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After Decades, Renewed War on Old Conflict
Washington Post ^
| 08/27/04
| Michael Dobbs
Posted on 08/27/2004 8:17:59 PM PDT by Pikamax
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posted on
08/27/2004 8:17:59 PM PDT
by
Pikamax
To: Pikamax
For example, he described North Vietnamese Communist leader Ho Chi Minh as "the George Washington of Vietnam."The Swiftvets should make commercial #4 about his pro-communist sympathies (Paris and Nicaragua) and include this quote.
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posted on
08/27/2004 8:31:13 PM PDT
by
Timmy
To: Pikamax
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posted on
08/27/2004 8:39:34 PM PDT
by
sonofatpatcher2
(Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
To: Timmy
I agree 100%! We need to keep getting the truth out about this twit!
To: Pikamax
Kerry has already backed away from some of his more inflammatory antiwar statements and an earlier claim that he was not present at a meeting that debated a proposal to assassinate government officials and take over the Statue of Liberty. Notice how this is buried in the middle of the article. When did the MSM bother to ackknowledge this before?
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posted on
08/27/2004 11:47:49 PM PDT
by
NYCVirago
To: Timmy
For example, he described North Vietnamese Communist leader Ho Chi Minh as "the George Washington of Vietnam." How about an analogy by Michael Moore to Iraqi and Arab terrorists to the Minutemen?
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posted on
08/28/2004 12:24:59 AM PDT
by
neverdem
(Xin loi min oi)
To: NYCVirago
According to historian Gerald Nicosia, whose "Home to War" is the authoritative account of the movement, VVAW was becoming increasingly divided by 1971. IIRC, Drudge relayed months ago the story of Gerald Nicosia's home being burglarized this year. Nicosia said that selected files he kept as original sources on Kerry and the VVAW were missing.
The FBI kept careful tabs on the protesters through a network of informers, who tracked Kerry's movements. The FBI records help to disprove a long-standing claim by Kerry that he resigned from the VVAW leadership in the summer of 1971, before the organization began to flirt with proposals for radical civil disobedience and even violence.
The FBI records show that Kerry was present for a particularly contentious meeting in Kansas City, Mo., in November 1971, at which plans were discussed for the assassination or kidnapping of government officials or the takeover of the Statue of Liberty. The proposal was overwhelmingly voted down, and the files record that Kerry wanted VVAW "to stay strictly non-violent." According to the FBI files, he resigned from the organization in Kansas City after an angry showdown with radicals led by a firebrand named Al Hubbard.
Wasn't Al Hubbard exposed as a fraud who never served in Vietnam?
"There was no way he would have forgotten about being in Kansas City," said Nicosia, who is generally sympathetic to Kerry.
Former VVAW Kansas state coordinator John Musgrave, who served with the Marines in Vietnam, expressed extreme doubt about Kerry's stated recollection. "He had a tremendous confrontation with Hubbard at that meeting. How can he claim not to have any memory of it?"
Discussing political assassinations and taking over the Statue of Liberty probably could only be forgotten by being simultaneously intoxicated. It doesn't pass the smell test.
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posted on
08/28/2004 12:58:10 AM PDT
by
neverdem
(Xin loi min oi)
To: NYCVirago
Check some of these
links.
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posted on
08/28/2004 1:07:11 AM PDT
by
neverdem
(Xin loi min oi)
To: neverdem
Bob Dornan tonight on H&C said that he followed Kerry and Co. around the Mall for 8 hours, and has lots of film of him. There may be film of Kerry near where VVAWs were burning and pissing on American flags, with VC and NV flags flying. This must be giving Kerry the sweats. If such film exists, and is being saved for the final days.....
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posted on
08/28/2004 1:10:33 AM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: Travis McGee
I saw the H & C segment. Dornan was quite animated, to say the least, and quite prepared with all the flags!
I wonder if Pat Caddell(sp?) has a new contract with FNC. I'm used to seeing as a Matthew's talking head.
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posted on
08/28/2004 1:18:25 AM PDT
by
neverdem
(Xin loi min oi)
To: neverdem
Check some of these links.Yeah, I'm aware of the story about this, but I'm surpised to see the WaPost finally report it.
To: Travis McGee
These events were some of the most photographed occurances of all time. The evidence is out there somewhere. Thousands of pictures were published in various periodicals at the time. I remember poring over the pictures and wondering just what kind of people these were. I was young but I had never met or been around people like that. I did not believe the stories about returning GIs being spit on. Americans just could not and would not do that.
I think someone thumbing through an old Time or Life is going to find what Kerry doesn't want anyone to see.
To: neverdem
The FBI records show that Kerry was present for a particularly contentious meeting in Kansas City, Mo., in November 1971, at which plans were discussed for the assassination or kidnapping of government officials or the takeover of the Statue of Liberty. The proposal was overwhelmingly voted down, and the files record that Kerry wanted VVAW "to stay strictly non-violent."
VVAW ultimately DID take over the Statue of Liberty in late December 1971. It's in the FBI files on wintersoldier.com, near the end of the file
here.
To: Travis McGee
This must be giving Kerry the sweats. Just look at the RATfest from a few weeks ago. Kerry was sweating like a pig. 'Twas just a matter of time...
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posted on
08/28/2004 4:59:22 AM PDT
by
Use It Or Lose It
(LET THE SWIFTEES SPEAK! STOP THE CENSORSHIP, JOHN KERRY! www.swiftvets.com)
To: Pikamax
Dobbs fails to mention that much of the testimony of the "Winter Soldiers" was discredited, that many of those testifying had not been in Vietnam or were not even veterans, and that all of them avoided helping efforts to prosecute war crime perpetrators. Kerry joined in the lies of enemies of the United States to defeat its forces in Vietnam, all to advance Kerry's political career.
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posted on
08/28/2004 5:14:13 AM PDT
by
TheGeezer
(If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
To: neverdem
Wasn't Al Hubbard exposed as a fraud who never served in Vietnam? He was clearly a fraud.
He claimed to have been an Air Force officer, a pilot who was wounded in Vietnam. He was actually a sergeant. He was in supply, if I recall the story correctly.
While I'm not 100% certain of it, I don't believe he was ever stationed in Vietnam.
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posted on
08/28/2004 5:28:12 AM PDT
by
Bob
To: Travis McGee
The Nixon people will have really let me down if they didn't surreptitiously tape it. This guy did so much that disqualifies him--it's not even funny.
To: Pikamax
To: Pikamax
What are the details on the admission by Kerry or his campaign that he was in fact at the 1971 KC meeting?
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posted on
08/28/2004 12:53:42 PM PDT
by
SteveH
To: conservative in nyc
Thanks for the update, I was on my second tour at the time.
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posted on
08/28/2004 1:15:13 PM PDT
by
neverdem
(Xin loi min oi)
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