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Dan Rather Lied: Company that owns font did not License it till 1980!
Internet ^ | 5 May 1994 | Charles Bigalow

Posted on 09/10/2004 5:23:19 PM PDT by Thanatos

Times (New) Roman and its part in the Development of Scalable Font Technology

By Charles Bigelow

Charles Bigelow posted this article to the Usenet newsgroup "comp.fonts" in May 1994 in response to the question: What's the difference between Times Roman and Times New Roman? I am grateful to Prof. Bigelow for his permission to publish the article. I have taken the liberty of retitling it.

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: What's the difference between Times Roman and Times New Roman?
From: Charles Bigelow
Date: 5 May 1994

"Times Roman" is the name used by Linotype, and the name they registered as a trademark for the design in the U.S. "Times New Roman" was and still is the name used by The Monotype Corporation. The face was developed by The Times newspaper for its own use, under the design direction of Stanley Morison. Originally cut by the Monotype Corp. in England, the design was also licensed to Linotype, because The Times used Linotype equipment for much of its actual production. The story of "The Times New Roman" can be found in Stanley Morison's A Tally of Types, published by Cambridge University Press, with additional, though not quite the same, versions in Nicolas Barker's biography of Stanley Morison, and in James Moran's biography of SM. (There should be an apostrophe in that name, "Times' Roman", I suppose, though no-one uses it.)

During WWII, the American Linotype company, in a generous spirit of Allied camaraderie, applied for registration of the trademark name "Times Roman" as its own, not Monotype's or The Times', and received the registration in 1945.

In the 1980's, all this was revisited when some entrepreneurs, desirous of gaining the rights to use the name, applied to Rupert Murdoch, who owned The Times; separately, a legal action was also initiated to clarify the right of Monotype to use the name in the U.S., despite Linotype's registration.

The outcome of all of the legal maneuverings is that Linotype and its licensees like Adobe and Apple continue to use the name "Times Roman", while Monotype and its licensees like Microsoft use the name "Times New Roman".

During the decades of transatlantic "sharing" of the Times designs, and the transfer of the faces from metal to photo to digital, various differences developed between the versions marketed by Linotype and Monotype. Especially these became evident when Adobe released the PostScript version, for various reasons having to do with how Adobe produced the original PostScript implementations of Times. The width metrics were different, as well as various proportions and details.

In the late 1980's, Monotype redrew its Times New Roman to make it fit exactly the proportions and metrics of the Adobe-Linotype version of Times Roman. Monotype claimed that its new version was better than the Adobe-Linotype version, because of smoother curves, better detailing, and generally greater sensitivity to the original designs done for The Times and Monotype by Victor Lardent, who worked under the direction of Stanley Morison. During the same period, Adobe upgraded its version of Times, using digital masters from Linotype, which of course claimed that it had a superior version, so there was a kind of competition to see who had the most refined, sensitive, original, genuine, bona-fide, artistically and typographically correct version. Many, perhaps most, users didn't notice and didn't care about these subtle distinctions, many of which were invisible at 10 pt at 300 dpi (which is an em of 42 pixels, a stem of three pixels, a serif of 1 pixel, and so on).

When Microsoft produced its version of Times New Roman, licensed from Monotype, in TrueType format, and when Apple produced its version of Times Roman, licensed from Linotype, in TrueType format, the subtle competition took on a new aspect, because both Microsoft and Apple expended a great deal of time and effort to make the TrueType versions as good as, or better than, the PostScript version. During the same period, Adobe released ATM along with upgraded versions of its core set of fonts, for improved rasterization on screen. Also, firms like Imagen, now part of QMS, and Sun developed rival font scaling technologies, and labored to make sure that their renderings of Times, licensed from Linotype in both cases, were equal to those of their competitors. Hence, the perceived quality of the Times design became a litmus for the quality of several font formats. Never before, and probably never again, would the precise placement of pixels in the serifs or 's' curves etc. of Times Roman occupy the attention of so many engineers and computer scientists. It was perhaps the supreme era of the Digital Fontologist.

As for the actual visual differences in the designs, well, like any good academic author, I leave the detection and analysis of those "as an exercise for the reader".

© Charles Bigelow


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81 posted on 09/10/2004 6:14:45 PM PDT by Thanatos
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment
Dan Rather's acting like some Cigarette Executive being interviewed by Mike Wallace.

Lol!

82 posted on 09/10/2004 6:16:34 PM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: Thanatos
The DUmmies have been posting that all day: "Look! It's a list of Selectric balls, and some of them have a black dot, meaning 'proportional spacing.'"

They overlook the asterisk: 'For use on typewriters and printers with proportional spacing.' IAW, NOT the Selectric.

