Interesting Items From Kerry’s Military File

I have reviewed the available documents related to Kerry’s military service. They all appear to have been posted on Kerry’s site and then reposted on an amazing number of other sites. Where they came form, I.e., Kerry’s personal home file or in response to a request (Form 180?) to the Navy or a combination, is unknown. My source is a hostile site, “awolbush.com”.

There are many interesting points items in these records, none of which alone, defines today’s candidate but do add some insights not otherwise available.

1. In Kerry’s “Report On The Fitness of Officers,” signed 18 Dec 1969, the reviewing officer, G. M. Elliot said, “He has of his own volition learned the Vietnamese language and is instrumental in the successful Vietnamese training program.” It isn’t know whether this is a fact that Kerry told Elliot or something Elliot observed. The Kerrys celebrate their ability with languages but it is not ceratin whether Kerry has bragged about his knowledge of Vietnamese. It surely helped him as he met with the Viet Cong in Paris to assist them with their war effort.

2. Contrary to popular belief, Kerry has had an honest job or two in his lifetime. He attended Yale from 1962 to 1966. During summer vacations he actually earned a paycheck (which may be the only Social Security earnings credited to his account). A “Background Information Sheet” Kerry signed on 2/1/66 indicates “Employment” as follows (dates, name of employer and “Reason for Leaving”): “July ‘64 to Aug ‘64, P.F. Collier, Inc., Return to School,” “June ‘64 to July ‘64, First National Stores, Inc. (Somerville), Uninterestee [sic] in work, “ and “ June ‘63 to July ‘63, First National Stores, Inc. (Somerville), Left For Summer Trip.”

3. Kerry, in a form signed 9 DEC 1968, designated his “Fiancee,” Miss Julia Stimson Thorne as a partial beneficiary and listed 14 Wall Street, New York City as her address. In a “Record of Emergency Data” of the same date, Kerry listed “David H. THORNE, Brother-In-Law to be” and showed his address as the USS Maddox (DD-731). If the Maddox was in Viet Nam and Thorne and Kerry confided in one another, perhaps Thorne (if he is still with us) would have some candid comments about the service of the man who discarded his sister for an even wealthier woman.

4. While it may not reflect on Kerry, himself, Kerry’s Commission raises a question. It is a formal document with the President’s seal and office, appointing Kerry as an Ensign on 16 December 1966. It is dated 11 October 1966 and has the stamped signatures of B. J. Semmes, Jr., Vice Admiral, U. S. Navy, Chief of Naval Personnel and Paul H. Nitze, Secretary of the Navy. The space following “By the President,” where one would expect the president’s name (stamped or signed) to be, has been redacted, as though someone didn’t want the world to know which President commissioned Kerry in 1966. Reflect on Kerry? Doubtful, but why such a key and innocuous document be handled that way.

5. There can be no question that key portions of Kerry’s military records have ben concealed and hidden from public view to make certain that the truth is kept from voters. From the few documents that are available, it seems clear that at least two different files are represented. One, of course, would be the copies that Kerry, himself, kept over the years. But, there also seem to be documents that were part of the Nay’s official record. This would mean that Kerry, at some time, must have filed a Form 180, a fact he desires to keep secret, and received what the Navy has on file. A complete reproduction of the material on “awolbush.com,” for example, results in duplicate/multiple copies of the same document. Initial analysis suggested nothing more than sloppy copy work. However, in one case, with two copies of the same form, one version had both Kerry’s service number and his social security number redacted and the other, only his service number leaving his social security number (044 XX-XXXX) visible. This proves that they were copies of the same document made at different times.

This may also explain the mystery of the different Zumwalt and Lehman citations for Kerry’s silver and bronze stars. An explanation might be that the Zumwalt versions (the earlier versions) were in Kerry’s personal file and posted while the Lehman versions were contained in the hidden file but delivered to Kerry at his first Form 180 request. The Lehman versions which were supposed to replace the Zumwalt versions were allowed to be reproduced and compared side by side. The Lehman (Secretary of the Navy) versions may have been prepared in response to a request for a favor or by a Navy Department interested in pleasing a notoriously anti-military Senator. This, again, suggests that Kerry has, in fact, already requested and been sent a complete copy of his official military file and, therefore, knows without question that it can not be released without doing himself major, perhaps, irreversible damage.

Note - Please do not show this to any member of the neocommunist, ultra left wing media. I'd hate to hand them a shot at the Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting when, I know, they in their legions are about to investigate and write about women not being involved with the Masters Golf Tournament in Georgia.

