Bush Guard Documents: Forged

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[Jack_1]

I opened Microsoft Word, set the font to Microsoft’s Times New Roman, tabbed over to the default tab stop to enter the date “18 August 1973,” then typed the rest of the document purportedly from the personal records of the late Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian.

And my Microsoft Word version, typed in 2004, is an exact match for the documents trumpeted by CBS News as “authentic.”

[r9etb]

The "noise" on the "original" comes from multiple scans and/or faxing of the same document.

[1stMarylandRegiment]

This is not necessarily true. At least one Freeper had personal experience with IBM Executive (NOT Selectric) typewriters with a proportional spaced font in that same time period.

Googled "IBM Executive Typewriter" and found this reference as 2nd entry. This is not hard, folks.

"The IBM Executive series typewriter was a series of electric typewriters that IBM manufactured, starting in the 1950s. They used the conventional moving carriage and hammer mechanism."

Poster in question has a poor memory. IBM Executive Series was introduced in the 1950's. 4th Generation was introduced in the early 1970's. Even if the TANG had a brand new typewriter at the time, a "moving carriage and hammer" mechanism could not ahve produced proprtional-spaced type.

FORGERY

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[mwl1]

I don't understand all the happenings that are breaking loose on this... does it appear that there is a good chance that the documents are forgeries?

The Powerline blog is confusing -- or at least too confusing for me.

[crv16]

Looking at this raises a couple of questions:

Notice the date - notice on the original the 1 and 8 in 18 are offset slightly in the vertical - something you might find in a typewritten version. Same vertical offsets in the 1973. In the MS Word version, there is no vertical offsets -- the characters are perfectly aligned. However, on the paragraphs in the original, the characters are pretty well aligned.

This could be explained by running this thru a copier or fax.

The most damning evidence that this is a forgery is the fact that the text lines up perfectly. There is no way a typewriter and a word processor would create text so perfectly aligned.

[Petronski]

That post convinces me.


This is a fraud.

[isthisnickcool]

Would that make various letters seem like they were "typed"? Would that account for making the letters in the "old" document have "high" and "low" spots?

[lilylangtree]

The prevalent typewriter of Bush's period that the govt used were IBM Selectrics. The IBM either had a pica (10 pitch) or elite (12 pitch) typewriting character.

[Rebelbase]

Here is the suspected forgery, still looking for the the legitimate signature:

[Howlin]

Did you do that?

If you did, take the one you did and run it through a copier a couple of times, if you have access to one.

If not, maybe somebody else can.

[Howlin]

They did NOT come from Bush's military records.

From this morning's Washington Post:

Documents obtained by the CBS News program "60 Minutes" shed new light on one of the most controversial episodes in Bush's military service, when he abruptly stopped flying and moved from Texas to Alabama to work on a political campaign. The documents include a memo from Bush's squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, ordering Bush "to be suspended from flight status for failure to perform" to U.S. Air Force and National Guard standards and failure to take his annual physical "as ordered."

The new documents surfaced as the Bush administration released for the first time the president's personal flight logs, which have been the focus of repeated archival searches and Freedom of Information Act requests dating to the 2000 presidential campaign. The logs show that Bush stopped flying in April 1972 after accumulating more than 570 hours of flight time between 1969 and 1972, much of it on an F-102 interceptor jet.

--snip--

A spokeswoman for "60 Minutes," Kelli Edwards, declined to say exactly how the new documents were obtained other than that CBS News understood they had been taken from Killian's "personal office file." In addition to the order to Bush to report for a physical, the documents include various memos from Killian describing his conversations with Bush and other National Guard officers about Bush's attempts to secure a transfer to Alabama. Killian died in 1984.

[beyondashadow]

Interesting that Word automatically wraps the lines at exactly the same places as the original document -- where the typist would have performed a manual carriage return at the end of each line.

[ScaniaBoy]

Web-page with scans of Selectrics fonts:

http://www.selectric.org/selectric/index.html

From the same page:

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Selectric and Selectric II Type Styles (Fonts) These are 600 dpi black and white (not greyscale) scans from the mid 1970s IBM Type Styles and Elements brochure. There are six pages, each with several fonts.

10 Pitch Type Styles: Advocate, Bookface Academic 72, Delegate, Orator, Courier 72, Pica 72, Prestige Pica 72

12 Pitch Type Styles: Adjutant, Artisan 12, Courier 12 Italic, Scribe, Prestige Elite, Courier 12, Elite 72, Letter Gothic

Special Typing Applications: Light Italic, Script, Printing ANSI-OCR, Symbol 10, 108 OCR, Manifold 72, Symbol 12

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Good hunting!

ScaniaBoy

[agooga]

I think we'd do ourselves a favor if we could get some "authentic" memos from Killian that we could compare to.

[agincourt1415]

"th" is the smoking gun, I have never seen it used like that (because we had no typewriters that with that capability), in the mid seventies.

A reserve or Guard unit would get our surplus typewriters, and they would not have that type face either.

[The_Victor]

That's pretty damned convincing!

BUMP

[Rebelbase]

Here is a comparison from another thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210987/posts?page=187#187

I still can't find the thread where I saved the two signatures I posted.

[isthisnickcool]

Drudge just broke all of this......

[Petronski]

There's one flaw: the th in 187th are slightly offset, vertically.

[libstripper]

I admininstered defense contracts 1968-1969 while in the Army at Defense Contract Admininstration Services, Region Chigago, where the commander was an AF colonel. All our work paper work was done either by hand or with mono-spaced IBM Selectrics. Even practicing law thereafter, we used monospaced Selectrics. In all of this time I didn't see a single one of the Executives used, especially while I was in the Army at DCASR Chigago.

[Politicalities]

There's an even more obvious difference in signatures here: