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Honor Reclaimed: POWs have their say
National Review ^ | 09/10/04 | Kate O'Beirne

Posted on 09/10/2004 6:19:06 AM PDT by Pokey78

If the powerful documentary featuring highly decorated Vietnam POWs recounting how Lt.(jg) John Kerry's antiwar activity affected them was seen by the huge audience it deserves, Massachusetts's junior senator wouldn't get elected to a sanitation commission. In Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal, 13 POWs, whose cries of pain, defiance, and despair went unheard during their hellish captivity, share their stories about the betrayal they felt when a fellow officer claimed American forces were guilty of widespread war crimes. Over 30 years ago, antiwar veterans (both faux and real) basked in the media spotlight; now proud veterans who endured their slanders, along with years of cruelty and abuse, are having their say. These indisputable heroes include two Medal of Honor winners, one of whom explains, "This is an effort that was long in coming, but would not have come about if not for the Democratic candidate 'reporting for duty.'"

The 45-minute film opens with scenes of the dank cells at the Hanoi Hilton where the oppressive silence would only be broken by "cries of pain." One POW recalls the intense pain of the torture they suffered, explaining that "the rope was the worst." Following one such session, designed to win a confession of war crimes, another explains that for days afterward he was unable to move his body from his shoulders down. Ken Cordier, held for over six years, explains that they would be brutally manacled until they "screamed loud and long enough" to be released in exchange for information and confessions. Any injury was specifically targeted in order to break the captives more quickly. Tapes of Jane Fonda accusing them of being war criminals were played in their cells.

Mary Jane McManus had eloped in Hawaii and was married for three days when her husband Kevin returned to Vietnam to complete his tour. She didn't see him again for almost six years. While she kept her lonely vigil, she witnessed the charges being leveled by John Kerry and others. She couldn't fathom that anyone would believe American troops were capable of routinely committing atrocities, because "they were our husbands, and sons and brothers."

James Warner, held for over five years, recalls being made to stand motionless inside a small chalked circle on the floor. He lasted for 97 hours, during which he had a view of the camp's front gate. He saw the author Mary McCarthy and Tom Hayden enter the camp. His mother attended the Winter Soldier hearings and issued a statement criticizing the war, which his captors shared with him along with statements by John Kerry. He explains that Kerry met with his mother and sister and thinks it was a "contemptible act" to take advantage of a "grieving old lady and manipulate her grief to promote your own political agenda." He adds, "He burned up his Band of Brothers membership card when he did that."

When John Kerry was the prized spokesman for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), there were 700 American POWs in Vietnam. Many of those involved in this documentary, funded by $200,000 in donations from Pennsylvania veterans, believe that antiwar activists encouraged their captors to hold out because the "war would be lost in the streets of America." They point out that the immediate withdrawal of troops demanded by the VVAW would have abandoned them to whatever fate their captors chose when they were no longer bargaining chips in a negotiated end to the war.

Paul Galanti, who flew 97 combat missions before being shot down on June 17, 1966, spent over six and a half years as a POW. Referring to the Winter Soldier hearings that have been thoroughly debunked, Galanti says that John Kerry "should have known those guys he was with were frauds." The film includes a short clip from the Winter Soldier hearings that drew chuckles from the audience. An alleged veteran is having his memory refreshed about an alleged atrocity he was having trouble recalling. Galanti reminds the audience that "the cruelties of My Lai were exposed by the soldiers there."

Leo Thorsness, who was awarded the Medal of Honor, talks about the strict rules of engagement governing pilots flying over North Vietnam, ruefully noting that as a result the enemy had "plenty of chances to shoot us down."

Colonel George "Bud" Day, who also won the Medal of Honor and is considered one of the most decorated veterans of the last century, recalls being outraged to learn that veterans were warned not to wear their uniforms when they returned home. The film depicts protesters waving signs reading, "No Parades for Murderers" and "See Nixon's War Criminals" in front of veterans. "Right to this day we still have not recovered our good name," Day angrily declares. He charges that John Kerry wants them to forget the role he played in blackening the name of all Vietnam veterans. "I can never forget," he says.

The documentary is available on the Stolen Honor website. Its producer, Carlton Sherwood, a Pulitzer Prize wining journalist and Marine Vietnam veteran, points out that "there is no fog of war here" given the public testimony of John Kerry. He explains that the motivation is "deeply personal" rather than political.

