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No Escape Route for CBS - Recommended Response from Killian Family

Posted on 09/11/2004 7:40:09 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid

As a retired Air Force officer, I humbly suggest that the Killian family release the following statement to the press:

Based on overwhelming forensic evidence, significant internal discrepancies, and our intimate knowledge of the husband and father we knew as Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Killian, we hereby declare the documents presented on CBS 60 minutes II to be forgeries.

Moreover, any documents of this nature that may exist are not official Air National Guard records, but are the personal records of LtCol Killian and rightfully belong with his family. We did not and would never authorize any documents of this nature for public release. Whoever would obtain these documents of this nature would violate the privacy of a deceased Air National Guard member and would have obtained the documents surrepticiously and against his will.

We are outraged that a major news outlet would have so little respect for the family of a deceased service member as to so pathetically attempt to manipulate the words of that member for political gain.

I humbly hope that the family will issue some type of formal statement or news release of this nature. If anyone can get this post to them, p;ease forward it.


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KEYWORDS: 60minutes; cbsnews; killian; rathergate; selectricgate
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1 posted on 09/11/2004 7:40:10 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
I keep thinking that there is some cause of action that the family could take against CBS. These documents, if accurate, are the private property of the family. But if they are not, it's a fraud perpetrated against a family.

I know you can't libel the dead. But that doesn't mean there isn't another legal theory for a cause of action.

2 posted on 09/11/2004 7:44:36 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Bump


3 posted on 09/11/2004 7:44:55 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Hey did anyone see this?? This guy is offering a $17,600 reward to the first person who can find a typewriter available in 1972 that reasonably could have produced the documents. Freggin` great! Hope this gets a lot of press.

http://defeatjohnjohn.com/pageone.htm

4 posted on 09/11/2004 7:45:16 AM PDT by Imaverygooddriver ( What`s the difference between a car alarm and John Kerry? Car alarms sometimes do their job.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Hmmmm. They had to say they were personal papers because falsifying official documents is a felony, and the Justice Department could have launched an investigation.<p.However, if these were personal papers, released without permission of the estate, perhaps there is a possibility of a lawsuit against CBS for defamation of the late Col. Killian's character.


5 posted on 09/11/2004 7:46:20 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

That's the direction I was thinking--but I'd prefer Ben Ginsberg's advice on this particular matter.


6 posted on 09/11/2004 7:48:38 AM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

CBS says they were "personal". I suspect it would also be appropriate to file suit for theft of said "personal" papers. Let a court decide if they are real or not.


7 posted on 09/11/2004 7:48:50 AM PDT by cynicom (<p)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Please add:

"This fraud has defamed the proud name of Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Killian, a man who served his country well. In order to ensure that such libelous acts are discouraged in the future, the Killian family will seek punative damages against those who allowed this fraud to occur."


8 posted on 09/11/2004 7:49:21 AM PDT by islander-11 (Owning a gun makes me a criminal like owning a six-iron makes me a Skakel.)
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To: islander-11

Good advice from all!


9 posted on 09/11/2004 7:50:29 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid (hey cannot co)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Where's the 'you'll hear from our lawyer' sentence? Edwards should be all over this like a cheap suit. Hey, here's some work for him after Nov. 2.


10 posted on 09/11/2004 7:55:00 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Miss Marple

Ah- but if they were "personal papers"- then CBS is being inaccurate to characterize one memo as being a "direct order" to Bush (to obtain a flight physical)

No military order is ever a personal paper.


11 posted on 09/11/2004 7:55:18 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

They should sue CBS. This time next year they will be very rich.

Even the threat of a lawsuit would force CBS management to roll over.


12 posted on 09/11/2004 7:56:43 AM PDT by Republican Red (We're going to win one for the gipper...they're going to lose one for the flipper)
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To: Republican Red

May I add that not only should they sue but I'd bet that Ben Ginsburg would gladly take their case.


