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Leaders debating whether to even endorse a candidate(muslims resent Bush)
The Associated Press ^ | Sep 06, 2004 | Rachel Zoll

Posted on 09/06/2004 6:49:16 AM PDT by Dubya

ROSEMONT, Ill. - As Democrats and Republicans sought their support, American Muslim leaders wrapped up their community's largest convention Sunday, still debating whether to endorse a presidential candidate.

And despite bitter feelings over how President Bush has conducted the war on terrorism, Muslim leaders said an endorsement for the Demcratic challenger, Sen. John Kerry, is not guaranteed.

Independent Ralph Nader traveled here Saturday and made an aggressive pitch for support in a private meeting.

"We are still deliberating amongst ourselves," said Salam al-Marayati, head of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, a public policy group based in Los Angeles. A decision is expected next month from the American Muslim Taskforce, an umbrella group for major Muslim organizations.

American Muslims hold special importance this election year because they have strong communities in battleground states such as Michigan, Ohio and Florida.

In 2000, leaders of major Muslim organizations made their first endorsement in a presidential race, choosing Bush over Democrat Al Gore. Bush had indicated that he was sympathetic to their concerns about using secret evidence in immigration hearings.

After Sept. 11, 2001, Bush enacted anti-terrorism policies that many Muslims felt violated their constitutional rights.

Some Muslim leaders say the Kerry campaign has missed opportunities to capitalize on Muslim resentment of the president.

At the convention this weekend, organized by the nonpartisan Islamic Society of North America, several speakers said Kerry has been too timid on civil rights issues. They said his pledge to repeal parts of the USA Patriot Act, which gave the government broad new powers to monitor citizens, did not go far enough.

The Bush administration has defended the Patriot Act as crucial to national security.

"I haven't seen John Kerry delivering on his early promises," said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, an anti-defamation group based in Washington. ONLINE: American Muslim Taskforce, www.americanmuslimvoter.net Islamic Society of North America, www.isna.net Council on American-Islamic Relations, www.cair-net.org


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KEYWORDS: endorsement; muslimamericans; muslimvote; salamalmarayati

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS/JEFF ROBERSON

Army chaplain Capt. Yusuf Yee, left, and Navy chaplain Lt. Abuhanna Saifulislam talk during a panel discussion among Muslim military chaplains Sunday at the Islamic Society of North America convention in Rosemont, Ill.

1 posted on 09/06/2004 6:49:17 AM PDT by Dubya
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To: Dubya
Islamic hate in the Quran:

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Bukhari:V4B52N50“The Prophet said, ‘A single endeavor of fighting in Allah’s Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it.’”

Qur’an 9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an 8:39“So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).

DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE MUSLUM RELIGION IS PEACEFUL, THAT IS HYPE. MUSLUMS WANT TO KILL US, PERIOD!

2 posted on 09/06/2004 6:57:50 AM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: Dubya

They're still debating what? The price of couscous perhaps, but certainly not if they're voting for Kerry. I'm still waiting to hear their outcry against the terrorists and hired Arab mercenaries at the Russian school.... hmm, I don't hear anything.... still waiting.... silence says a lot.


3 posted on 09/06/2004 6:58:34 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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Army chaplain Capt. Yusuf Yee, left, and Navy chaplain Lt. Abuhanna Saifulislam talk during a panel discussion among Muslim military chaplains Sunday at the Islamic Society of North America convention in Rosemont, Ill.

So sad that these American haters can be members of our Military.

4 posted on 09/06/2004 7:03:38 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya
Most Americans, regardless of religion do not want to see another 9/11. However, if the Muslim community withholds their support for the President because of "profiling" then it speaks much of the American Muslim community itself. If one cannot understand that Muslims, and those from Muslim countries do not require a closer observation versus those from, let's say, Scandinavian countries, then you're a fool and fooling yourself. Muslims should stand up and work with the government if they are truly the "religion of peace" they claim to be. Remember, the pilots of these planes were not Norwegian.


5 posted on 09/06/2004 7:03:50 AM PDT by Shortwave (Supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor.)
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To: Dubya
If you hadn't noticed, that is not an American insignia on his shoulder boards. I'm not sure what navy he's an Lieutenant in but it's looks pretty banana republic to me.
6 posted on 09/06/2004 7:05:18 AM PDT by Shortwave (Supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor.)
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To: Dubya
"We are still deliberating amongst ourselves,"

Sounds like something Kerry would say.