83 posted on 09/10/2004 6:16:39 PM PDT by Petronski (I'd like to volunteer to build a barn and take you press guys out behind it and kick your asses.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Uh-huh. That difference between the two fonts alone should be enough for CBS to let go of those badly-drawn boys and call it a day.

However, they keep on pushing this.


84 posted on 09/10/2004 6:18:35 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: Malsua

Killian had a linotype in his basement, donchaknow.


85 posted on 09/10/2004 6:19:02 PM PDT by Petronski (I'd like to volunteer to build a barn and take you press guys out behind it and kick your asses.)
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To: Petronski

Probably a photo compositor.

I'm still fond of the Mr. Peabody and Sherman with the Wayback Machine theory.


86 posted on 09/10/2004 6:20:24 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Dude, you are amazing!!!


87 posted on 09/10/2004 6:20:46 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Morologus es!)
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To: lavrenti

True enough. However, as I said it shouldn't matter since I don't recall the Times New Roman or even Times Roman font being used on typewriters or computers or consoles prior to the early 80s...

If the font in those memos is one of the roman fonts, then it's a document that is at least post-1980...


88 posted on 09/10/2004 6:22:01 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Kerry's Campaign fell 12 stories, hitting the pavement like a Hefty bag filled with vegetable soup.)
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To: Thanatos

Perhaps the most interesting question coming from this SNAFU is: "If Kerry had these documents forged, what other documents from his past are also forged?"


89 posted on 09/10/2004 6:22:41 PM PDT by per loin (This tagline has not been censored!)
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To: netmilsmom

Thank you! (The Imaginary Spiders are not thanking you though, since they were just forced to leave) ;0)


90 posted on 09/10/2004 6:22:46 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Kerry's Campaign fell 12 stories, hitting the pavement like a Hefty bag filled with vegetable soup.)
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To: Thanatos

Nice work!


91 posted on 09/10/2004 6:22:53 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

>> (The Imaginary Spiders are not thanking you though, since they were just forced to leave) ;0)<<

LOL!


92 posted on 09/10/2004 6:23:52 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Morologus es!)
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To: lavrenti
You may find slight differences between Times Roman and Times New Roman.

I always thought that as well.

Times Roman is a body text, serifed typeface. It was created by Linotype to compete with Monotype's Times New Roman typeface. Both are based on an older design called Plantin. Their readability and economical use of space caused them to be used extensively in American newspapers during World War II to save paper. A digital version of Times Roman was implemented in early Postscript interpreters (also in laser printers) and later distributed with the free Acrobat Reader software for the popular PDF file format, thus making the typeface ubiquitous.

The differences between Times Roman and Times New Roman PS are mostly a trademark issue. Although there are subtle stylistic and spacing differences, they are invisible in body typefaces at normal reading distances.

Microsoft Windows computers feature Monotype's Times New Roman PS while Mac computers have Linotype's Times Roman.

In digital font systems, Times [New] Roman is usually the first font coded, and the font most often examined to determine the quality of the font system. Therefore, software designers and commercial organizations take particular care with it.

 

from: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Times_Roman
93 posted on 09/10/2004 6:25:19 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Which is true. Therefore Rather's defense is amusing and absurd.


94 posted on 09/10/2004 6:25:56 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: Thanatos

I don't know why ANYONE would want to claim credit for New Times Roman. It is an awful, shrimpy typeface, especially for baby boomers whose collective eyesight has started to show wear and tear. It's ugly too. I hate it.


95 posted on 09/10/2004 6:26:10 PM PDT by Amore (Go, Swifties, go!)
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To: lavrenti

Well, yeah LOL. I don't think many hear disagree with THAT LOL


96 posted on 09/10/2004 6:27:48 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Kerry's Campaign fell 12 stories, hitting the pavement like a Hefty bag filled with vegetable soup.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

I don't know about you, but my first response when I finally loaded those .pdfs the other night was laughter.

I have a mental image of the dudes from Raising Arizona putting this fraud together.


97 posted on 09/10/2004 6:31:35 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: Amore
I don't know why ANYONE would want to claim credit for New Times Roman. It is an awful, shrimpy typeface, especially for baby boomers whose collective eyesight has started to show wear and tear. It's ugly too. I hate it.

Well, somebody liked it so much they neglected to change it to Courier or American Typewriter...and here we are, LOL!!!

98 posted on 09/10/2004 6:33:06 PM PDT by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: My2Cents

With you there. Nothing like having FRiends.


99 posted on 09/10/2004 6:33:09 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: lavrenti

I hear ya... Probably some punk kid, who's never even seen a typewriter, thinking "I'll make up some documents, and make points with the boss!" as they sat down at their PC, fired up Word, and began to type...


100 posted on 09/10/2004 6:33:39 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Kerry's Campaign fell 12 stories, hitting the pavement like a Hefty bag filled with vegetable soup.)
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