An Army Vietnam veteran recently told me, "When John Kerry loses, it will be the parade we never had." They've earned it.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: documentary; kateobeirne; kerry; moviereview; obeirne; stolenhonor; vietnamveterans
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1 posted on 09/10/2004 6:19:06 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78

I hope these guys get the media attention they deserve.


2 posted on 09/10/2004 6:19:48 AM PDT by USA_Soccer (Try a better (free + open source) browser -> Mozilla Firefox @ mozilla.org)
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To: Pokey78

Not only POW's were betrayed but all of his comrades in arms were betrayed also. He helped the enemy and should have been charged with treason.


3 posted on 09/10/2004 6:23:08 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: USA_Soccer
I hope these guys get the media attention they deserve.

Amen. The lefties need to be crushed, and the Vietnam "loss" needs to become known for what it was, political subversion that carried an awful and totally unacceptable price. And, looking forward, that the same subversive forces are alive and kicking today, and would have us repeat that mistake in Iraq, and anywhere else we defend this country.

4 posted on 09/10/2004 6:25:50 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Pokey78

God Bless America's POWs.


5 posted on 09/10/2004 6:32:42 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Pokey78

I can hardly wait for the media attack on these veterans.

Talk about awaking a sleeping giant . . . !


6 posted on 09/10/2004 6:46:09 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: Pokey78

BTTT.


7 posted on 10/17/2004 3:20:48 AM PDT by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: Pokey78; Dane

BTTT!

And please go take a look at the Swift Vets's
two latest ads! They're sKerry killers!


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1247731/posts


8 posted on 10/17/2004 3:35:23 AM PDT by onyx (John "F" Kerry deserves to be the final casualty of the Vietnam War - Re-elect Bush/Cheney)
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To: onyx; governsleastgovernsbest; MistyCA; Howlin
Thanks Onyx.

Governs, Misty, and Howlin could you use your ping lists to bump this thread.

9 posted on 10/17/2004 3:44:16 AM PDT by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: Dane

Thank you Dane.
I absolutely LOVE that 2nd ad.
Bud Day is in it!
Heroes all.


10 posted on 10/17/2004 3:45:59 AM PDT by onyx (John "F" Kerry deserves to be the final casualty of the Vietnam War - Re-elect Bush/Cheney)
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To: Pokey78
Galanti says that John Kerry "should have known those guys he was with were frauds."

On the "takes one to know one" principle?

11 posted on 10/17/2004 3:52:09 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Dane; 06isweak; 100American; 100%FEDUP; 101st-Eagle; 101stSignal; 101viking; 10Ring; ...

Bump for the POW's and Stolen Honor ~~~~Ping~~~~


12 posted on 10/17/2004 8:04:51 AM PDT by MistyCA (I think if you were to ask Edward's wife, who is fat, she would tell you she is being who she is...)
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To: MistyCA

Thanks!

BUMP


13 posted on 10/17/2004 8:12:45 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Pokey78
"When John Kerry loses, it will be the parade we never had."

One more reason why this election is so important. I wish I lived in an area served by Sinclare, I'd have a viewing party and invite every democrat neighbor for a mile around.

14 posted on 10/17/2004 8:14:16 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: MistyCA
Thank you Misty.

BTTT

15 posted on 10/17/2004 8:14:38 AM PDT by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: MistyCA
If the powerful documentary featuring highly decorated Vietnam POWs recounting how Lt.(jg) John Kerry's antiwar activity affected them was seen by the huge audience it deserves, Massachusetts's junior senator wouldn't get elected to a sanitation commission.

Bump!

16 posted on 10/17/2004 8:21:01 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: MistyCA

I won't miss it - and the date/time/channel will be posted at my favorite watering hole.


17 posted on 10/17/2004 8:25:24 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Pokey78

I would sure love to see the MSM jump on this and report it for what it really is.

But they wont. If they report it at all they will spin it in some way to make it seem as though it's the POW's fault for the torture they received.

If the common people really had a firm understanding of what kind of person Kerry really is, he would be polling behind Nadar.


18 posted on 10/17/2004 8:25:27 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (Kerry is a liar. Bush is a leader. - Michael Reagan)
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To: MistyCA
Tapes of Jane Fonda accusing them of being war criminals were played in their cells."

Jane Fonda should be in prison for aiding the enemy in time of war.

