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Robert McNamara to Wed
Washington Post ^ | 9-8-04 | Roxanne Roberts

Posted on 09/08/2004 4:52:23 PM PDT by det dweller too

"Romantic" is not the first word that comes to mind when referring to Robert McNamara, but the 88-year-old former defense secretary is a dove when it comes to love. McNamara will wed his Italian-born sweetheart, Diana Masieri Byfield, next week in a ceremony in Italy

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KEYWORDS: gulfoftonkin; mcnamara; mia; vietnam; weddingbells
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...one Vietnam veteran posted a bitter Internet attack, blaming McNamara for misleading President Johnson about the Gulf of Tonkin crisis....[fiancee writing] I am sure however, that you agree with me that McNamara at least had the courage to write books and make a movie (for which he was not paid) to explain the whole story."
1 posted on 09/08/2004 4:52:24 PM PDT by det dweller too
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To: det dweller too

Came from Detroit, hate this a__hole


2 posted on 09/08/2004 4:55:00 PM PDT by Mikey_1962
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To: det dweller too

Such a cute couple.

-Dan
3 posted on 09/08/2004 4:55:06 PM PDT by Flux Capacitor (ZELL MILLER IN '08.)
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To: det dweller too

This old coot is still around??


4 posted on 09/08/2004 4:55:14 PM PDT by 12 Gauge Mossberg
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To: det dweller too

Macnamera and Johnson were both clueless when it came to managing a war. I dispise McNamera.


5 posted on 09/08/2004 4:57:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: det dweller too

I thought this guy was worm food long ago. It's amazing how the whole Vietnam thingy is returning, like a hemmoroid! This is one guy responsible for more names on that black memorial wall than [nearly, because I may be off] anyone else, other than maybe Ho Chi Minh


6 posted on 09/08/2004 4:59:34 PM PDT by det dweller too
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To: det dweller too

That moron thought he knew more about primary combat weapons than the pentagon did. He wound up sending over rifles without cleaning kits, with barrels that rusted. I wonder how many Americans wound up dead because of his stupidity.


7 posted on 09/08/2004 5:00:12 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: det dweller too
Glad to see that Holly Coors, Stranges' former squeeze, came to her senses.


8 posted on 09/08/2004 5:04:04 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: det dweller too

These jerkoffs deserve each other.


9 posted on 09/08/2004 5:04:25 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: DoughtyOne
When they called McNamara one of the "Whiz Kids," I'm sure they had to be referring to urination. Neither he nor his boss knew that in a free country like ours, you have to have the people behind you before you go to war. Even FDR knew that. To these two geniuses, even something as simple as that was rocket science.
10 posted on 09/08/2004 5:04:51 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: det dweller too
McNamara gave birth to the F-111, the M-16, and the concept of running a bombing campaign from the Oval Office.

What a loser.

11 posted on 09/08/2004 5:07:52 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: det dweller too

McNamara, Johnson, Kerry and Ho Chi Minh --- members of the axis of evil and death for America's finest...

I'll pray McNamara meets his fate in Hell, and welcomed by a lot of the communist bastards we sent there ahead of him...

I hope McNamara's new wife is young enough to burn his stupid ass out faster than normal..

Semper Fi


12 posted on 09/08/2004 5:08:42 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Bonaparte
"Whiz Kids,"

Cheese Whiz?

13 posted on 09/08/2004 5:09:42 PM PDT by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: lilylangtree
I didn't think that he could get it up after the screwing he gave us. My uncle who was a VP for Ford at the time didn't know who he hated more, at the time, McNamara or I O Caca.
14 posted on 09/08/2004 5:11:45 PM PDT by Little Bill (John F'n Kerry is a self promoting scumbag!)
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To: BunnySlippers

Yeah, maybe that's what they meant -- little Robby liked Cheese Whiz on his animal crackers while he watched Saturday morning cartoons in the White House.


15 posted on 09/08/2004 5:14:59 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: Bonaparte
His crowning achievement in private industry was the Ford Falcon.
16 posted on 09/08/2004 5:15:09 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: DoughtyOne

McNamara was the one Republican (yes, he was (is) a nominal Republican) that Barry Goldwater attacked by name: said the defense secretary of the 1960s was wrong on nearly every major issue before his department.


17 posted on 09/08/2004 5:15:14 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: river rat

Burn him out? Heh heh heh, I hope she's hotter than hell and cuts him off as soon as they're wed. That'll be quicker. ;-)


18 posted on 09/08/2004 5:15:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: det dweller too

My favorite McNamara quote from the mid/late 60s, when I was drafted, was, in answer to a reporter's question on how the Vietnam War was going:
"No useful purpose can be served by speculation on
remote contingencies"
A cold-blooded response that might have come from a
computer, or a CEO of Ford Motors, talking about a
breakdown of the assembly line.


