

My children are all Republicans.

16 posted on 08/27/2004 7:17:18 PM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush!)
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To: Savage Beast

And, the media thinks it's going to go away.


17 posted on 08/27/2004 7:20:35 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

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18 posted on 08/27/2004 7:22:57 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: sonofatpatcher2

I truly believe the ones who will sink this a$$hole will be the POWs....I know several of them: Ken Cordier (yep in the second ad), Bud Day (medal of honor winner), Keith Hall, and then there's one that I absolutely cannot remember his name but he's the one who "made" the flag out of threads and waved it upon landing in Hawaii....I have a close friend who was the pilot of the first plane bringing them out of NVN....i cried then and i cry now thinking of what they went through which was only made worse by Ms Fonda and Mr Fonda (oops, I mean F'ing Kerry)....


19 posted on 08/27/2004 7:32:10 PM PDT by BamaDi
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To: BamaDi
Could not agree more....
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20 posted on 08/27/2004 7:34:27 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: Howlin
Do you suppose THIS is what Kerry is trying to keep the public from finding out?

Now that is an interesting question. It was brought up by Michael Medved on his program today. It seems that JfK's retirement from the Navy was granted much later than otherwise expected and that this might have been due to some problem buried in those records.

Furthermore, we learned today that he wrongfully embellished a silver star medal with a valorous Von his website. We also learned today that a retired admiral says his first purple heart was unmerited. This from one who was on the same boat as he was. These are all things which disgraced Admiral Borda (sp?) to the point where he committed suicide.

21 posted on 08/27/2004 7:38:32 PM PDT by Zechariah11 ("so they weighed for my hire thirty pieces of silver")
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To: BamaDi
I truly believe the ones who will sink this a$$hole will be the POWs....

Heard that B-1 Bob said pretty much the same tonight on H & C.

22 posted on 08/27/2004 7:48:14 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: kcinnh

Slick Willy picked him probably thinking after this guy and Gore; his wife would look good. Only his wife has a long, long history of working with propaganda. She is probably worse than them.


23 posted on 08/27/2004 8:34:15 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: NavySEAL F-16

It is most distressing to read these accounts about how Kerry's lies were used to oppress and torture our brave POW's.


24 posted on 08/27/2004 8:35:35 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Why are these guys not making some ads?


25 posted on 08/27/2004 8:38:20 PM PDT by no dems (Hey, Hey JFK; How many lies have you told today?)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

What goes around comes around. Finally these dimwits are having a taste of what they been dishing out for years.


26 posted on 08/27/2004 8:40:18 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: NavySEAL F-16

I am sure they did use Kerry's words for torment. Was just discussing that very point tonight.


27 posted on 08/27/2004 8:40:20 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Arlen Specter in November.....)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

I'd love to see a

"FAMILY INTERVENTION"

live on all the networks in prime time

with all the living POW's offended and hurt and tortured because of and with SKERRY'S WORDS

CONFRONT HIM FACE TO FACE WHILE HE WAS GAGGED.

. . . ONE BY ONE ALL AROUND A BIG CIRCLE WITH SKERRY ON THE HOT SEAT UNTIL EVERY LAST VET HAD HAD HIS SAY AND CURSED SKERRY IN WHATEVER WAY THEY FELT FITTING.

Then maybe allow SKERRY 1 or so minutes to respond.

Then have everyone leave the building before SKERRY was allowed out of his seat.


28 posted on 08/27/2004 8:44:50 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue; NavySEAL F-16

I heard Paul Galanti on my local morning talk radio show yesterday. He was commenting on Kerry's pronunciation of "Ghengis" because that was Galanti's trigger to memories of his imprisonment. He'd never had a flashback until he heard Kerry repeat that phrase in recent weeks.


29 posted on 08/27/2004 8:50:10 PM PDT by Donaeus (Kerry fanned the flames while Viet Nam burned, what will he do if we're hit with another 9/11?)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

I would love to see Kerry confronted with this.


30 posted on 08/27/2004 8:50:13 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Vote for anyone but Arlen Specter in November.....)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Remember when the rats said we all had to see Moore's version of 9-11 to be balanced? We couldn't complain unless we went and saw his trash.

Why aren't they saying that about "Unfit for Command"?


31 posted on 08/27/2004 8:52:50 PM PDT by Joe_October (Saddam supported Terrorists. Al Qaeda are Terrorists. I can't find the link.)
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To: Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; archy; backhoe; Badray; bc2; Becki; Jack Black; Joe Brower; ...

This warrants a CWII ping.


32 posted on 08/27/2004 8:52:54 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: Zechariah11

You've read, I hope, the FR piece on Kerry's sanctimonious comments on Boorda's medal-decorating . . .


33 posted on 08/27/2004 8:54:08 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

The meltdown continues :)


34 posted on 08/27/2004 9:00:05 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: kcinnh

"This guy is a sick man, worse than slick willy. Lets make sure he does not get elected."

I never thought there could be a worse President than Clinton but I agree with you. Kerry would be much, much worse.


35 posted on 08/27/2004 9:01:37 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: Savage Beast

This is why Zell Miller is distancing himself from the Rats. They have become a party of degenerates, socialists, and communists.


36 posted on 08/27/2004 9:04:15 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: Wolfhound777

I never thought there could be a worse President than Clinton but I agree with you. Kerry would be much, much worse.