19 posted on 10/17/2004 8:26:55 AM PDT by gatex
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To: MistyCA; Pokey78; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; mwl1; Chieftain; kingattax; TomGuy; JohnHuang2; ...
Bump for the POW's and Stolen Honor ~~~~Ping~~~~


20 posted on 10/17/2004 8:27:08 AM PDT by SheLion (PLEASE vote! We can't afford to be silent!!!! Do we really want FnKerry to run our Country?!)
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To: Pokey78

May God amplify the long silenced truth these patriots proclaim, from the mountain tops. May the echos repeat ever louder until Kerry's lies are exposed for what they are and forever silenced.


21 posted on 10/17/2004 8:27:14 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (The liberal Democrats are properly redefining themselves as the pro-aggressive party.)
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To: MistyCA
Where are the Freepers who criticized our troops for putting womens panties on the Iraqis POW's heads? Come on you jump to the front of the line to read exactly what torture entails. It sure as shit isn't doesn't involve a pair of panties on your head!

>>The 45-minute film opens with scenes of the dank cells at the Hanoi Hilton where the oppressive silence would only be broken by "cries of pain." One POW recalls the intense pain of the torture they suffered, explaining that "the rope was the worst." Following one such session, designed to win a confession of war crimes, another explains that for days afterward he was unable to move his body from his shoulders down. Ken Cordier, held for over six years, explains that they would be brutally manacled until they "screamed loud and long enough" to be released in exchange for information and confessions. Any injury was specifically targeted in order to break the captives more quickly. Tapes of Jane Fonda accusing them of being war criminals were played in their cells.<<

Did you hear any rumors about our troops twisting a prisoners broken arm to get confessions or suspending them from the ceiling by their arms which were tied behind their backs?

No you didn't, that's what actual torture is about. Our troops humiliated the Iraqis, they never got close to torturing them.

22 posted on 10/17/2004 8:27:34 AM PDT by B4Ranch (´´Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are our teeth for Liberty)
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To: Pokey78

Bump--Good article.


23 posted on 10/17/2004 8:29:57 AM PDT by Snoopers-868th (As one Vet said--When John Kerry loses, it will be the parade the Vets never had)
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To: MistyCA

Thanks Misty.


24 posted on 10/17/2004 8:33:24 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: MistyCA

Bttt


25 posted on 10/17/2004 8:33:42 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: Dane

You're welcome!


26 posted on 10/17/2004 8:36:34 AM PDT by MistyCA (I think if you were to ask Edward's wife, who is fat, she would tell you she is being who she is...)
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To: Heart of Georgia

I ordered my copy of the movie last night. Even if it airs on TV I hope they sell many copies to help with the cost.


27 posted on 10/17/2004 8:38:36 AM PDT by MistyCA (I think if you were to ask Edward's wife, who is fat, she would tell you she is being who she is...)
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To: MistyCA

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HAL G. MOORE: The Legacy and Lessons of an American Warrior

http://www.war-forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14752

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28 posted on 10/17/2004 8:39:48 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: B4Ranch

Torture as defined by our liberal kinsmen, admirers of our enemies, whoever that enemy may be, is any discomfort experienced by those captive enemies. Anything inflicted upon our own troops by our enemies, is merited, according to the mentally ill opinion of America's sh*t headed left.

What would really qualify as torture for those Muslim prisoners, would have been forcing them to treat women as fellow human beings with equal rights.



29 posted on 10/17/2004 8:46:36 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (The liberal Democrats are properly redefining themselves as the pro-aggressive party.)
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To: MistyCA

I'm ordering it also and passing it around. Hope it gets here fast!!!


30 posted on 10/17/2004 8:46:47 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: gatex

I have been saying that for years. She probably skated because it was not an officially declared war, but also because so many in the public just wanted to put Vietnam behind us. The idea that so many of the people who created the most problems back then were able to manuever the political landscape and serve in various positions in the government boggles my mind. Tom Hayden made a mess out of Santa Monica, Ca. Angela Davis is still influencing our University kids. Some of the biggest violators ended up in Congress, for crying out loud. Clearly many in the public simply know not who they are dealing with.


31 posted on 10/17/2004 8:48:33 AM PDT by MistyCA (I think if you were to ask Edward's wife, who is fat, she would tell you she is being who she is...)
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To: Piquaboy
John F'n Kerry's photo doesn't hang next to Jane Fonda's in the Hall of Viet Cong War Heroes for no reason.....

The bastard belongs in Ft. Leavenworth - Not DC.

