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WHEN THE KILLERS COME FOR THE KIDS
New York Post ^ | 9/04/04 | RALPH PETERS

Posted on 09/03/2004 11:28:48 PM PDT by kattracks

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As they inevitably do, the terrorists reminded the world of their heartless barbarism. Even if France manages to beg the release of its kidnapped journalists in Iraq, it has begun to sense its vulnerability. And all Europeans with a vestige of sense will recognize that the school seizure in Russia could easily repeat itself in Languedoc or Umbria, Bavaria or Kent.

An attack on children is an attack on all of humanity.

No matter what differences Western states discover to divide them, the terrorists will bring us together in the end. Their atrocities expose all wishful thinking for what it is.

A final thought: Did any of those protesters who came to Manhattan to denounce our liberation of 50 million Muslims stay an extra day to protest the massacre in Russia? Of course not.

The protesters no more care for dead Russian children than they care for dead Kurds or for the hundreds of thousands of Arabs that Saddam Hussein executed. Or for the ongoing Arab-Muslim slaughter of blacks in Sudan. Nothing's a crime to those protesters unless the deed was committed by America.

The butchery in Russia was a crime against humanity. In every respect. Was any war ever more necessary or just than the War on Terror?

And what will terror's apologists say when the killers come for their own children?


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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cair; cairsilentonchechnya; jihad; muslims; ossetia; protestors; ralphpeters; silencefromcair; silenceissupport; whereiscair
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1 posted on 09/03/2004 11:28:48 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks

This sickness is part of Islam. All Islamic texts that discriminate against non-Muslims must be outlawed and deleted.


2 posted on 09/03/2004 11:32:04 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: kattracks

"And what will terror's apologists say when the killers come for their own children? "

That's an easy one. They'll say, "It's Bush's fault!"



3 posted on 09/03/2004 11:32:23 PM PDT by I still care (Have you heard about the Democrat cocktail? It's ketchup with a chaser.)
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To: kattracks
And what will terror's apologists say when the killers come for their own children?

My unscientific polling has revealed that 90% of the protestors like we saw in New York are childless.

4 posted on 09/03/2004 11:35:34 PM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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To: kattracks
And what will terror's apologists say when the killers come for their own children?

They'll sing, "Give Peace a Chance" and will give them the peace sign while their cretinous heads are being sawed off.

5 posted on 09/03/2004 11:39:10 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Wake Up, America!))))
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To: Free ThinkerNY
We're going to find out, sooner or later,

If Abdul will pray, to a glowing crater.

6 posted on 09/03/2004 11:42:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Zevonismymuse

that is often the case with leftists....especially the radical NWO-Black Shirt variety.


7 posted on 09/03/2004 11:45:07 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy; Bobby777; dennisw; FITZ
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Slaughtering the innocents violates a universal human taboo.

Or a nearly universal one. Those Muslims who preach Jihad against the West decided years ago that killing Jewish or Christian children is not only acceptable, but pleasing to their god when done by "martyrs."

It isn't politically correct to say this, of course. We're supposed to pretend that Islam is a "religion of peace." All right, then: It's time for Muslims to stand up for the once-noble, nearly lost traditions of their faith and condemn what Arab and Chechen terrorists and blasphemers did in the Russian town of Beslan.

If Muslim religious leaders around the world will not publicly condemn the taking of children as hostages and their subsequent slaughter — if those "men of faith" will not issue a condemnation without reservations or caveats — then no one need pretend any longer that all religions are equally sound and moral.

8 posted on 09/03/2004 11:45:24 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: kattracks

Glad to see you've finally got it Kat.


9 posted on 09/03/2004 11:48:49 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home - Georgia Democrat Zell Miller)
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To: Travis McGee

don't hold your breath.

maybe Salman Rushdie and his girlfriend might.


10 posted on 09/03/2004 11:49:03 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Travis McGee

having perused the internet korans for info, I just bought my own copy of the koran to study up (not to join!). there were several versions and I picked a conservative version ($29 retail but I got it off auction). I also bought a critical essay book on the ha'dith. quite interesting indeed. any Christian well-schooled in NT Biblical theology would immediate recognize dramatic contradictions between the Bible and the koran. it is this book which fuels their beliefs.


11 posted on 09/03/2004 11:49:36 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Squantos; Eaker; river rat
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We will hear complaints that the Russian special forces should have waited — even after the terrorists began shooting children. Negotiations are the heroin of Westerners addicted to self-delusion. Who among us would have waited when he or she saw fleeing children cut down by automatic weapons? The urge to protect children is as primal as any impulse we ever feel.

Make no mistake: No blame attaches to the Russians for the massacre at that school. The guilt is entirely upon the Islamic extremists who have led the religion they claim to cherish into the realms of nightmare.