19 posted on 09/08/2004 5:17:30 PM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: det dweller too

McNamara was a FMC whiz Kid. His understanding of war was body count. He thought if you kill more of them than they of you, then you win.


20 posted on 09/08/2004 5:18:24 PM PDT by Rik0Shay
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To: Theodore R.

I was not aware that MacNamera was a Repbulican. I didn't think a Republican could be that dumb.


21 posted on 09/08/2004 5:18:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Theodore R.

Goldwater looks more and more like one of the great men of American politics, who unfortunately never got much of a chance to seriously influence or make policy.


22 posted on 09/08/2004 5:19:13 PM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: Theodore R.

Goldwater looks more and more like one of the great men of American politics, who unfortunately never got much of a chance to seriously influence or make policy.


23 posted on 09/08/2004 5:19:17 PM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: Theodore R.

Goldwater looks more and more like one of the great men of American politics, who unfortunately never got much of a chance to seriously influence or make policy.


24 posted on 09/08/2004 5:19:20 PM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: det dweller too

"Maybe a short trip through Dallas..."

 

 

25 posted on 09/08/2004 5:20:06 PM PDT by Fintan (Oh...am I supposed to read the article???)
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To: det dweller too
I'll never forget the story an admiral told about McNamara ordering all the Navy patrol boats to back off from the South Vietanm coast so that a North Vietnam supply boat could come through and resupply the Viet Cong.

Didn't want the mean ol' U.S. Navy interferring with his boys, I guess.

26 posted on 09/08/2004 5:20:22 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Little Bill

Have a friend who use to be a chef at Aspen. When Iacocca came to the ski area for fun, she usually cooked the meals. She indicated he's a "rough, earthy" individual. Anyway, I'm with you. I can't stand McNamara either. At 88, I bet she's doing all the work and he still can't get it up.


27 posted on 09/08/2004 5:20:34 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: willyboyishere

Boy I am redundant---sometimes one is simply not sure whether what one thought was posted was in fact posted!


28 posted on 09/08/2004 5:20:37 PM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: Little Bill

Considering that Mr. Clueless made it to Lt. Col in the Air Force, it's a wonder we didn't lose WWII. Man, was I ever happy when he retired right on time at age 65 and could no longer do much more damage than just running around talking up every leftist cause on the planet.


29 posted on 09/08/2004 5:21:12 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: det dweller too

I am suprised he is still sucking air.


30 posted on 09/08/2004 5:23:08 PM PDT by Busywhiskers (Non entia multiplicandia sunt prater necessetatum. William Occam)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"...was the Ford Falcon."

I learned to drive a stick in a 1962 Ford Falcon. Ugly little sucker, but Ford did improve it a couple years later.

31 posted on 09/08/2004 5:23:32 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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32 posted on 09/08/2004 5:25:19 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Fintan

"After what they did to Stevenson, you've just got to show them your face. Texans respect that, Jack, and you know, there's an election coming up. Be a nice get-away for you and Jackie. Lotsa good shopping Dallas. She'll like that. Ya'll just go have yourself a fine time."


33 posted on 09/08/2004 5:28:33 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: river rat
McNamara, Johnson, Kerry and Ho Chi Minh --- members of the axis of evil and death for America's finest... I'll pray McNamara meets his fate in Hell, and welcomed by a lot of the communist bastards we sent there ahead of him... I hope McNamara's new wife is young enough to burn his stupid ass out faster than normal.. Semper Fi

Come on now, don't hold back. Let it all out

Semper Fi

34 posted on 09/08/2004 5:28:48 PM PDT by SpeakingUp (Kerry lied, The NYT lied, and 1,800,000 Cambodians DIED)
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To: det dweller too

I hope I live long enough so I can piss on his grave.


35 posted on 09/08/2004 5:28:52 PM PDT by squirt (POLITICIANS & DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED, FOR THE SAME REASON)
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To: lilylangtree

Did he grab her boobs or her butt, the Lee that we all know and love.


36 posted on 09/08/2004 5:29:55 PM PDT by Little Bill (John F'n Kerry is a self promoting scumbag!)
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To: det dweller too

There's only one man who can make Les Aspin, aka Mr. Blackhawk Down, look like Henry Stimson: Rob McNamara. As incompetent as the Toon cabinet was, from Halfwit to Hazel O'Leary, nobody will ever have been as disastrous to this country as the Whiz Kid from Ford.


