Colin Powell has a great line to handle the liberator vs occupier nonsenes. Something like "We have not taken by occupation enough space to bury our dead that liberated them".
BTW - This year veterans day comes early. I figure 03NOV04.
Thank you both. I didn't know what Zell was quoting & I'm glad to have it. And I'm happy to be reminded of that really glorious line from Colin Powell. I heard him say that (to the UN, wasn't it?) & it took my breath away.