12 posted on 09/03/2004 11:49:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

Someone needs to research the "group evolutionary strategy" of Mohammedanism. One tribe killing the children of another tribe is a very nasty tactic. It makes it impossible for the losing tribe to fight effectively due to losing future generations.


13 posted on 09/03/2004 11:50:54 PM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: Post Toasties; dennisw; SJackson; MeekOneGOP; B4Ranch; TrueBeliever9; Geist Krieger; JohnHuang2; ...
Even your children are on the Islamic *HIT* *LIST*.

Onward Muslim Soldiers - ping.

(The animals have managed to stoop to a new low in the bloodlust for infidel killing.)

14 posted on 09/03/2004 11:53:26 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home - Georgia Democrat Zell Miller)
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To: Happy2BMe

What made you believe I didn't get it before?


15 posted on 09/03/2004 11:54:45 PM PDT by kattracks (http://www.swiftvets.com/)
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To: Zevonismymuse
My unscientific polling has revealed that 90% of the protestors like we saw in New York are childless.

Let's hope you are right.

16 posted on 09/03/2004 11:56:31 PM PDT by kesg
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To: kattracks

And Kerry's answer to how to handle these Islamic fascist attacks? Silence.


17 posted on 09/03/2004 11:58:33 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: dennisw

On another thread, someone suggested that after such attacks, all of the mosques withing 1,000 KM should be razed, and churches or monuments to the victims of terror should be built there. Then all of the muslim children should be taken for adoption and raised as Christians.


18 posted on 09/04/2004 12:00:13 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

It reminds me of the way Nazis were able to kill civilian men, women and children after making them dig their own mass graves. The IslamiNazi enemy will show us no mercy. We had better start showing them none as well. We can't afford to fight a politically correct "sensitive" war as the fool Kerry and his bigger fool followers want us to do.


19 posted on 09/04/2004 12:01:35 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Wake Up, America!))))
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To: Zevonismymuse
My unscientific polling has revealed that 90% of the protestors like we saw in New York are childless.

I'll bet the 20 somethings and 30 somethings who staff the DNC, the Kerry-Edwards campaign, Moveon.org, other Democrat 527s are the same. Meaning that they tend towards rebellion and anarchism. They are rolling stones.
20 posted on 09/04/2004 12:02:40 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: Travis McGee

I believe the time is fast approaching -- where if the "moderate Muslims" of the world don't reign in the lunatics, and undergo "religious reformation", the Western Civilizations will have to deliver a blow horrible enough to "get their attention".

To date - that level of blow hasn't been delivered...

Semper Fi


21 posted on 09/04/2004 12:07:52 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: kattracks; All
I wrote this some time ago and while it is blunt, nothing that has transpired can persuede me that it is incorrect. From the file titled "Fire & Blood & Iron:"


The entire West ( dare I say "the civilized World?" ) is locked in a fight to the death with militant Islam.

There will be no second-place winner, no "third way" solution-- it is March or Die time, folks.

It is Us versus an eighth-century "culture" of plunder & pillage, forced religious "conversions," and the mistreatment of women.

The sooner we face up to this fact realistically and quit dancing around PC talking-point nonsense about diversity and tolerance, the better off we'll all be.

We did not pick this fight- which really has roots in Jimmy Carter's appeasement in 1979 of militants- but we had damned well better see it for what it is, and be prepared to face it and finish it.

I'll put it in raw, personal terms-- I don't want Sharia law visited upon my women, and I don't want a goat-roper "culture" infesting my land.

I don't want their vile, nasty, loathsome weapons of mass destruction loosed upon my fair country, either.

They picked the fight, and now it is up to us to finish it- balls to the wall, hammer and anvil, fire and blood and iron... freedom is never, ever free, and the coin you pay it in is men's lives and tears and blood.

What we saw during Gulf War I was our military doctrine ( high tech ) versus Soviet doctrine ( throw a lot of low tech iron at the problem )-- and we all know how that turned out.

What we have just seen in the 3-Week War is Information-Tech,
( What some are calling it Hyperwarfare... )
or 21st Century warfare versus 20th Century...

What I would suggest, and call your attention to, is the fact that we, and Israel, are capable of waging 21st Century warfare, and the entire Arab world is not.

Proven fact, by recent events.

One more thing- this will be a war where we are all called to be warriors- so I suggest to you that the time has come to get hard, and stay hard... it really is the time for Fire and Blood and Iron...