7 posted on 09/06/2004 7:06:15 AM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Shortwave
If you hadn't noticed, that is not an American insignia on his shoulder boards.

It's the Muslim Crescent. Chaplains display their religious symbol there.

But it does give one pause to see it.

8 posted on 09/06/2004 7:07:53 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Dubya

They are "talking among themselves" because they know their public endorsement will hurt Kerry. The AP is trying to make you think they are worried Kerry is anti-Moslem or too pro War On Terror. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Under Kerry the war, both forign and domestic, will be hobbled.


9 posted on 09/06/2004 7:07:54 AM PDT by Williams
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To: Shortwave

I hope you are right.


10 posted on 09/06/2004 7:08:06 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Semper Paratus

Right after I posted, I went "DOH". It's been some time since I was serving. There were only Christian chaplains when I was in. You can draw any conclusions you would like.


11 posted on 09/06/2004 7:09:44 AM PDT by Shortwave (Supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
They're still debating what? The price of couscous perhaps, but certainly not if they're voting for Kerry. I'm still waiting to hear their outcry against the terrorists and hired Arab mercenaries at the Russian school.... hmm, I don't hear anything.... still waiting.... silence says a lot.

That is because life is still to easy on them. Make life a little more painful and they will squeal like the pigs they are.

12 posted on 09/06/2004 7:13:36 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Dubya
ROSEMONT, Ill. - As Democrats and Republicans sought their support, American Muslim leaders wrapped up their community's largest convention Sunday, still debating whether to endorse a presidential candidate.

Since all islamic countries are theocratic dictatorships, freedom, liberty and the political process is a concept moslems don't understand. They probably never will. All moslems should go back to the middle east cesspools where they came from. They would be more comfortable there.

13 posted on 09/06/2004 7:16:28 AM PDT by glockmeister40
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To: Dubya
These guys can support Kerry and the message becomes "Muslims for Kerry". Hurts Kerry

They can support Bush. Then, they have to say islamic terrorism is evil. Helps Bush.

So, they won't support anyone, except maybe Nader, becasue he's and Arab or Syrian or safe or whatever.>

I am really shocked to see those crescents on an American officer's uniform. That's a big, big mistake.

Symbols are powerful. That crescent says Islam, a religion, takes precedence over the United States. Where is the ACLU?
14 posted on 09/06/2004 7:16:55 AM PDT by Beckwith (Did Kerry commit murder in Viet Nam?)
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To: All
We Freepers need to get out the Republican vote and stay with it and not let up.
Between now and election day no one should post anything negative about the President. This is not the time for it.

15 posted on 09/06/2004 7:21:35 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya
Don't care who they endorse. With their stunning silence regarding the Russian Outrage they have endorsed terrorism. Shame on them.
16 posted on 09/06/2004 7:22:49 AM PDT by Chgogal (Pssst. I have it on the best authority that Allah has run out of virgins. Spread the word.)
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To: glockmeister40

Your right !Send them back.This will never happen because our country has become blinded by being politically correct. The democrat party has, and is a blight on our country.This party has joined hands with the Communists and socialists all over the world to destroy our goverment.How could a man like John Kerry who's picture is hanging in North Vietnam on the wall of hero's be considered a person who should run the most powerful country in the world.The socialists are destroying our country from within.God Bless George W Bush.


17 posted on 09/06/2004 7:51:20 AM PDT by sy454
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To: Chgogal
With their stunning silence regarding the Russian Outrage they have endorsed terrorism. Shame on them.

You have said it very well.

18 posted on 09/06/2004 7:56:36 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: sy454

President Bush' quotes on Muslims and Islam. He knows there's a strong difference between the radical few and the majority, you sure you support our President?


A VIBRANT FAITH

“Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions.”

- President Bush, October 11, 2002


A Beautiful Mosque

For half a century, this beautiful mosque has served as a place of worship for Muslims and has helped to advance understanding between people of different faiths. Millions of our fellow Americans practice the Muslim faith. They lead lives of honesty and justice and compassion.

- President Bush, December 5th, 2002


President Bush's Roundtable with Muslim Leaders -

"All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith -- face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."

- President Bush,
September 10th, 2002


ISLAM IS LOVE

“Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate.”

- President Bush, September 10, 2002



ISLAMIC NATIONS DESERVE FREEDOM

“The peoples of the Islamic nations want and deserve the same freedoms and opportunities as people in every nation. And their governments should listen to their hopes.”