37 posted on 09/08/2004 5:30:01 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("I'm just a gigolo, and everywhere I go, people know I'm lyin' about 'Nam".....)
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To: det dweller too

"McNamara will wed his Italian-born sweetheart, Diana Masieri Byfield..."

Guess she was Robert McNamara'd into submission.


38 posted on 09/08/2004 5:30:07 PM PDT by Buck W. (The Berger archive scandal, aka the Folies Bergere! How apropos: It's French!)
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To: Little Bill

She didn't say. Don't think she would given that she was employed there.


39 posted on 09/08/2004 5:33:13 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: squirt

That old POS should be dead, what a disgrace to the country. He is personally responisble for the deaths of 50,000 american lives. I hope this cs is dead soon so I can join you pissing on his grave.


40 posted on 09/08/2004 5:36:20 PM PDT by bfree
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To: det dweller too

Good afternoon.

This swine should be sharing a cell with some sadistic bubba. By his own admission, McNamara had decided the war was futile early on but didn't have the moral courage to use his influence to try to stop it. He micromanaged the war and was incompetent to boot.

Michael Frazier


41 posted on 09/08/2004 5:36:32 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender, no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

Robert McNamara is the worst civil servant this country ever had; a mendacious liar, grossly incompetent, a backstabber, a rotten opportunist, a tail-kissing coward who ensured that his own son didn't serve in his disastrously-planned war (that McNamare wrote in his filthy book that "we" are responsible for). One of the truly wretched beings that have been inflicted upon this country.


42 posted on 09/08/2004 5:38:31 PM PDT by laconic
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To: Yo-Yo; river rat; All; Aeronaut; Diver Dave; Dubya; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; RaceBannon
"McNamara gave birth to the F-111"

My husband was in the Air Force forerunner of Special Ops, based in Tahkli, Thailand where our F-111's were based.

He headed a 13-man Strike Team, guarding the airfield, "thinning" the communists who infiltrated the surrounding villages and base perimeter, wanting to down our planes with shoulder-fired weapons; and was choppered into the Hot Spots in Vietnam - a trick they used to beef up the forces without having to say how many participated in Nam.
(Basket TDY - no written trail)

He fought in the Tet Offensive and at Da Nang, etc., and one time was dropped with his team in NORTH Vietnam to where one of the F-111's had gone down.
Was left there for 3 days to see if anyone survived, and if it had self-destructed, as programmed.

What I want to say is they so loathed McNamara that the F-111 pilots devised a cute board at the base of the steps to climb into the cockpits.

On this large board was the Edsel design, over which was printed PANIC BUTTON - to hit BEFORE they went up to fly the often-failing aircraft...and refused to remove it when the brass objected.

43 posted on 09/08/2004 5:40:46 PM PDT by LadyX (((( To God be all praise and honor and glory -- ))))
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To: laconic

worst civil servant

I don't think he was a "civil servant," or he would probably still be on the job if he were. Civil servants have civil service protection from dismissal, but Cabinet members can be discharged at will by the President, since the 1887 repeal of the Tenure of Office Act.


44 posted on 09/08/2004 5:41:55 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: willyboyishere

Robert Strange McNamara is an excellent example of why Republicans should not come to the defense of any "Republican" who happens(ed) to wear the "R" label.


45 posted on 09/08/2004 5:43:13 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: lilylangtree

My Uncle came into the Ford semi hierarchy in the late '50s and early '60s, he thought HII was a crude and ignorant person, McNamara was a fool, and I. O. Caca was bright and nasty genius, he resigned. He is in his eighties now and the stories that he could tell. I have been trying to get him to write a book, he won't.


46 posted on 09/08/2004 5:49:01 PM PDT by Little Bill (John F'n Kerry is a self promoting scumbag!)
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To: river rat

and LBJ too.......*~*


47 posted on 09/08/2004 6:04:55 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Theodore R.

Call him a "political appointee" then. He certainly was the worst political appointee, if not civil servant.


48 posted on 09/08/2004 6:16:41 PM PDT by laconic
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To: Theodore R.

She's getting an Edsel..


49 posted on 09/08/2004 6:22:50 PM PDT by ken5050 (Bill Clinton has just signed to be the national spokesman for Hummer..)
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To: SpeakingUp; LadyX

Would you believe, I spent a half hour cleaning up my original post -- to save my posting rights....

Then I realized - profanity was insufficient to describe the contempt I have for McNamara....

His attempt to "come clean" --- did not earn forgiveness nor will we forget...

Semper Fi


50 posted on 09/08/2004 8:51:38 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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