Furthermore, here are links, for those so inclined, for self-education about the threat the entire civilized world now faces:

-Islam, a Religion of Peace®? Some links...--

-Time to kick the tires & light the fires, folks- terrorism gathers across the World...--

-Jihad! Across the World....--

-All Terror, All the Time-- FR's links to NBC Warfare, Terror, and More...--

-IRAQ- some links to terror--

-The Web of Terror--

-Terror Tips--

-The Fire Down South...( Latin America--)--

Castro, the Carribean, and Terrorism

-Terror Strike! Madrid--

Nuclear, Biological, & Chemical Warfare- Survival Skills, Pt. II

-The Poor-Boy Nuke-- Bioterrorism***

-Jemaah Islamiah- Islamic Community, or Islamic Threat?--

22 posted on 09/04/2004 12:08:17 AM PDT by backhoe (Democrats- so 9-10 in a 9-11 World...)
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To: Travis McGee
On another thread, someone suggested that after such attacks, all of the mosques withing 1,000 KM should be razed, and churches or monuments to the victims of terror should be built there. Then all of the muslim children should be taken for adoption and raised as Christians.

This is a version of what Mohammedans have done down through history. Such as razing Churches and synagogues. Such as demanding and kidnapping Christian children in the Ottoman Empire and making them into Janissaries. Evolutionary biology in action. How do you increase your ranks and turf and decrease your enemy's.

Janissaries
... The Janissaries became famous for their military skills, but also because they were
staffed by youths conscripted from Christian families in the Balkans. ...
i-cias.com/e.o/janissaries.htm - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

23 posted on 09/04/2004 12:08:18 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: Travis McGee
all of the mosques withing 1,000 KM should be razed, and churches or monuments to the victims of terror should be built there

Bump to that. Just like in WWII, Nazi headquarters were destroyed and taken over.

24 posted on 09/04/2004 12:09:57 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Zevonismymuse
My unscientific polling has revealed that 90% of the protestors like we saw in New York are childless.

And 100% are childish.

25 posted on 09/04/2004 12:10:06 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Wake Up, America!))))
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To: Travis McGee
"... all of the mosques withing 1,000 KM should be razed, and churches or monuments to the victims of terror should be built there."

Works for me....and the Russians just might have the brass to follow through..

We sure don't....yet.

Semper Fi

26 posted on 09/04/2004 12:16:50 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: backhoe; Travis McGee
THE AGENDA OF ISLAM - A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS

by Professor Moshe Sharon

There is no Fundamental Islam

"Fundamentalism" is a word that came from the heart of the Christian religion. It means faith that goes by the word of the Bible. Fundamental Christianity, or going with the Bible, does not mean going around and killing people. There is no fundamental Islam. There is only Islam full stop. The question is how the Koran is interpreted.

All of a sudden we see that the greatest interpreters of Islam are politicians in the western world. They know better than all the speakers in the mosques, all those who deliver terrible sermons against anything that is either Christian or Jewish. These western politicians know that there is good Islam and bad Islam. They know even how to differentiate between the two, except that none of them know how to read a word of Arabic.

The Language of Islam

You see, so much is covered by politically correct language that, in fact, the truth has been lost. For example, when we speak about Islam in the west, we try to use our own language and terminology. We speak about Islam in terms of democracy and fundamentalism, in terms of parliamentarism and all kinds of terms, which we take from our own dictionary. One of my professors and one of the greatest orientalists in the world says that doing this is like a cricket reporter describing a cricket game in baseball terms. We cannot use for one culture or civilization the language of another. For Islam, you've got to use the language of Islam.

Driving Principles of Islam

Let me explain the principles that are driving the religion of Islam. Of course, every Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is only one God. But it's not enough to say that there is only one God. A Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is one God and Mohammed is his prophet. These are the fundamentals of the religion that without them, one cannot be a Moslem. But beyond that, Islam is a civilization. It is a religion that gave first and foremost a wide and unique legal system that engulfs the individual, society and nations with rules of behaviour. If you are Moslem, you have to behave according to the rules of Islam which are set down in the Koran and which are very different than the teachings of the Bible.

The Bible

Let me explain the difference. The Bible is the creation of the spirit of a nation over a very, very long period, if we talk from the point of view of the scholar, and let me remain scholarly. But there is one thing that is important in the Bible. It leads to salvation. It leads to salvation in two ways.

In Judaism, it leads to national salvation - not just a nation that wants to have a state, but a nation that wants to serve God. That's the idea behind the Hebrew text of the Bible.

The New Testament that took the Hebrew Bible moves us toward personal salvation. So we have got these two kinds of salvation, which, from time to time, meet each other.

But the key word is salvation. Personal salvation means that each individual is looked after by God, Himself, who leads a person through His word to salvation. This is the idea in the Bible, whether we are talking about the Old or the New Testament. All of the laws in the Bible, even to the minutest ones, are, in fact directed toward this fact of salvation.