- President Bush, June 1, 2002


A WAR AGAINST EVIL

“All of us here today understand this: We do not fight Islam, we fight against evil.”

- President Bush, November 6, 2001


NOT AT WAR AGAINST ISLAM

“Because this great nation of many religions understands, our war is not against Islam, or against faith practiced by the Muslim people.”

- President Bush, January 5, 2002

ISLAM BENEFITS THE WORLD

“That word has guided billions of believers across the centuries, and those believers built a culture of learning and literature and science. All the world continues to benefit from this faith and its achievements.”

- President Bush, November 19, 2001

ISLAM IS OF CHARITY

“The Islam that we know is a faith devoted to the worship of one God, as revealed through The Holy Qur’an. It teaches the value and the importance of charity, mercy, and peace.”

- President Bush, November 15, 2001


BUSH SUPPORTS ALL FAITHS

"We respect people of all faiths and welcome the free practice of religion; our enemy wants to dictate how to think and how to worship even to their fellow Muslims."

- President Bush, November 8, 2001

AMERICA REJECTS BIGOTRY

“We reject every act of hatred against people of Arab background or Muslim faith… America values and welcomes peaceful people of all faiths -- Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu and many others.”

- President Bush, April 30, 2002

AMERICA’S MUSLIMS

“There are thousands of Muslims who proudly call themselves Americans, and they know what I know -- that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion.”

- President Bush, September 28, 2001

AMERICA DOES NOT FIGHT RELIGIONS

“Americans understand we fight not a religion; ours is not a campaign against the Muslim faith. Ours is a campaign against evil.”

- President Bush, September 27, 2001


TERRORISTS HIJACKING ISLAM

“The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends.”

- President Bush, September 20, 2001

ISLAM IS PEACE

“The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.”

- President Bush, September 17, 2001

WAR ON TERROR, NOT MUSLIMS

“I've made it clear, Madam President, that the war against terrorism is not a war against Muslims, nor is it a war against Arabs. It's a war against evil people who conduct crimes against innocent people.”

- President Bush, September 19, 2001







19 posted on 09/06/2004 8:18:49 AM PDT by freedom44
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To: Shortwave; Dubya

http://www.muslimsforbush.com/


20 posted on 09/06/2004 8:20:01 AM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.” Whoever says this will save his property and his life from me.’”

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/


21 posted on 09/06/2004 8:24:04 AM PDT by OK
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To: Dubya
Here's a solution to this angst: stay home on Election Day.
22 posted on 09/06/2004 9:06:39 AM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: Dubya
BOth major parties prostituting their morality for the votes of satan's devils.

2004 is my last vote for the R.

23 posted on 09/06/2004 9:09:36 AM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Indie
2004 is my last vote for the R.

Excuse me. Can I ask what you mean by this? :)

24 posted on 09/06/2004 9:42:40 AM PDT by SheLion (Donate to Swift Boat Vets. "I" did!)
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To: Indie
I understand. But, we have to be as smart as a serpent and as gentle as Lamb. We need to get our guy elected and then run the country the way it should be run. God bless you and hang in there with us.
25 posted on 09/06/2004 10:23:34 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: pray4liberty

I hope the Muslims do stay home. They are not going to vote for Bush. You have said it well.


26 posted on 09/06/2004 10:25:26 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya

Don't worry! I am NOT abandoning President Bush in 2004!

Any shift away from the R party by conservative Christians in years to come can only help the party. It will wither adapt to the right, and maintain conservative moral priniples, [and it's base] or it will lose voters to third parties [Constitution Party, etc], and thereby begin to lose more races to the Rats in 2006 and 2008..

Personally, I think it will choose to survive. ;)


27 posted on 09/06/2004 10:31:47 AM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Indie

Very good points, thanks.


28 posted on 09/06/2004 10:43:21 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: freedom44

Your Point is well taken.I know that Pres Bush is trying to butter both sides of the bread. There is no candidate Conservative enough for me. Pres Bush is still my choice.As a Vietnam Vet I would never in 1000 years vote for John Kerry.


29 posted on 09/06/2004 10:57:07 AM PDT by sy454
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To: Dubya

If they endorse Kerry, it may actually help Bush and hurt Kerry. Imagine what the Jewish voters will think when they hear about this.


30 posted on 09/06/2004 12:41:45 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Cableguy

I wish they would endorse Kerry. You are right.


31 posted on 09/06/2004 12:46:58 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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