6 of 1- 1/2 a dozen of the other.


37 posted on 08/27/2004 9:10:43 PM PDT by longfellow (You're either with US or from Hollywood! Ultimateamerican.com)
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To: NavySEAL F-16
I now finally understand, with crystal clarity, why revenge is much, much better when served cold.
38 posted on 08/27/2004 9:20:59 PM PDT by AnnaZ ("Waaa... make the bad men stop talking!" [John Kerry is a social clymer.])
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To: NavySEAL F-16; Dawn_USAF; CheneyChick; ODC-GIRL; The Sailor; kjfine; Old Sarge; USAF_TSgt; ...
SINK KERRY PING
"MOUNT 52 : REPEAT"


39 posted on 08/27/2004 9:22:06 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hippie Dippie Hanoi Kerry and Hippie Dippie Hanoi Jane sitting in a tree! F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: All
TRANSCRIPT: 8/26/04
Steve Gardner, Foregunner, PCF44:
http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/gardner2.mpg

"I spent more time on John Kerry's boat than any other crewmember.

John Kerry hasn't been honest - he has been deceitful.

John Kerry claims that he spent Christmas, in 1968, in Cambodia.

And that is catagorically a lie. Not in December. Not in January.

We were never in Cambodia on a secret mission. Ever."


Ramsey Clark to Join Panel for Saddam’s Defense

arabnews press release 25 August 2004


NOTE :
Ramsey Clark is pictured below with Kerry and
Vietnam phony vet Al Hubbard
Who was head of the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement.



Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam.
The only Vietnamese he ever met was
when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation:
"He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

NEW:
FReeper smith288 has an online version of
Kerry's "The New Soldier"
You can read it without downloading pdf files!
CLICK HERE


The New Soldier, (46 pages)
By John Kerry
and Vietnam Veterans
Against the War

PART I (pdf file)
PART II (pdf file)
PART III (pdf file)

Kerry hopes everyone
in the USA gets this book!

NEW:
“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW
CLICK HERE


Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State University in 1969;
"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope,
you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communist."

Joe Moore, Can Tho Airfield 550th Signal Company


Copy and paste the links to everyone you know.

Send this url for the Steve Gardner video

http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/gardner2.mpg

Send this url for the online version

http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/newsoldier/

Send this url for the Stolen Honor website

http://www.stolenhonor.com/


Print this out (46 pages) and disribute it,
especially to the liberals you know.

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Inro.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Epilogue.pdf

40 posted on 08/27/2004 9:23:41 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hippie Dippie Hanoi Kerry and Hippie Dippie Hanoi Jane sitting in a tree! F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
Some men have skeletons in their closets, Yaaawn has a killing field in his!

Pray for W and Our Troops

41 posted on 08/27/2004 9:23:50 PM PDT by bray (Just cause 95% of PravdABDNC is voting for Yaaawn, it doesn't mean they're Bias!)
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To: stockpirate

VVAW funded by the CPUSA. And the CPUSA supports Kerry, though not "officially". CPUSA's HQ is NYC - should be a busy convention week for them. Thanks for the great links in the other post earlier today on the FBI files regarding the VVAW.


42 posted on 08/27/2004 9:28:05 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bump


43 posted on 08/27/2004 9:35:47 PM PDT by Fawnn (Canteen wOOhOO Consultant and CookingWithPam.com person - Faith makes things possible, not easy.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; ntnychik; devolve; Happy2BMe; Boazo; OXENinFLA; ...








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44 posted on 08/27/2004 9:51:09 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: TADSLOS

Well Boys & Girls, I stirred the pot in my community today wearing my new t-shirt that has kerry's picture on it (small), with Paul Gallanti's quote about kerry giving the enemy for free what he and his comrades took torture to avoid saying.

Got some flack from the dyed in the wool sheeple/communists, and some thumbs up from those with intelligence. Can't wait to wear it in front of the demorat booth at the local (Antelope Valley) Fair.

I'll have to drag somebody along to use my camera to record the reaction. Ha Ha.


45 posted on 08/27/2004 9:57:53 PM PDT by stumpy
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To: stumpy

Can you post the T shirt graphic?


46 posted on 08/27/2004 10:26:57 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: NavySEAL F-16
Get this to every one.
 
This is the line of attack: http://www.stolenhonor.com/

James Warner POW in North Vietnam

Windows Media Player Broadband http://www.videopa.com/kerry/warner.asx

Windows Media Player Dial-up http://www.videopa.com/kerry/warner_low.asx

“The North Vietnamese told us we were war criminals, not covered by Geneva Convention…” PLAY THIS (Last on this page): POWs http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/samples.asp 

 
TOGETHER WITH THE SWIFTVETS AD.

The Swiftboat Vets' second ad, released at the beginning of this week to play in Ohio, West Virginia and Wisconsin, features former POWs charging Kerry with betrayal for accusing them of war atrocities during his testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971. http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video2.html


47 posted on 08/27/2004 10:28:05 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping!


48 posted on 08/27/2004 10:31:47 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Wolverine

Filed, copies, sent to all.

Thanks.


49 posted on 08/27/2004 10:35:49 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: Wolverine

Don't have that ability, but if you freep mail me I'll tell ya where I got it. Fair enough???


50 posted on 08/27/2004 10:40:11 PM PDT by stumpy
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