Secondly, there is another point in the Bible, which is highly important. This is the idea that man was created in the image of God. Therefore, you don't just walk around and obliterate the image of God. Many people, of course, used Biblical rules and turned them upside down. History has seen a lot of massacres in the name of God and in the name of Jesus. But as religions, both Judaism and Christianity in their fundamentals speak about honouring the image of God and the hope of salvation. These are the two basic fundamentals.

The Essence of Islam

Now let's move to the essence of Islam. Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world. Let's look, then, at the difference between these three religions. Judaism speaks about national salvation - namely that at the end of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sins, while Islam speaks about ruling the world. I can quote here in Arabic, but there is no point in quoting Arabic, so let me quote a verse in English. "Allah sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions."

The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Moslem world at this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of Islam.

When the Islamic empire was established in 634 AD, within seven years - 640 - the core of the empire was created. The rules that were taken from the Koran and from the tradition that was ascribed to the prophet Mohammed, were translated into a real legal system. Jews and Christians could live under Islam provided they paid poll tax and accepted Islamic superiority. Of course, they had to be humiliated. And Jews and Christians living under Islam are humiliated to this very day.

Mohammed Held That All the Biblical Prophets Were Moslems

Mohammed did accept the existence of all the Biblical prophets before him. However he also said that all these prophets were Moslems. Abraham was a Moslem. In fact, Adam himself was the first Moslem. Isaac and Jacob and David and Solomon and Moses and Jesus were all Moslems, and all of them had writings similar to the Koran. Therefore, world history is Islamic history because all the heroes of history were Moslems.

Furthermore, Moslems accept the fact that each of these prophets brought with him some kind of a revelation. Moses, brought the Taurat, which is the Torah, and Jesus brought the Ingeel, which is the Evangelion or Gospel - namely the New Testament.

The Bible versus the Koran

Why then is the Bible not similar to the Koran? Mohammed explains that the Jews and Christians forged their books. Had they not been changed and forged, they would have been identical to the Koran. But because Christians and Jews do have some truth, Islam concedes that they cannot be completely destroyed by war [for now]. Nevertheless, the laws are very clear - Jews and Christians have no rights whatsoever to independent existence. They can live under Islamic rule provided they keep to the rules that Islam promulgates for them.

Islamic Rule and Jihad

What happens if Jews and Christians don't want to live under the rules of Islam? Then Islam has to fight them and this fighting is called Jihad. Jihad means war against those people who don't want to accept the Islamic superior rule. That's jihad. They may be Jews; they may be Christians; they may be Polytheists. But since we don't have too many Polytheists left, at least not in the Middle East - their war is against the Jews and Christians.

A few days ago, I received a pamphlet that was distributed in the world by bin Laden. He calls for jihad against America as the leader of the Christian world, not because America is the supporter of Israel, but because Americans are desecrating Arabia with their filthy feet. There are Americans in Arabia where no Christians should be. In this pamphlet there is not a single word about Israel. Only that Americans are desecrating the home of the prophet.

Two Houses

The Koran sees the world as divided into two - one part which has come under Islamic rule and one part which is supposed to come under Islamic rule in the future. There is a division of the world which is very clear. Every single person who starts studying Islam knows it. The world is described as Dar al-Islam (the house of Islam) - that's the place where Islam rules - and the other part which is called Dar al-Harb - the house of war. Not the "house of non-Muslims," but the "house of war." It is this house of war which has to be, at the end of time, conquered. The world will continue to be in the house of war until it comes under Islamic rule. This is the norm. Why? Because Allah says it's so in the Koran. God has sent Mohammed with the true religion in order that the truth will overcome all other religions.

Islamic Law

Within the Islamic vision of this world, there are rules that govern the lives of the Moslems themselves, and these rules are very strict. In fundamentals, there are no differences between schools of law.

However, there are four streams of factions within Islam with differences between them concerning the minutiae of the laws. All over the Islamic world, countries have favored one or another of these schools of laws. The strictest school of law is called Hanbali, mainly coming out of Saudi Arabia. There are no games there, no playing around with the meanings of words. If the Koran speaks about war, then it's war.

There are various perspectives in Islam with different interpretations over the centuries. There were good people that were very enlightened in Islam that tried to understand things differently. They even brought traditions from the mouth of the prophet that women and children should not be killed in war.

These more liberal streams do exist, but there is one thing that is very important for us to remember. The Hanbali school of law is extremely strict, and today this is the school that is behind most of the terrorist powers. Even if we talk about the existence of other schools of Islamic law, when we're talking about fighting against the Jews, or fighting against the Christian world led by America, it is the Hanbali school of law that is being followed.