13 posted on 09/11/2004 7:57:51 AM PDT by Republican Red (We're going to win one for the gipper...they're going to lose one for the flipper)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Heck, just use the Johnny Cochran defense

"If the font don't fit, you must acquit"

Worked for him
14 posted on 09/11/2004 7:58:47 AM PDT by Wild_Bill_8881 (If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with BS)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Paragraphs 2 and 3 of your proposed message open several doors that contradict paragraph 1. CBS and the kerry campaign would benefit immensely if for no reason other than arguing that the family alludes to the possible existence of the alleged information as well as documents.

Paragraph 1 would be sufficient if they would prepare a statement/affidavit. Hopefully they can and will undertake a civil action that will allow them to determine the source of and chain of events behind the CBS matter.


15 posted on 09/11/2004 7:59:26 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Dan Rather's stand
By Wolf Blitzer
CNN

http://cnn.usnews.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=CNN.com+-+Dan+Rather%27s+stand+-+Sep+10%2C+2004&expire=-1&urlID=11603991&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2004%2FUS%2F09%2F10%2Frather%2Findex.html&partnerID=2004


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- This is not the first time Dan Rather has found himself in a serious dispute with a U.S. president.

There was this exchange in 1974 during the height of the Watergate scandal with then-President Richard Nixon:

Nixon: Are you running for something?

Rather: No sir, are you?

And there was this exchange with then-Vice President George Bush in 1988 over the Iran-Contra scandal.

Rather: I don't want to be argumentative, Mr. vice president.

Bush: You do, Dan.

Rather: No -- no, sir, I don't.

Bush: This is not a great night, because I want to talk about why I want to be president, why those 41 percent of the people are supporting me. And I don't think it's fair to judge my whole career by a rehash of Iran. How would you like it if I judged your career by those seven minutes when you walked off the set in New York?

Now, the 72-year-old CBS News anchor finds himself in yet another confrontation with a Republican president.

"I want to emphasize: I stand by my president. We are in a time of war, and I stand behind my president. There is not joy in reporting such a story, but my job as a journalist is not to be afraid, and when we come with facts, and legitimate questions supported by witnesses and documents that we believe to be authentic, to raise those questions no matter how unpleasant they are," Rather said Friday.

At issue is his report on "60 Minutes" that aired Wednesday -- a report that included documents purporting to show that the current President Bush, while serving in the Texas Air National Guard, did not meet all his military obligations.

"They [the White House] have not answered the question of did or did the president not obey or obey an order? Was he or was he not suspended for failure to meet performance standards of the Air Force? If he didn't take the physical, why didn't he take the physical?" Rather said.

But now, there are questions about the authenticity of the documents released by "60 Minutes."

The Washington Post says the "60 Minutes" documents are not consistent with other documents released by Bush's Air National Guard unit in the early '70's.

"If you compare the documents that CBS produced with the documents that we know to be authentic, that did come from Bush's National Guard unit, none of those documents use proportionate spacing. And that's only one of the anomalies," says the Post's Michael Dobbs.

Experts contacted by CNN say there are some inconsistencies in the type style and formatting -- noting those styles then existed on typewriters but were not common. They also say only a review of the original documents -- not copies -- can completely resolve the matter.

Beyond that, surviving relatives of Bush's then commander, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the author of the purported documents, insist they are fake. They say Killian always believed Bush was an excellent pilot and that he never wrote these documents. Killian died in 1984.

"The story is true. The story is true," Rather said. "The questions raised in the story are serious and legitimate questions."

Rather denies there is any internal CBS News investigation under way -- a statement backed by the network.

Rather also said the possibility of issuing any kind of recant or apology was "not even discussed. Nor should it be."


16 posted on 09/11/2004 8:00:21 AM PDT by stevek1
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To: hershey

Can you sue yourself?


17 posted on 09/11/2004 8:02:26 AM PDT by landerwy
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To: silverleaf

No military order is typed up as a memorandum, either.


18 posted on 09/11/2004 8:02:33 AM PDT by Nik Naym
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

If they are personal docs of the deceased, they belong to the estate of the LTC...IOW's...the family.


19 posted on 09/11/2004 8:03:47 AM PDT by mystery-ak (This President, This Time......Ron Silver)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

RATHER: STICK TO YOUR GUNS!!!

(it will only be that much more embarrassing for him when he is forced to bite the dust later)


20 posted on 09/11/2004 8:09:09 AM PDT by Mr. K
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