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THE "New" CBS BUSH DOCUMENTS: Let's do some investigating | September 9, 2004

Posted on 09/08/2004 9:16:02 PM PDT by Howlin

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To: FastCoyote
Something I noticed which is odd is that the 'e's aren't all the same, some have the horizontal bar at a slant, some straight, some squashed, some open. I don't know how you do that on a typewriter, much less a laser printer.

Abnormal print quality isn't odd on an old typewriter -- in fact if it wasn't uneven then I would suspect a laser printer. I looked around on the docs to see if all the letters were exactly the same, and there's a few differences. That might of been caused by scanning them in for the web though.
401 posted on 09/09/2004 8:50:56 AM PDT by lelio
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To: whomever


402 posted on 09/09/2004 8:52:06 AM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: Howlin
Send the thread to the usual.....Rush, Fox and Drudge.....That's a start...Should at least give them something to think about.....CBS should be embarrassed as much as possible.
403 posted on 09/09/2004 8:52:28 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Bush Democrats = Zell's Angels)
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To: Wild_Bill_8881
not one of those four documents would have been kept in anyone's official Personal file

The thing I find suspicious, is that ANY AND ALL memos similar to those, are purged from a military member's 201 file, and given to the service member.

If anyone would have had those memos, it would have been President Bush. I have 40 or 50 similar memos in my personal files AT HOME, not unit personnel files, from as far back as the early 70s.

404 posted on 09/09/2004 8:57:33 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Charter member of the VRWC - and proud of it.)
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To: Law is not justice but process

That is true.
It is the property of the US Government.
Also, his suggestion/belief that Mr. Bush was speaking to higher ups suggests a paranoia that would have kept him in the mailroom. He makes a statement without any facts whatsover, but just what he thinks.

405 posted on 09/09/2004 8:58:50 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: mabelkitty; Howlin; Congressman Billybob
" The typing would have been light in a Xerox copy, and copied many times....

OK. Riddle me this: The PDF formatted "documents" are riddled with hundreds of "black dots" - that come ONLY from being copied dozens and dozens of times on a poorly cleaned copier, from an original that is a white sheet of paper.

OK. Fine.

But, why .... IF these "documents" were only just received (from his widow, supposedly - since CBS itself claims they were NOT among those released from the White House..... Why would they have been copied (run through a dirty copier) over and over and over and over again?

WHY make so many repeats of a private document that nobody knew about until yesterday?

406 posted on 09/09/2004 8:59:28 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: The G Man

"Side by side signature"

Wow, Look at the hooks on the "K"!!!! One goes the wrong direction!!!

I broke my neck many years ago, and as a result had to switch from writing right handed to left handed. Even under such a drastic switch, my writing never made such a basic change as that!!!

407 posted on 09/09/2004 9:01:04 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: An.American.Expatriate
Not certain if it means anything, but on the second memo, where the address is blacked out it says "5000 Longmont #8" UNDER the blacked out area. How is this possible that the subtle shading difference would translate across multiple copiers, and then scanning to a pdf? When was it blacked out?

I was in the military for 12 years, and never saw a memo written to someone that included the address and the city in the way it was listed. What would be the point, unless it was intended as a guard mail? The address is on the southwest side of Memorial park in Houston. Certainly outside the range of guard mail.

Very odd.
408 posted on 09/09/2004 9:01:26 AM PDT by four more in O 4 (God Bless George Bush and God Bless YOU.)
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To: four more in O 4

Jim Geraghty's Kerry Spot on NR Online has now picked up the story. I know Rush reads that particular weblog and I expect to hear something today on his show.

409 posted on 09/09/2004 9:03:23 AM PDT by BigMacGOP
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To: dila813

It has a #8 after it on the memo.
Too bad we can't do a deed search.
I love detective work!

410 posted on 09/09/2004 9:05:08 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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411 posted on 09/09/2004 9:05:31 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: BigMacGOP

Yeeehaah!!! This is going to be a laugh riot!

412 posted on 09/09/2004 9:07:57 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: Congressman Billybob
The reason to think that these documents were written (or forged, it remains to be established) on a typewriter using a ribbon.

I don't have any clear recollection of IBMs from the early 70s, but I do remember that the high end typewriters used by executives had mylar ribbons that produced a page that looked printed. I'm pretty sure, based on intuition, that any typewriter capable of using a proportional font would have used such a ribbon.

The first document appears to have been scanned from the original rather than from a copy, because you can see through the magic marker and read the text that is supposed to have been blocked.

413 posted on 09/09/2004 9:12:11 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: TC Rider; Dog; bootless; sinkspur; Mo1; Howlin; Timeout
Putting your post over here, too:

To: bootless; sinkspur; Mo1; Howlin; Timeout
I found this over at Powerline...