Islam and Territory

This civilization created one very important, fundamental rule about territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-Islamized. Even if at one time or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes over the territory that was under Islamic rule, it is considered to be perpetually Islamic.

This is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you hear - territory, territory, territory. There are other aspects to the conflict, but territory is highly important.

The Christian civilization has not only been seen as a religious opponent, but as a dam stopping Islam from achieving its final goal for which it was created.

Islam was created to be the army of God, the army of Allah. Every single Moslem is a soldier in this army. Every single Moslem that dies in fighting for the spread of Islam is a shaheed (martyr) no matter how he dies, because - and this is very important - this is an eternal war between the two civilizations. It's not a war that stops. This war is there because it was created by Allah. Islam must be the ruler. This is a war that will not end.

Islam and Peace

Peace in Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; peace can only be between Moslem and Moslem.

With the non-Moslem world or non-Moslem opponents, there can be only one solution - a cease fire until Moslems can gain more power. It is an eternal war until the end of days. Peace can only come if the Islamic side wins. The two civilizations can only have periods of cease-fires. And this idea of cease-fire is based on a very important historical precedent, which, incidentally, Yasser Arafat referred to when he spoke in Johannesburg after he signed the Oslo agreement with Israel.

Let me remind you that the document speaks of peace - you wouldn't believe that you are reading! You would think that you were reading some science fiction piece. I mean when you read it, you can't believe that this was signed by Israelis who are actually acquainted with Islamic policies and civilization.

A few weeks after the Oslo agreement was signed, Arafat went to Johannesburg, and in a mosque there he made a speech in which he apologized, saying, "Do you think I signed something with the Jews which is contrary to the rules of Islam?" (I have obtained a copy of Arafat's recorded speech so I heard it from his own mouth.) Arafat continued, "That's not so. I'm doing exactly what the prophet Mohammed did."

Whatever the prophet is supposed have done becomes a precedent. What Arafat was saying was, "Remember the story of Hodaybiya." The prophet had made an agreement there with the tribe of Kuraish for 10 years. But then he trained 10,000 soldiers and within two years marched on their city of Mecca. He, of course, found some kind of pretext.

Thus, in Islamic jurisdiction, it became a legal precedent which states that you are only allowed to make peace for a maximum of 10 years. Secondly, at the first instance that you are able, you must renew the jihad [thus breaking the "peace" agreement].

In Israel, it has taken over 50 years in this country for our people to understand that they cannot speak about [permanent] peace with Moslems. It will take another 50 years for the western world to understand that they have got a state of war with the Islamic civilization that is virile and strong. This should be understood: When we talk about war and peace, we are not talking in Belgium, French, English, or German terms. We are talking about war and peace in Islamic terms.

Cease-fire as a Tactical Choice

What makes Islam accept cease-fire? Only one thing - when the enemy is too strong. It is a tactical choice.

Sometimes, he may have to agree to a cease-fire in the most humiliating conditions. It's allowed because Mohammed accepted a cease-fire under humiliating conditions. That's what Arafat said to them in Johannesburg. When western policy makers hear these things, they answer, "What are you talking about? You are in the Middle Ages. You don't understand the mechanisms of politics."

Which mechanisms of politics? There are no mechanisms of politics where power is. And I want to tell you one thing - we haven't seen the end of it, because the minute a radical Moslem power has atomic, chemical or biological weapons, they will use it. I have no doubt about that.

Now, since we face war and we know that we cannot get more than an impermanent cease-fire, one has to ask himself what is the major component of an Israeli/Arab cease-fire. It is that the Islamic side is weak and your side is strong. The relations between Israel and the Arab world in the last 50 years since the establishment of our State has been based only on this idea, the deterrent power.

Wherever You Have Islam, You Will Have War

The reason that we have what we have in Yugoslavia and other places is because Islam succeeded into entering these countries. Wherever you have Islam, you will have war. It grows out of the attitude of Islamic civilization.

What are the poor people in the Philippines being killed for? What's happening between Pakistan and India?

Islamic Infiltration

Furthermore, there is another fact that must be remembered. The Islamic world has not only the attitude of open war, but there's also war by infiltration.

One of the things which the western world is not paying enough attention to is the tremendous growth of Islamic power in the western world. What happened in America and the Twin Towers is not something that came from the outside. And if America doesn't wake up, one day the Americans will find themselves in a chemical war and most likely in an atomic war - inside the U.S.

End of Days

It is highly important to understand how a civilization sees the end of days. In Christianity and in Judaism, we know exactly what is the vision of the end of days.

In Judaism, it is going to be as in Isaiah - peace between nations, not just one nation, but between all nations. People will not have any more need for weapons and nature will be changed - a beautiful end of days and the kingdom of God on earth.