Kerry is a fraud, no matter how you shake it, I don't understand how a man can run for Commander-in-chief and NOT release his military records when questions arise. when getting a job in the defense industry, you must sign form 180...now if a job in the defense industry is that important as to make you sign the 180, i think running for president is a little more important

If the Maddox was in Viet Nam

Does a bear do it in the Woods? Maddox, along with "Turner Joy", was one of the ships involved in the so called "Gulf of Tonkin" incident in August of '64, which signaled the beginning of the "American Phase" of the Vietnam war. Maddox actually was attacked on 2 Aug, while on 3 Aug in company with Turner Joy, an attack was "detected" on radar, but subsequent events have indicated that there were no NV boats present at the time.

During 1965-1968, Maddox served three more times in the Far East, doing her part to support the Vietnam War effort and other U.S. interests in the region.

However she doesn't appear from her DANFS entry to have been in Vietnamese waters during the time Kerry was there, either on the destroyer or on the Swifts.

Can anyone tell me what the real story of the Kerry enlistment and subsequesnt commission in the Navy was? I'm trying to understand if Kerry sought active duty or if he was actually signing up for the reserves.

Much has been made of GWB going for the ANG instead of active duty. Was Kerry trying to avoid the draft, as they accuse Bush of, by enlisting in the Navy Reserves? Input or links appreciated.

MoodyBlu

1. In Kerry’s “Report On The Fitness of Officers,” signed 18 Dec 1969, the reviewing officer, G. M. Elliot said, “He has of his own volition learned the Vietnamese language and is instrumental in the successful Vietnamese training program.” It isn’t know whether this is a fact that Kerry told Elliot or something Elliot observed.

Or maybe Elliot thought the Vietnamese language was French?

The one thing that strikes me the most about JFK military record is the lack of logical continuity presented. I know from having to review my great uncles records and my dads records that regardless of the service involved you could end up accounting for every day of service, campaigns, citations, transfers, etc. And my great uncle was a 20 year Navy veteran(died at Coral Sea).
JfK no longer needs to fill in the gaps. He is toast. But in respect for those who have gone before him and those have served after him, he needs to do the honorable thing and release all the records.

Much has been made of GWB going for the ANG instead of active duty. Was Kerry trying to avoid the draft, as they accuse Bush of, by enlisting in the Navy Reserves? Input or links appreciated.

O'Neill claims in Unfit for Command that he signed up for the RESERVES.

I have read somewhere that when he returned from Viet nam he was assigned to active reserve status. Active reservists are required to attend drills. but no record of Kerrys ever attending drills is found. What gives here?

The fact that he was in the Reserves is not necessarily a negative. The Reserves had requirements for active duty, and when on active duty served just like the Regulars.

The main difference was that the Reserves were mostly NOT "career" Military.

The point is that Kerry did the same as Bush, he volunteered for the Reserves there is a strong similarity there. The only difference is that Kerry got sent, Bush didn't.

The Dems like to paint Kerry as a brave hero who volunteered for the Navy while Bush cowered in the reserves, but the truth is they accepted similar obligations.

If Kerry was applying for a sensitive position in the US government he would have to open up his military and medical records to a background investigation. With all the information our there now would he receive any kind of clearance, much less Top Secret? Honesty, trustworthiness mental stability...?

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/security.htm
http://www.usaid.gov/procurement_bus_opp/procurement/forms/SF-86/sf-86.pdf

Was Kerry trying to avoid the draft, as they accuse Bush of, by enlisting in the Navy Reserves?

No, it was standard practice, for those desiring to go to Officer Candidate School at least on a "delayed entry" program, to first enlist in the reserves. ROTC cadets are enlisted into the reserve as well. I spent two years in the AF reserve as an Airman Basic, before becoming a reserve 2nd Lt. on active duty, all the while also being an AFROTC cadet. (In fact I was a 2nd Lt. not on active duty for a month after receiving my commission. Many had to wait longer than that before going on active duty. Some never did to go on active duty, even though they'd signed up to do just that. These days going directly to ready reserve, without going through active duty is more common, but not as common as it was during the Carter and Clinton doldrums.

I have read somewhere that when he returned from Viet nam he was assigned to active reserve status

He wasn't assigned to active reserve status, but rather inactive reserve status, then in '72 he was transfered to the Standby Reserve, or so his paperwork shows, although as I've posted before, I'm beginning to wonder about the validity of the stuff posted on his site, because there are so many contradictions.

Yes, your major point is correct.

The whole Demonrat attack on Bush is bogus. Totally bogus and typical Demonrat slime. To attack Pres Bush for entering and serving in the National Guard is just outrageous. Hopefully it will anger the many people who did serve in the National Guard and cause a backlash against J F'n Kerry.

I just don't think we get very far by trying to make an issue of Kerry in the Reserves angle. It is sort of like someone saying something crazy like: "your mother wears combat boots"; and then coming back and saying: "No, your mother wears combat boots".

I had read that he was active for 30 months before he was inactive. I also know that most folks who got out early were active reserve for a while .

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