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To: Dec31,1999

Nice passage from the Koran. Here's a few from the Old Testament:

1 Sam 15: Samuel said to Saul. "I am the one whom the Lord sent to annoint you king of his people Israel. Now listen to what the Lord Almighty says. He is going to punish the people of Amalek because their ancestors opposed the Israelites when they were coming to Egypt. Go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Don't leave a thing, kill all the men, women, children and babies; the cattle, sheep, camels and donkeys."

Your Koran passage was pretty vicious too, but the above passage describes killing (ordered allegedly by God) for being infidels too. That's my point. There can be passages taken from the Old Testament as well as the Koran to demonize a particular religion.

Here's another:

Hosea 9: 10-12

The Lord is angry that Israel was worshipping false Gods (i.e being infidels). So he pronounces judgement.

"Israel's greatness will fly away like a bird, and there will be no more children born to them, no more women pregnant, no more children conceived. But then if they did bring up children, I would take them away and not leave one alive."

One can say the Lord ordered this, just as a Muslim can say Allah ordered atrocities. Do you understand the point I making in general about religious fanaticism? I fully understand that Muslims, still being in the less civilized state, would commit atrocities, just as bible followers did before they were civilized. Hence I am not saying that there are not whacked out Muslims, I am saying the majority are probably not militant freaks. I don't judge Jews (the way anti-semites do) on the basis of a few passages in the Old Testament, nor will I judge all Muslims on the basis of a few equally atrocious passages in the Koran.

Here's another:

Hosea 13: 16--"Samaria must be punished for rebelling against me. Her people will die in war, babies will be dashed to the ground, and pregnant women will be ripped open."

This passage is allegedly a quote from God. So please don't try to tell me it wasn't written that God didn't instruct these things because it is written in black and white. The point, originally, was that those opposed to our religion can use such passages to paint us as all fundamentalist whackos.


391 posted on 09/05/2004 3:50:55 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: followerofchrist

Here's another --- as long as you're playing the role of Islamic apologist:


The Khartoum regime has declared a jihad against the mostly Christian and animist south that has resulted in more than 2 million deaths and 4.5 million displaced people in the past two decades. The U.S. Congress has termed the government's actions genocide and recently passed a bill, the Sudan Peace Act, that punishes the Islamist regime for its atrocities. Secretary of State Colin Powell called the kidnappings, killings, rape and enslavement "the worst human rights nightmare on the planet."

"As a black African woman, I cannot and will not be silent as black men in Arab nations are chained up like dogs to the back doors of Muslim households and fed, literally, from doggie bowls," Boof said in a statement she issued regarding the fatwa. "I will not be silent as African women are raped, mutilated and mentally demeaned by sadistic human beings calling themselves children of Allah. I will not be silent as the number of little black boys who are sodomized by their Arab masters continues to soar, while even worse atrocities attend the lives of little black girls."

By Kola Boof --- under the protection of the US Government because of the fatwa against her. She's not a Christian.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29607


404 posted on 09/05/2004 3:58:41 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: followerofchrist
First of all, every passage that you quoted is God delivering judgment upon a group of people for a reason. Only one of those, Samuel 15:1-3 actually involves the Israelite being told to kill them, and the reason was "I (God) remember that which amalek did to Israel, how he laid in wait for him in the way when he came up from" Egypt" The Jews were not given orders to go out and slaughter the Infidels. Also, nowhere in the New Testament is there any order to kill all who will not convert. There have been Christian who have done this, but that was not because they were trying to obey God, but rather because they wanted land.
423 posted on 09/05/2004 4:28:11 PM PDT by Celtic Rose
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To: followerofchrist
You still cannot figure it out.

ANY passage that you pull from the Bible documenting violence and genocide is from the PAST.

The quotes from the Koran are instructing worshippers to go out and kill in the FUTURE.

425 posted on 09/05/2004 4:36:18 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: followerofchrist
"1 Sam 15: Samuel said to Saul. "I am the one whom the Lord sent to annoint you king of his people Israel. Now listen to what the Lord Almighty says. He is going to punish the people of Amalek because their ancestors opposed the Israelites when they were coming to Egypt. Go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Don't leave a thing, kill all the men, women, children and babies; the cattle, sheep, camels and donkeys."

If God did say this then he does not deserve to be worshiped either.

613 posted on 09/06/2004 6:08:07 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (I have the biggest organ in my town {;o))
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