Christianity goes as far as Revelation to see a day that Satan himself is obliterated. There are no more powers of evil. That's the vision.

I'm speaking now as a historian. I try to understand how Islam sees the end of days. In the end of days, Islam sees a world that is totally Moslem, completely Moslem under the rule of Islam. Complete and final victory.

Christians will not exist, because according to many Islamic traditions, the Moslems who are in hell will have to be replaced by somebody and they'll be replaced by the Christians.

The Jews will no longer exist, because before the coming of the end of days, there is going to be a war against the Jews where all Jews should be killed. I'm quoting now from the heart of Islamic tradition, from the books that are read by every child in school. The Jews will all be killed. They'll be running away and they'll be hiding behind trees and rocks, and on that day Allah will give mouths to the rocks and trees and they will say, "Oh Moslem come here, there is a Jew behind me, kill him." Without this, the end of days cannot come. This is a fundamental of Islam.

Is There a Possibility to End This Dance of War?

The question which we in Israel are asking ourselves is what will happen to our country? Is there a possibility to end this dance of war?

The answer is, "No. Not in the foreseeable future." What we can do is reach a situation where for a few years we may have relative quiet.

But for Islam, the establishment of the state of Israel was a reverse of Islamic history. First, Islamic territory was taken away from Islam by Jews. You know by now that this can never be accepted, not even one meter. So everyone who thinks Tel Aviv is safe is making a grave mistake. Territory, which at one time was dominated by Islamic rule, now has become non-Moslem. Non-Moslems are independent of Islamic rule; Jews have created their own independent state. It is anathema.

And (this is the worst) Israel, a non-Moslem state, is ruling over Moslems. It is unthinkable that non-Moslems should rule over Moslems.

I believe that Western civilization should hold together and support each other. Whether this will happen or not, I don't know. Israel finds itself on the front lines of this war. It needs the help of its sister civilization. It needs the help of America and Europe. It needs the help of the Christian world. One thing I am sure about, this help can be given by individual Christians who see this as the road to salvation.

27 posted on 09/04/2004 12:29:26 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home - Georgia Democrat Zell Miller)
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To: river rat; B4Ranch
We won't have that kind of brass until we have enough of it to close our border with Mexico.

And with all the lovey-dovey "Spanish vote" sucking up going on this year by both parties, what little brass we do have is not enough to raise an eyebrow in Mexico City.

28 posted on 09/04/2004 12:31:37 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home - Georgia Democrat Zell Miller)
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To: kattracks; AFPhys; prairiebreeze; onyx; Texasforever; CyberAnt; BigSkyFreeper; Tamsey; ...
The protesters no more care for dead Russian children than they care for dead Kurds or for the hundreds of thousands of Arabs that Saddam Hussein executed. Or for the ongoing Arab-Muslim slaughter of blacks in Sudan. Nothing's a crime to those protesters unless the deed was committed by America.
29 posted on 09/04/2004 12:45:04 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: kattracks
And what will terror's apologists say when the killers come for their own children?

"Hey thanks...now I can spend my abortion savings on dope."

30 posted on 09/04/2004 12:52:59 AM PDT by BikerTrash (Enough already with the carnival freak show...bring back COOL!)
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To: kattracks; Mo1

France, Germany and Russia will not learn a lesson collectively from any of this. (Russian school massacre, airline bombings, captured French journalists). They'll all get together for an Axis of Weasel conference, and collectively butt heads together to hammer out details to try to negotiate a peace settlement with the butchers.


31 posted on 09/04/2004 1:27:44 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: taxesareforever
Give Kerry the benefit of the doubt. He'll act pre-emptively after the UN gives him a blanque cheque (little French lingo there) once we've been hit again. Aside from that, he'll remind the killers he served in Veetnam, and swerved in Cambodia.
32 posted on 09/04/2004 1:32:19 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: taxesareforever

This nation will be pedal-to-the-metal "Queer Eye For The Arab Guy" if Kerry gets in the White House.


33 posted on 09/04/2004 1:33:20 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: kattracks
And what will terror's apologists say when the killers come for their own children?

"HALIBURTON! HALIBURTON! HALIBURTON!"

I only wish I were kidding.

34 posted on 09/04/2004 1:48:25 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: dennisw

Roe v Wade allows us to do it to ourselves; so we can remain private.


35 posted on 09/04/2004 2:26:49 AM PDT by Atchafalaya
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To: kattracks

I have to say what these subhumans did fell to a new level in human history. Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot didn't reach this far into hell.