UPDATE 2: Reader John Risko adds:

I was a clerk/typist for the US Navy at the Naval Underwater Systems Center (NUSC) in Newport RI for my summer job in 1971 when I was in college. I note the following with regard to the Killian memos:

1) Tom Mortensen is absolutely correct. Variable type was used only for special printing jobs, like official pamphlets. These documents are forgeries, and not even good ones. Someone could have at least found an old pre-Selectric IBM (introduced around 1962). Actually, I believe we were using IBM Model C's at the time, which was the precursor to the Selectric.

2) I also used a Variype machine in 1971. I fooled around with it in my spare time. It was incredibly difficult to set up and use. It was also extremely hard to correct mistakes on the machine. Most small letters used two spaces. Capital letters generally used three spaces. I think letters like "i" may have used one space. Anyway, you can see that this type of machine was piloted by an expert, and it would NEVER be used for a routine memo. A Lt. Colonel would not be able to identify a Varitype machine, let alone use it.

3) US Navy paper at the time was not 8 1/2 x 11. It was 8 x 10 1/2. I believe this was the same throughout the military, but someone will have to check on that. This should show up in the Xeroxing, which should have lines running along the sides of the Xerox copy.

4) I am amused by the way "147 th Ftr.Intrcp Gp." appears in the August 1, 1972 document. It may have been written that way in non-forged documents, but as somone who worked for ComCruDesLant, I know the military liked to bunch things together. I find "147 th" suspicious looking. 147th looks better to me, but the problem with Microsoft Word is that it keeps turning the "th" tiny if it is connected to a number like 147. And finally......

5) MORE DEFINITIVE PROOF OF FORGERY: I had neglected even to look at the August 18, 1973 memo to file. This forger was a fool. This fake document actually does have the tiny "th" in "187th" and there is simply no way this could have occurred in 1973. There are no keys on any typewriter in common use in 1973 which could produce a tiny "th." The forger got careless after creating the August 1, 1972 document and slipped up big-time.

In summary, the variable type reveals the Killian memos to be crude forgeries, the tiny "th" confirms it in the 8/18/73 memo, and I offer my other points as icing on the cake.

This is major news....spread the word!!! Posted by The Big Trunk at 07:51 AM | Permalink | TrackBack (26)

159 posted on 09/09/2004 12:10:02 PM EDT by Dog

414 posted on 09/09/2004 9:13:54 AM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: Steven W.

You are incorrect.
The dem talking points are now, the Iraq war was wrong because Bush and everyone in his administration tried to avoid Vietnam and got endless deferments, and they are waging war in Iraq.
This is to take the war on terrorism off the table.
Feinswine mouthed this garbage. It's to shut us up.

415 posted on 09/09/2004 9:15:52 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: Howlin

That needs to be in a stand alone thread the honors....and put it breaking news.

416 posted on 09/09/2004 9:16:12 AM PDT by Dog
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To: Howlin; pabianice
Here's an interesting tidbit from yet another thread on this subject. I posted a link to this thread there, and asked the writer to post his point here, but he hasn't yet, so I will - 8-)

Posted on 09/09/2004 7:55:59 AM PDT by pabianice

On a previous thread the author makes excellent points about the anachronism error in the "memos" the Liberals have recently "discovered" regarding George Bush's alleged "desertion" and "dereliction of duty" while in the Texas ANG.

A look at these memos shows another problem. A big problem. To understand it, you have to understand a bit about the military. In official documents of any kind, proper rank abbreviations are strictly enforced, to the point that, if they are incorrect, the document has to be destroyed and rewritten. A document forwarded with incorrect acronyms is returned for resubmittal.

The "memos" the Liberal Gang has "discovered," showing Bush to have been a shirker, all carry a consistent incorrect abbreviation for his rank. The only acceptable abbreviation for a USAF or ANG first lieutenant is "1LT." I have also seen, rarely, it written "1/LT," although this is the exception. All the "recently discovered" memos about Bush say "1stLt." While I am Navy and not Air Force, to the best of my knowledge, this is not allowed, let alone a mispunctuated memo addressed to Bush as "1stLt.3244754FG."

I am willing to bet a week's pay that these memos are forgeries.

417 posted on 09/09/2004 9:16:45 AM PDT by BreitbartSentMe (Now EX-Democrat!)
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To: Howlin

The only thing that bothers me about this whole "forgery" thing is that the White House has not denied that these memos are authentic. In fact, Bartlett has as much as admitted they're genuine.

418 posted on 09/09/2004 9:17:14 AM PDT by sinkspur ("Can someone tell me where to find an ordained archpriest?"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur

Not so to my knowledge. He has simply said he doesn't know why they were not in the official file and were in Killian's personal files.

Later on today they will probably come out stronger on this, or at least endorse the questions concerning the authenticity.

419 posted on 09/09/2004 9:21:24 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: Buckhead

No initial denial means they're authentic. But, I still don't see what's so incriminating in them. We've known about all of this.

420 posted on 09/09/2004 9:23:35 AM PDT by sinkspur ("Can someone tell me where to find an ordained archpriest?"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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