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Of Yale, hookers, and tolerance
Townhall.com ^ | 9-1-2004 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 09/02/2004 8:28:17 AM PDT by outlawcam

Last Sunday, I picked up a copy of Boston Magazine while sitting in the green room at the Fox News studios in Watertown, Mass. Leafing through the publication, I came across an article titled "Confessions of an Ivy League Callgirl," written by Jeannette Angell, a university lecturer with a master's degree from Yale. The fact that she was a Yalie caught my eye -- as a Harvard Law student, I've already adopted our communal animosities -- and so I read the piece.

 Apparently, Angell began trading sex for cash after receiving her doctorate in social anthropology. But what was shocking was not Angell's experiences but her insistence that she not be condemned for her actions. "Please don't be so quick to call us hookers, to judge us," she wrote. "We could be your mother, your sister, your girlfriend, your daughter. Even your college professor. No, I take that back. It's not a matter of saying that we could be. We are."

 The logic goes something like this: If you have a relative who engages in a sinful act, the act cannot be condemned. After all, blood is thicker than morality, right? Loyalty to the tribe comes before loyalty to moral values.

 It's a successful tactic often employed by proponents of liberal social policy. Just this week, Michael Moore wrote in USA Today that most Republicans are actually social liberals. As proof, he cited a supposed interview with a "proud Republican." "Would you discriminate against someone because he or she is gay?" Moore asked the man. "Um, no," the man answered. Moore comments: "The pause -- I get that a lot when I ask this question -- is usually because the average goodhearted person instantly thinks about a gay family member or friend."

 Unfortunately, Moore's explanation of moral hesitancy rings true. Social liberals expect to emerge victorious from the culture wars because of conflicting allegiances among social conservatives: allegiances to friends and family, and allegiances to traditional morality.

 In order to assuage the moral qualms of conflicted social conservatives, social liberals have created a whole new system of morality. Social liberals redefine right and wrong: It is right to value your friends and family, and wrong to condemn them for moral failings. According to the social left, in any pitched battle between traditional morality and friendship, those who side with traditional morality are morally wrong.

 And so tolerance has become the new morality. Those who condemn homosexuality are morally wrong. Those who condemn prostitution are morally wrong. Those who condemn abortion are morally wrong. Tolerance is moral -- and traditional morality is simply intolerant. Moore rips the traditional morality crowd as a bunch of conspiratorial bigots: "Your people are up before dawn figuring out which minority group shouldn't be allowed to marry today."

 Socially liberal Republican Sen. Arlen Specter labels traditional morality immoral: "When you talk about gay rights, it's a civil rights issue, and you ought not to count votes on it. In the long sweep of history, those who favor gay rights are on the right side of the issue. It's a matter of moral principle."

 The new religion of tolerance provides a slippery slope into moral oblivion. All activity must be tolerated, since sympathy for friends and family trumps traditional morality. With tolerance for sin comes acceptance of sin, and with acceptance, promotion. With Roe vs. Wade, Americans grudgingly tolerated abortion.

 With tolerance came acceptance: Those who received abortions were no longer seen as immoral. Instead, they were the moral equals of ordinary mothers. Finally, abortion was promoted as a valuable alternative to pregnancy completion -- and those who condemned abortion were slandered as sinners.

 When Republicans passed the partial-birth abortion ban last year, Sen. Barbara Boxer of California complained that such policy was immoral: "What I think is immoral is to take your views ... or my views ... and force them on the people of this country," she stated. "It is disrespectful, it isn't right, and it isn't what America is about."

 The same progression holds true for gay marriage: tolerance, acceptance and promotion. The first step is always tolerance, and tolerance must be attained by appealing to sympathy. The easiest way to gain sympathy for social liberalism is to point out close friends or relatives participating in sin, and then dare us to condemn their actions.

 So can we condemn Jeannette Angell as a whore? Can we condemn homosexuality or abortion as sinful? Of course we can. Morality cannot survive in a NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) context. If morality extends only to those far removed from our personal lives, it has no meaning. To preserve traditional values, justice must take precedence over sympathy.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy; US: Illinois
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1 posted on 09/02/2004 8:28:17 AM PDT by outlawcam
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To: outlawcam
Apparently, Angell began trading sex for cash after receiving her doctorate in social anthropology. But what was shocking was not Angell's experiences but her insistence that she not be condemned for her actions. "Please don't be so quick to call us hookers, to judge us," she wrote. "We could be your mother, your sister, your girlfriend, your daughter. Even your college professor. No, I take that back. It's not a matter of saying that we could be. We are."