36 posted on 09/04/2004 3:27:36 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: kattracks

The shocking barbarity in Beslan is why I'm not a liberal. I believe there is a difference between good and evil and as God gives us the right to see the right, we must also do our outmost to ensure the triumph of righteousness, justice and freedom on this Earth. For the victims of 9/11 and the victims of Beslan.


37 posted on 09/04/2004 3:32:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: kattracks


On a few website bulletin boards, I have used the term PEACE NAZI to describe the peace movement in general, and one person asked me for an explanation as to what the term means and why I say it. Here is my answer:

It is intentionally derogatory, and I use it because I believe it has to be said.

It has to do with the foundation of the PEACE movement in the US and abroad and their Communist foundation, and how the majority of the signs held and slogans chanted are not about peace or genuine concern for the people of two warring countries, it is about the anti-American attitudes and the violence-inducing signs and slogans calling for violence against American Troops and President Bush.

Carrying signs calling on troops to kill their officers, to bomb Texas, for Bush to choke on a pretzel and die, for troops to shoot their officers, signs that call for communist revolution, starting fights with people who disagree with you while carrying a peace sign, trying to steal my money in Boston while carrying a peace sign and then telling me because you were shamed into giving back the money that means you are ok after all...

Things like that.

I will NOT stop using it. It is intended to make the peace protestor think.

After all the horrors we found in Iraq, you should all be thankful we went in and invaded to remove that madman. Yet, the mantra has changed, it is now against occupation! Still, not one PEACE NAZI has apologized and admitted we were right. All they do is complain that a people that were under slavery for 30 years have gone looting, and who do they blame? Why the US!! We did nothing to stop it! Maybe because we stayed out of the crowd because the PEACE NAZIS would have complained we didn’t let them vent their anger??

(As a side note, people who are now called PEACE NAZIS didn’t call on the LAPD or Federal Troops to stop the LA riots after the Rodney King riots, did they? They told us all to step back and let them vent their anger, yet all of a sudden, we are supposed to go in and use force to stop rioters in Iraq?)

We never intended to occupy a country like SYRIA has the last 20 years, and where are the PEACE NAZIS and their signs calling on SYRIA to leave Lebanon? They are non existent. The Syrians killed tens of thousands, chasing little children into bedrooms and shooting them point blank.

Did you know there was a Christian Community in Beirut before 1985? Now, they are almost either all killed or fled from the Syrian backed Junta, and not a peep from the PEACE NAZIS, only against American forces sent to Beirut to keep peace. Why arent the PEACE NAZIS arguing for the return of the Christian Community back to Beirut where they lived for 2 Millennium?

In fact, there is not a single country that we ever went to war with that we stayed as the government power for more than 10 years! We always returned it to the people.

And that brings up another point: PEACE NAZIS are NOT against war, they are against wars that the US is engaged in to overthrow pro-Communist or PRO-radical Islamic regimes or PRO-Maoist/PRO-Stalinist regimes.

My point here, is simple: These COMMIES are not for peace. If they were, they would have been screaming about Clinton killing innocents to keep his sexual scandals off the tv,

they would have been screaming for the Hutus and Tutsis to make peace,

they would have been screaming for that madman Saddam to stop killing Kurds or Iranians,

they would have been screaming for the Turks to stop killing Kurds or Greeks,

they would have been screaming for the Chinese to stop killing Vietnamese in 1982,

they would have been screaming for the Angolan Army to stop killing with the help of the Cuban Army in the 1980's,

they would have been screaming for the Muslims to stop killing Christians in Indonesia

They would have been screaming for the Sudanese to stop the torture and slave trade which continues today

They would have been screaming when the Syrians invaded Lebanon in 1985

They would have been screaming when Pol Pot started a genocide in 1975,

They would be screaming now about Mugabe killing all the white farmers in Africa in Zimbabwe

They would have been screaming at the murders caused by the African National Congress and their necklacing of prisoners and at Winnie Mandela who was convicted of murder, yet the communists are silent

They would have been screaming about Tiananmen Square, but they are silent.

They would have been screaming about the repression in Cuba and why so many people have chosen to flee in rickety little boats, but instead they lionize that dictator, Castro

They would have been screaming about the invasion of South Vietnam where the north started a genocide campaign in direct violation of the Paris Peace Accords of 1973 and caused over 2 million Vietnamese to flee in little boats that got picked up by ships like mine in 1981

They would be screaming at the Palestinians for their suicide bombings that intentionally target innocent school age children


Except, the only time they scream is when the US is at war against a tyrant who is support by Russia.

And since NAZI is one of the most vile insults you can give someone in our last two generations, I call them PEACE NAZIS, for they are not for peace, they are for war, they are for the overthrow of my country and into communism and anarchy, and they are a violent bunch who base their foundation on lies and the telling of lies and the repeating of lies.