32 posted on 10/17/2004 8:48:49 AM PDT by TheGrimReaper (o)(o)....Keeping abreast for 50 years now.)
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To: SheLion

I need to get a good Ping thingy. :)


33 posted on 10/17/2004 8:51:08 AM PDT by MistyCA (I think if you were to ask Edward's wife, who is fat, she would tell you she is being who she is...)
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To: B4Ranch

Amazing, isn't it? I hardly equate panties over the head with having no head at all! I am one of those people who think we are simply too nice to some of those detainees!


34 posted on 10/17/2004 8:53:06 AM PDT by MistyCA (I think if you were to ask Edward's wife, who is fat, she would tell you she is being who she is...)
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To: snippy_about_it

You are welcome, Snippy! Are you still hanging on to Oregon's vote for us???? Did you get to see the President?


35 posted on 10/17/2004 8:53:57 AM PDT by MistyCA (I think if you were to ask Edward's wife, who is fat, she would tell you she is being who she is...)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks, Ronnie! Of course, your unit will always be on my "Hero" wall! :)


36 posted on 10/17/2004 8:55:32 AM PDT by MistyCA (I think if you were to ask Edward's wife, who is fat, she would tell you she is being who she is...)
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To: Pokey78; MistyCA

Thanks for the post, ping!


37 posted on 10/17/2004 8:55:49 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: gatex

I'll bet Old Hanoi Jane is regretting johnnyboy's bid for office now. Bet neither of them anticipated this reinspection of their criminal, immoral, abhorent behavior.

The Lord DOES work in mysterious ways.

:)


38 posted on 10/17/2004 8:56:54 AM PDT by bannie (Jamma Nana!)
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To: Pokey78

Patriotic BUMP!


39 posted on 10/17/2004 8:57:07 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Heart of Georgia

I hope mine is here fast too! I would love to order 10 copies!


40 posted on 10/17/2004 8:58:43 AM PDT by MistyCA (I think if you were to ask Edward's wife, who is fat, she would tell you she is being who she is...)
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To: MistyCA
I need to get a good Ping thingy. :)

For sure. Just put a little line 'if you want on or off my ping list, FReep mail me.' Then, you can build your ping list that way.

41 posted on 10/17/2004 9:02:16 AM PDT by SheLion (PLEASE vote! We can't afford to be silent!!!! Do we really want FnKerry to run our Country?!)
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To: Pokey78
To those who served and to the POWs especially.

The war isn't over till the last man comes home.You.ve chosen to complete this one last mission. On November 3rd, God willing, we will truly welcome you all home.

42 posted on 10/17/2004 9:05:41 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: SheLion

thx for the ping...we have to defeat this traitor


43 posted on 10/17/2004 9:08:31 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: TheGrimReaper

Levenworth is too good for Kerry for one thing and for another it would deprive visitors to the Wall in DC of a real pleasure along with their reflections and paying respect to loved ones.

Kerry should be locked into stocks in front of the wall so the veterans and/or their relatives can throw rotton fruit, and whatever at his ugly puss as justice was once meted out in Kerry's hometown.


44 posted on 10/17/2004 9:08:40 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (The liberal Democrats are properly redefining themselves as the pro-aggressive party.)
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To: MistyCA

BTT!!!!!!!


45 posted on 10/17/2004 9:28:00 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: kingattax
thx for the ping...we have to defeat this traitor

Without a doubt!!!


46 posted on 10/17/2004 9:31:51 AM PDT by SheLion (PLEASE vote! We can't afford to be silent!!!! Do we really want FnKerry to run our Country?!)
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To: PGalt

You are welcome!


47 posted on 10/17/2004 9:31:58 AM PDT by MistyCA (I think if you were to ask Edward's wife, who is fat, she would tell you she is being who she is...)
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To: E.G.C.

;)


48 posted on 10/17/2004 9:34:07 AM PDT by MistyCA (I think if you were to ask Edward's wife, who is fat, she would tell you she is being who she is...)
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To: MistyCA

BUMP again!


49 posted on 10/17/2004 9:39:24 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Pokey78
An Army Vietnam veteran recently told me, "When John Kerry loses, it will be the parade we never had." They've earned it. I certainly don't want Kerry to win, based on the observation that he is a pompass a--hole and a FLAMING liberal. These guys have a REAL, deep seated reason to HATE the man. It would truly be a kick in the teeth for each of them to see him win. I pray they get their parade.
50 posted on 10/17/2004 9:50:10 AM PDT by Muzzle_em
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