I believe it about my ex-girlfriend, but mom? Has she ever seen my mom?

2 posted on 09/02/2004 8:30:00 AM PDT by sharktrager (The road to hell is paved with good intentions. And the paving contractor lives in Chappaqua.)
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To: outlawcam

Do Yale hookers summon the maid to perform the act?


3 posted on 09/02/2004 8:31:19 AM PDT by George Smiley (The only 180 that Kerry hasn't done is the one that would release ALL his military records.)
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To: sharktrager
Has she ever seen my mom?

Reminds me of DeNiro's line in "Analyze This"...

Dr. Ben Sobel : Oedipus was a Greek king who killed his father and married his mother.
Boss Paul Vitti : F*ckin' Greeks.
Funny.
4 posted on 09/02/2004 8:33:56 AM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
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To: outlawcam

They could be our professors?
*thinks for a moment*

I've seen some professors worth haggling price with.
/ evil tasteless joke.


Seriously, just how twisted does someoe have to be to sell themselves for sex, and then turn around and scream "don't condemn me" to soothe their hurt conscience?


5 posted on 09/02/2004 8:35:04 AM PDT by Darksheare (Don't greet customers at the drivethrough with: "We are the Borg, resistance is futile!")
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To: outlawcam

If nobody forced her into this profession and she paid taxes on her hooker earning nobody should care.


6 posted on 09/02/2004 8:35:52 AM PDT by alex
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To: sharktrager

What's more pathetic? A whore on the street downtown somewhere, or an educated Ivy League one? I would say the Ivy Leaguer.


7 posted on 09/02/2004 8:36:09 AM PDT by Vision ("This is in God's hands now")
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To: outlawcam
And so tolerance has become the new morality

This article fits perfectly with my new tagline.

MKM

8 posted on 09/02/2004 8:36:50 AM PDT by mykdsmom (Tolerance is the last virtue of a degenerate society)
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To: outlawcam
Excellent article.

This is the Mafia argument for immorality - if anybody in my family does something, it's OK because they're in my family.

Societies based on moral principles rather than moral nepotism have civilizations that survive.

9 posted on 09/02/2004 8:37:12 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: outlawcam

This is exactly right. I see it all the time among "progressive" friends. They call anyone who makes a moral judgment "judgmental," even as they themselves berate and condemn such people as hypocrites or worse.


10 posted on 09/02/2004 8:44:04 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: Vision

Especially if the whore in question is a US Senator who hopes to become President.


11 posted on 09/02/2004 8:44:59 AM PDT by sharktrager (The road to hell is paved with good intentions. And the paving contractor lives in Chappaqua.)
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To: outlawcam

You can hate the sin but still love the sinner. If a sinner is unrepentant and leading a self-destructive lifestyle, it is hardly the thing to do to embrace that person's lifestyle choice.


12 posted on 09/02/2004 8:45:46 AM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: outlawcam
Yeah, an article is fine, but here is a picture, and I think it says it all.

from her site: http://www.jeannetteangell.com/

13 posted on 09/02/2004 8:49:24 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: outlawcam

The author is right on the money. Love the sinner, but hate the sin. Love does not mean affirming immoral or sinful behavior.


14 posted on 09/02/2004 8:52:21 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: madprof98

That's what I think is funny about their argument. They are being judgmental of those who are exercising a judgment on the premise that judging is morally wrong. It is self-contradictory and unsupportable by logic.


15 posted on 09/02/2004 8:53:51 AM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: outlawcam

Bump!


16 posted on 09/02/2004 8:54:26 AM PDT by mtbrandon49
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To: outlawcam

Perhaps if she'd gotten an MBA instead of a useless degree in social anthropology, she wouldn't have to have sold her body?


17 posted on 09/02/2004 8:56:16 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: outlawcam
"Would you discriminate against someone because he or she is gay?"

Two job applicants.
All other things being equal.
One is homo, one is hetero.

I hire the hetero.

Sorry, but the hetero has a much less chance of contracting a life threatening disease than the homo.

18 posted on 09/02/2004 8:56:38 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: wideawake

maybe Cheney ought to read this ,too?


19 posted on 09/02/2004 8:57:22 AM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the piece)
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To: George Smiley
Do Yale hookers summon the maid to perform the act?

LOL!

20 posted on 09/02/2004 8:58:01 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: MrShoop
Um.

She's reasonable.

But I sure wouldn't pay.

21 posted on 09/02/2004 8:59:10 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: outlawcam
Imagine that, an honest Ivy League professor????

Pray for W and Our Troops

22 posted on 09/02/2004 9:02:30 AM PDT by bray (Some men have skeletons in their closets, some have cemetaries!!)
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To: Lazamataz
But I sure wouldn't pay.

You obviously know how to make a hormone ...

23 posted on 09/02/2004 9:05:56 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: outlawcam

Personally I have always been in favor of legalisation of prostitution., Its really stupid to make something illegal that has existed from the beginning of tiem. What is worse taking money for sex or giving sex for a job, a pay raise, or for that matter a marriage.

Tell me the difference between a prostitute and a woman who marries for money. or for that matter John Kerry a man who marries for money.


24 posted on 09/02/2004 9:06:14 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: outlawcam
And so tolerance has become the new morality. Those who condemn homosexuality are morally wrong.

TOLERANCE OF EVIL IS NOT A VIRTUE.

25 posted on 09/02/2004 9:06:44 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: outlawcam; Lazamataz; sharktrager
Apparently, Angell began trading sex for cash after receiving her doctorate in social anthropology.

For $50.00 she'll blow your mind. (cringing in case the mods are around).

26 posted on 09/02/2004 9:07:16 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Only Arnold would have the stones to say Nixon was the reason he was a Republican.)
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To: Lazamataz
She's reasonable.

Um...did I miss where she stated her price? '-}

27 posted on 09/02/2004 9:08:09 AM PDT by TXnMA
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To: outlawcam
we don't have to condemn her as a whore, but we can sure call her one. especially whilst she affects that pious attitude.
28 posted on 09/02/2004 9:11:50 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: sgtbono2002
Personally I have always been in favor of legalisation of prostitution

AFAIK, sex is the only thing it is legal to give away for free but illegal to sell.

A woman can go out and have sex with as many guys as she wants, but as soon as she charges them for the act, it becomes a crime. Strange.

29 posted on 09/02/2004 9:12:10 AM PDT by Modernman (Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.)
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To: Modernman
sex is the only thing it is legal to give away

Sex cannot in the literal sense be given away. It can only be shared.

30 posted on 09/02/2004 9:17:25 AM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: outlawcam

"The same progression holds true for gay marriage: tolerance, acceptance and promotion. The first step is always tolerance, and tolerance must be attained by appealing to sympathy. The easiest way to gain sympathy for social liberalism is to point out close friends or relatives participating in sin, and then dare us to condemn their actions.

So can we condemn Jeannette Angell as a whore? Can we condemn homosexuality or abortion as sinful? Of course we can."

Of course we can. Words of wisdom, needed here at FR

Cheers,

Richard F.


31 posted on 09/02/2004 9:18:42 AM PDT by rdf ("Endowed, by their Creator, with .... rights")
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To: outlawcam

She is not a looker.


32 posted on 09/02/2004 9:19:35 AM PDT by Max Combined
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To: outlawcam
Sex cannot in the literal sense be given away. It can only be shared.

I guess that's true, semantically. Okay, how about this: being paid for engaging in a sex act is the only aspect of sex between consenting adults that is still illegal in this country. Why does the addition of capitalism into the mix make sex illegal?

33 posted on 09/02/2004 9:21:16 AM PDT by Modernman (Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.)
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To: garyhope
Perhaps if she'd gotten an MBA instead of a useless degree in social anthropology, she wouldn't have to have sold her body?

Au contraire. The leopard cannot change its spots.

However, greater knowledge of supply and demand (not to mention the invisible hand) would have undoubtedly led to a higher price per unit.

34 posted on 09/02/2004 9:23:32 AM PDT by George Smiley (The only 180 that Kerry hasn't done is the one that would release ALL his military records.)
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To: Modernman
"AFAIK, sex is the only thing it is legal to give away for free but illegal to sell."