38 posted on 09/04/2004 3:54:25 AM PDT by RaceBannon (KERRY FLED . . . WHILE GOOD MEN BLED!!)
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To: backhoe
The entire West ( dare I say "the civilized World?" ) is locked in a fight to the death with militant Islam.

That's where you are WRONG. The entire world is under attack -- and that includes Orthodox nations like Russia, Buddhist nations like Thailand, Hindu nations like India, and Israel. THis is not the west againstIslam but the civilised WORLD againstIslam
39 posted on 09/04/2004 4:26:44 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Happy2BMe

I would rather have catholic Mexicans thanIslamic nutjobs anyday.


40 posted on 09/04/2004 4:29:58 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Happy2BMe

This should be required reading by all Americans.


41 posted on 09/04/2004 5:00:23 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Travis McGee

A question that is not asked is were the Russians supposed to wait while these precious children were starved to death or died of thirst? This was one of those damned if you do and if you don't situations.


42 posted on 09/04/2004 5:18:37 AM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: Happy2BMe; Post Toasties; dennisw; SJackson; B4Ranch; TrueBeliever9; Geist Krieger; JohnHuang2


From the article:

A final thought: Did any of those protesters who came to Manhattan to denounce our liberation of 50 million Muslims stay an extra day to protest the massacre in Russia? Of course not.

The protesters no more care for dead Russian children than they care for dead Kurds or for the hundreds of thousands of Arabs that Saddam Hussein executed. Or for the ongoing Arab-Muslim slaughter of blacks in Sudan. Nothing's a crime to those protesters unless the deed was committed by America.

The butchery in Russia was a crime against humanity. In every respect. Was any war ever more necessary or just than the War on Terror?

And what will terror's apologists say when the killers come for their own children?


They will say "It's Bush's fault", "Bush lied", "Blah! blah! blah!" .....



43 posted on 09/04/2004 5:20:13 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: kattracks
Great article! Make sure everyone reads the whole thing! Very powerful.
44 posted on 09/04/2004 5:26:23 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: Happy2BMe
Absolutely truthful and brilliant article.

All western civilization needs to read this and take it to their heart, especially the leaders of our governments.

The only respite you or going to get from Islam is while they regroup and reload. Thanks Happy.

45 posted on 09/04/2004 5:45:31 AM PDT by mississippi red-neck
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To: MeekOneGOP
Did you know that besides the terrorists being Islamic and had Arabs with them, and that this town and school is Christian?

This town and it's people (it's school children) are not actively (at least I don't believe) involved in the whole Russian - Chechyen thing? They were targeted by Islamo-nazis because they are Christian and not because they have persecuted or slaughtered Chechyens.... The mainstream media will not tell you this.

These Chechyens (or Islamo-nazis) are not "rebels" "militants" "insurgents" "freedom fighters" "breakaway separatists" fighting for a free Chechnya. That is total media crap. These are Islamist living in Russian land (like we have in Detroit or Los Angeles) who are fighting and terrorizing their surrounding countrymen. In reality, it's just like the Balkans with the Christian Serbs and the Islamic Croatians or Albanians? So, the same could happen in Detroit or LA or elsewhere where Islamics are in large numbers, who might try to become a separate country/state/entity?? right here n the U.S.A.

It has already happened in Belgium. It is going to happen in France and Germany and Spain for sure...the Islamics want to reclaim land they believe they lost in Spain when they were driven out.

So, bottom line, coming to a city near us? As Drudge says: "Developing..........................."

46 posted on 09/04/2004 7:33:49 AM PDT by KriegerGeist (Lifetime membership of the "Radical-Right-Wing-Kook-Factor")
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To: kattracks
[T]he school seizure in Russia could easily repeat itself in Languedoc or Umbria, Bavaria or Kent

or East Orange, New Jersey. And when the Killers come for the Kids, John Kerry will DEMAND that George Bush go the United Nations and apologize.

47 posted on 09/04/2004 7:39:20 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ("And oftentimes, to win us to our harm, the instruments of darkness tell us truths")
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To: taxesareforever
And Kerry's answer to how to handle these Islamic fascist attacks?

Kerry's answer is that we should be more sensitive in the war on terror.

48 posted on 09/04/2004 7:42:35 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Graybeard - Illinois resident - Keyes voter)
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To: Travis McGee

Did slackjaw Kerry say anything about the Russian 9-11?


49 posted on 09/04/2004 7:44:47 AM PDT by rintense (Results matter.)
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To: dennisw
Onward Christian soldiers (Janissaries. Christian boys were forced to fight for Islam)
50 posted on 09/04/2004 8:32:23 AM PDT by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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