Posted on 09/09/2004 10:49:41 AM PDT by Jack_1
I opened Microsoft Word, set the font to Microsoft’s Times New Roman, tabbed over to the default tab stop to enter the date “18 August 1973,” then typed the rest of the document purportedly from the personal records of the late Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian.
And my Microsoft Word version, typed in 2004, is an exact match for the documents trumpeted by CBS News as “authentic.”
(Excerpt) Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com ...
?????????????? What am I missing here.
This must be exposed. Of course the Left-Stream-Media will gloss over this.
Check your eyes and cross your tees.
I smell ozone!
If littlegreenfootballs has this then Drudge, Fox and the talk radio won't be far behind.
The large majority of people aren't going to realize the significance of this. I'll play devil's advocate and say there's bound to be some excuse, as in they were printed from electronic copies or scanned into text reading software, etc.
On the other hand... nicely done.
This needs to be investigated, I thought it was just too convenient???
Well in truth CBS said the "believed" them to be authentic. They have given themselves a legal out. They didn't or can't "CERTIFY" them as authentic.
It means the docs on CBS that "prove" Bush's illegit NG service are actually forged documents.
FYI..must see..
Why?
Wouldn't it be odd for the document to have "Bush" in it without rank being before his name?
If those documnents are proved to be forgeries it will be almost as big as the swiftvets. That's major egg-on-the-face of CBS, and despite the fact that they are "Rather biased", they still have bills to pay and they still need jobs.
Fark.com already mentioned this today, and linked to a FReeper thread on the subject.
A couple of the give-aways are the supersript "th" and the presence of curly apostrophes, and a proportioned font, none of which apparently were on typewriter keyboards of the era.
I learned typing about this time, and have a fairly strong recollection of the IBM Selectrics, Olympia and Smith-Corona machines that were then in use, and cannot recall ever seeing a superscript "th", not sure about the curly apostrophe. The latter may have been available on specially purchased balls for the Selectric.
The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that it's a forgery.
As stated on another posting:
The memos are done in a proportional font (i.e., times roman).
A memo, done in the late 60's or early 70's, would be either a) hand written or b) in a monospaced TYPEWRITER font.
What the poster is referring to is this:
Open up Word, or whatever word processor you may own. Type in the copy from the 'killian memos'.
Use the font 'Times'
Copy the text, and, in the copied text, change the font to something monospaced (courier, for example).
Compare the two, and you'll see what he means.
The point of the whole exercise is this: pre-computer, you used typewriters. Typewriters are monospaced. The font on a typewriter was NOT Times, that was for professional printing.
The Killian memo is, apparently, done in times.
I'm withholding judgement pending my actual viewing of these documents. If this is true, it's exceedingly stupid on CBS' part. Anybody whose done any work in the printing/ad/publishing business SHOULD be able to catch this.
If you run the Microsoft Word document through a scanner, I suspect you'd have an identical match with all of the stray marks and minor letter drops.
I was laughing so hard I forgot to mention the ozone was for the liberal new sources.....sorry...
They should tell us how they got them. We shouldn't have to take their word for it that they are authentic. The info on how they got them is part of the story, particularly if they are vouching for their authenticity.
Another angle is the date Saturday, August 18, 1973. Where was this Commander on August 18, 1973?
It is, and was, COURIER NEW in the Naval Service. ANYTHING else is BOGUS.
"They should tell us how they got them"
Yes. I assumed they got them from military records...or was there an intermediary?
Who can halftone the 'memo text, over the modern Word version. Ideally you would leave the original as black and turn the Word version into red. Lay them over each other and see if any red shows or of the 'memo' perfectly cancels out the red fake.
...............WORD fake:
If forgeries (as seems likely)...
Were they actually in the "archives"?
Who Berger'd them in there?
If not, at what point in the delivery chain were
they Berger'd in?
As I was once said by the Governator: "No Problemo."
I've been working in the field for over 20 years and currently serve with a text processing company so I am intimately familiar with these technologies. The document is an OBVIOUS forgery. Note last night I cautioned it's probably not even worth the exercise because it's not part of the current agenda. However, now that this forgery has been proven so effectively, Dan Rather must be held accountable.
Holy cow.
That's...
Can anybody tell me if that is possible? EVERY report I've seen from that era, ESPECIALLY lower level stuff (i.e. memos) was on a typewriter!
That memo on the left wasn't made by no typewriter I ever met!
Has anybody contacted Drudge on this?
Who's Standt or Hodges. Can they verify this?
This is not necessarily true. At least one Freeper had personal experience with IBM Executive (NOT Selectric) typewriters with a proportional spaced font in that same time period.
But this Times Roman mockup demonstration is VERY compelling because of how exact it is.
Hey, you are forgetting...it's not the validity of the proof that is important. It is the seriousness of the charges that makes it important.
The content is also extraordinary. It is so chocked filled with what they need. That's a little too much for me.
Save both images from above to your hard drive.
Simply open Paint.
Use the box thingy to draw a box around the text then "cut" the text.
Open up the second file in paint.
Paste the first one over the second! The "move" the image over the first.
PERFECT MATCH!!!!!!
That's dang creepy. Manoman, I had been keeping my comments back, thinking folks were just "reachin" around here, but now I'm starting to think that this IS a case of forgery.
Desparation is a horrible thing, and cornered animals are dangerous. The road to November is going to be sticky.
Maybe Sandy did this himself. He was in the Army Reserves waybackwhen. He was a personnel specialist, so he knows all the stuff here. A giveaway would be if Sandy used an Army term or abbreviation where there was a different Air Force term or abbreviation.
IBM Model 4, built in 1941.
LTC and LTC only.
Here are several other threads this is being talked about today.
Well, I just wrote to Brit Hume, Bill O'Reilly, Greta, Hannity and Colmes and 60 Minutes regarding this. Maybe someone will look into it.
We've all posted on FR a million times. Have you ever noticed that the typing in the "Your Reply:" window that you type into does not look like message in the "If you posted your comment as-is, it would look like..." window?
You typing is in an evenly spaced font. It posts in a proportional font. We're all so used to seeing it that you don't even notice anymore.
Apparently an intermediary, or they would not be concerned about the authenticity.
Freepers, I salute you. I've been reading this and related threads because they're so interesting. People have done amazing investigative work since yesterday. That being said, I don't think the MSM will pick up on this analysis but some of the 'new media' (which they hate) might.
I sent an inquiry to Drudge on this. Hoping FOX looks into it.
Hey, I don't know the first thing about this stuff but if you do what I suggest it matches. Looks almost identical to me.
Do we know that the images on littlgreenfootballs are real? I just linked to them. Because they are a perfect match. Maybe someone is messing around? Maybe the "original" is a fake one that was posted?
There seem to be a number of blatant "signs" that this is a forgery. I'd like to say this would be the final nail in the media's coffin, but then, I thought maybe when we caught AP lying about Republicans booing President Bush's get well wishes would do that. Silly me.
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