Posted on 09/09/2004 7:33:57 AM PDT by TastyManatees
New Questions On Bush Guard Duty
CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.
While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.
Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.
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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."
Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."
Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.
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Handwriting analyst... Terry McAuliff probably.
Document specialist... intern from the copy room probably.
Can only wonder as this moves along; what these frothing-at-the-mouth-for-power, sickos plan for the 'countdown' days till November 4th.
They surely are saving some of their 'best'; demrat-made, slime; for last.
"the documents were forged" bandwagon:
That may be the same wagon I am on! ;)
The typography and signature arguments are beyond my level of expertise. I can buy that they are forgeries based upon those arguments; BUT WHAT IS THE POINT? If you are going to forge something, why would it be something so innocuous? I understand about muddying waters and misinformation and mudslinging, but if Carville or his ilk were behind this, they would have come up with something a little even slightly damning, wouldn't they?
The memos, in a CYA sense, do not raise a red flag by their mere existence. Some of the things that have been mentioned, e.g. military wording or abbreviations, adherence to the memo format, etc. -- also do not raise red flags.
This is the national guard, and most officers and enlisteds (e.g. clerks) were drilling only on weekends, so may not have the same perfection of using the military format as a full-timer would have. They spoke civilian talk the rest of the time, so may not have used the full lingo. These are memos dashed off for local file ONLY, so would not have been proofread for style, etc., as formal military correspondence would have.
WHAT IF:
1. there were memos in the commander's file:
2. they were even more innocuous then these; so some clever Dim staffer doctored them up by re-writing them to make them a little more inflamatory?
3. that way, if anyone had personal knowledge of those memos, they would be "close enough" not to raise suspicions?
4. that way, actual dates would have been used, in order to be straight with the dates things actually happened and could be checked out(i.e. a real drill date, instead of a made up date pulled out of the air)?
what think ye?
I do the same; though not 'professionally'; but graphology an earlier past-time of mine. I would say; without question; these two signatures belong to. . .two different people.
Let's see McAulliffe's signature or maybe Begalia. . .Carville; or would they get some poor Dem-shlep to do the job; someone with nothing and everything; to lose.
Somebody surely must be asking CBS; WHO the expert is; that made this determination. . .
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I think Brit Hume is going to discuss this.
I picked a helluva day to catch up on my work. Argggggggh.
My problem has been that the content doesn't seem damaging. A couple other freepers have stated similar to you (via freepmail to me and on another thread) that maybe a wee bit of tweaking went on to give them "spinnability".
Heads up: Brit Hume is going to cover the "questions of the authenticity" of these documents in a minute.
I put the two zip codes that were used into a lookup site under the name of History of the US Zip Codes. I entered both zips and both came back as Houston zips, however when I clicked on the map to see where they were located, I found they were both in the very same area of one another. Would this be correct? If someone knows the name of the street that is blacked out as Bush's address you could enter the name and it would bring up a map where that zip was located. Kind of interesting.
Fox is on the story now. . .
"Right off the bat, the use of a superscript in the first memo for "111th" raises a red flag."
I was a personnelman (typewriter commando) when I first enlisted in 1974, and used or at least saw every kind of typewriter in the military supply system back then.
A superscript was done by rotating the platen a half turn, then rotating it back to continue, but there was no way to make the chars smaller like MS Word does now automatically.
Except, perhaps, by using an IBM Selectric II, changing the type ball to a smaller font, then changing it back.
However, that wasn't done for the "th" up in the letterhead of the same memo.
As far as I'm concerned, the superscript is a dead giveaway. The fact that it only appears in that one place says to me that MS Word changed it automatically, and the forger didn't notice.
Another indication is in paragraph 3 of memo 3.
Back then, typists were taught to break and hyphenate words at the end of a line to preserve a more uniform right margin. Taking a whole word down to the next line and leaving a large indentation on the right didn't become common until word processors.
A military clerk would have broken the word, "forwarded."
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CBS has PULLED those files!!! (Either that or their server is swamped.) I've been trying for an hour to download them and save them. If they don't come back online soon, it's a sure sign CBS knows it's been caught perpetrating a fraud on the American public.
Angle just pointed out the superscript.
“It is clear that this president will literally say anything, do anything...in order to get re-elected."
I think when Kerry said this he was talking about himself and the rest of the liberal slime.
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Democrats get through each day by projecting their own behavior onto Pubbies. It is one of their most predictable traits.
Seldom watch any of them; but maybe I will tune in to see; just what they are offering.
A woman on another thread writes that she used to type theses in the 1970's to earn college money, on a IBM Selectric, and that she would swap out the font ball to type smaller font superscripts, somehow rotate the ball only half a space.
But IMB Selectrics don't have proportional spacing. This type on these memos does. It might have been done on an IBM Executive, which does have proportional spacing, but you can't swap the fonts to get smaller superscripts.
The Selectric II could play some games with the spacing, but it was still a MONOSPACED font on the 'golf-ball' element. Now the exception for the Selectric line was a very limited, very EXPENSIVE IBM 'Selectric Composer', which in no way would have been used for these memos.
Now I would be interested to see if the IBM Executive could be made to type these memos if someone still had a working one with the correct typebar and paper...
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1. Could Bush have been meeting with Ho Chi Minh's representatives in Alabama?
2. Is Jane Fonda's DNA on the note?
3. Could Vince Foster have written this note?
4. Could Sandy Berger have stolen the note for Zell Miller?
5. Did God remove DNA from Andy Rooney?
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