It gets even better when you consider the fact that it's ok to sell sex so long as you film it and sell the videos. After all, what are porn stars if not highly-paid prostitutes being filmed?
35 posted on 09/02/2004 9:24:11 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Conservatism begins at home. Security begins at the border. Please, someone, secure our borders.)
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To: NJ_gent
After all, what are porn stars if not highly-paid prostitutes being filmed?

Well, few of them are highly-paid, but your point still stands.

36 posted on 09/02/2004 9:28:47 AM PDT by Modernman (Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.)
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To: rdf
So can we condemn Jeannette Angell as a whore? Can we condemn homosexuality or abortion as sinful? Of course we can."

Of course we can. Words of wisdom, needed here at FR

But does that automatically translate into a political agenda? Is beating you wife sinful, and should we have supported the VAWA?

37 posted on 09/02/2004 9:33:13 AM PDT by tacticalogic ( Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: tacticalogic

Depends on what she did to deserve it.


38 posted on 09/02/2004 9:41:31 AM PDT by karnage
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To: outlawcam
"We could be your mother, your sister, your girlfriend, your daughter. Even your college professor.

Hey babe, you know your own family best. (Certainly no shock about the college professors.) Judging by your picture you must rely on volume instead of price.

39 posted on 09/02/2004 10:03:37 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (A Progressive is only a Liberal with an Earl Scheib paintjob.)
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To: Just another Joe
Also, you're less likely to be sued for discrimination (real or perceived) by the hetero.

Guy at work was fired for downloading gay porn. Gigs and Gigs of porn. He sued, stating that he was fired for his sexual orientation. The reality was that he was canned for violating company policy AND because he was an idiot. Who surfs for porn at work? And downloads it, then turns his PC in to be worked on by the IT staff?

40 posted on 09/02/2004 10:05:22 AM PDT by wbill
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Who surfs for porn at work? And downloads it, then turns his PC in to be worked on by the IT staff?

What is a gay Democrat, Alex.

41 posted on 09/02/2004 10:10:09 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: outlawcam
...receiving her doctorate in social anthropology.... The logic goes something like this: If you have a relative who engages in a sinful act, the act cannot be condemned. After all, blood is thicker than morality, right? Loyalty to the tribe comes before loyalty to moral values.

Obviously, her doctorate studies never covered the topic of "banishment." Most societies practiced banishment as a way of ridding themselves of those that violated social taboos, while maintaining the illusion of not direct killing of the violator. (They usually died out of sight and at a time and in a way unknown to the tribe that banished them.)

So no, loyalty to the tribe or to blood relatives does not outweigh social demands to conform to tribal moral values.

42 posted on 09/02/2004 10:30:47 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: outlawcam

Is she hot?


43 posted on 09/02/2004 10:31:00 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: kjenerette

...issue.


44 posted on 09/02/2004 10:31:29 AM PDT by Van Jenerette (US Army(1967-1991) - Infantry OCS Hall of Fame, Ft. Benning (2001 Inductee))
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To: Max Combined

Blech.... She is not hot. I get better for free.


45 posted on 09/02/2004 10:32:32 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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To: karnage
Depends on what she did to deserve it.

Let's say she used up the last of the Hoppes No.9 cleaning her shotgun, and didn't tell you, or buy more.

46 posted on 09/02/2004 10:33:28 AM PDT by tacticalogic ( Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: outlawcam
"Would you discriminate against someone because he or she is gay?" Moore asked the man.

Sure I would.

I would be a damnfool to take an unscreened blood donation from one, have sex with one, or let one choose my clothing.

I discriminate for a whole lot of reasons, and anyone who claims they don't discriminate is either a liar or too stupid to trust with any judgements that adults deal with daily.

47 posted on 09/02/2004 10:37:40 AM PDT by LexBaird (This opinion was tagged and released into the wild. Please report all sightings.)
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To: Max Combined
She is not a looker.

You misspelled that last word...

48 posted on 09/02/2004 10:40:11 AM PDT by LexBaird (This opinion was tagged and released into the wild. Please report all sightings.)
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To: tacticalogic

Never try to beat a woman who owns her own shotgun.


49 posted on 09/02/2004 10:41:48 AM PDT by LexBaird (This opinion was tagged and released into the wild. Please report all sightings.)
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To: LexBaird
Never try to beat a woman who owns her own shotgun.

IMHO, anyone who would doesn't need to know that.

50 posted on 09/02/2004 10:49:31 AM PDT by tacticalogic ( Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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