Posted on 09/12/2004 1:21:48 AM PDT by RatherBiased.com
Edited on 09/12/2004 8:39:48 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Over at the liberal grassroots site IndyMedia, Pablo Kristophoros says that the disputed memos cited by CBS are in the book.
"The full details of George Bush's military service are in the new book by Kitty Kelley by the good offices of the Texas Veterans for Truth. This group has offered a large monetary reward for anyone who served in the Alabama Air National Guard with George W. Bush, but there have been no takers. There is a wealth of details in the 736-page book, and one of the over 800 sources is the Texas Veterans for Truth. Killian's memos and other information are there. The CBS memos are real and the proof is in the details."
In a memo to CBS affiliates last week which RatherBiased.com has obtained, the network said the disputed documents "were provided by unimpeachable sources."
In a report last week, the conservative magazine The American Spectator said that CBS's documents were possibly given to it by the Democratic National Committee.
Meanwhile in the most recent edition of Newsweek, reporters Howard Fineman and Michael Isikoff claim that one of CBS's main sources is a former TANG officer:
"Where did the documents come from? CBS won't say. But the trail pieced together by Newsweek shows that in a sulfurous season like this one, the difference between obscurity and power is small, and anyone can get a hearing. A principal source for CBS's story was Bill Burkett, a disgruntled former Guard officer who lives in Baird, Texas, who says he was present at Guard headquarters in Austin in 1997, when a top aide to the then Governor Bush ordered records sanitized to protect the Boss. Other Guard officials disputed Burkett's account, and the Bush aide involved, Joe Allbaugh, called it 'absolute garbage.' Burkett may have a motive to make trouble for the powers that be. In 1998, he grew gravely ill on a Guard mission to Panama, causing him to be hospitalized, and he suffered two nervous breakdowns. He unsuccessfully sued for medical expenses.
"Still, in theory, Burkett may have had access to any Guard records that, in a friend's words, 'didn't make it to the shredder.' Fellow officers say he wasn't a crank, but rather a stickler for proper procedure--a classic whistle-blower type. Burkett was impressive enough to cause CBS producer Mary Mapes to fly to Texas to interview him. "
Some Democrats are saying that the whole thing is a Republican setup. The Kerry campaign says it did not have anything to do with the documents.
Of course, with the book coming out on Tuesday and CBS remaining mum (for now) on who its sources were, only time will tell who is correct.
Hat tip: Templar Pundit
Keep this bumped to the top so it can be viewed all day long.
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Hey, Howlin!I have been thinking about this. It looks like NBC is going forward to promote Kitty Kelley's BS LIE! I guess they didn't learn anything from Gunga Dan's attempt at fraud, huh? I guess we'll let them go forward with this and then wait for Sharon Bush to call Sean Hannity to repeat last week's MSM failure. (I thought about we should be Freeping them and try to get them to NOT do the THREE DAY BUSH-Bash FEST, but NO! - we should let them trip up!) Isn't this book BASED on Sharon's "testimony" that Bush snorted cocaine in Camp David, etc.?? She has already stated FLATLY that they are lying and that she NEVER said any of that. Pretty hard stuff. She and Neil went through a big nasty divorce and she is still honorable enough to stand up and say this is all political BS LIES!!
I'm lovin' this. I wonder what ABC will do the week of 9-20 ???? LOL!!!
http://internal.protest.net/osi/index.php
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/11/81749.php
His campaign began last summer with the help of Mort Halpern, a liberal think tank veteran. Soros invited Democratic strategists to his house in Southampton, Long Island, including Clinton chief of staff John D. Podesta, Jeremy Rosner, Robert Boorstin and Carl Pope.
http://www.soros.org/
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11005
However, as one source who attended an IMC meeting in Seattle told me by email, “Indymedia is funneling money from foundations like Soros and Ford to be used in their campaigns against democracy, capitalism, and the US government.
"As to the funding stuff - this was about soros foundation and mainly the huge cash that seattle got in the early days."...Indymedia member in UK complaining he was "edited".
Soros helped fund Indymedia
http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/soros.html
Oh, I abhor people like you. I had a whole book of illusions at one time. Very interesting.
#64..Soros/Indymedia
Well, well, well.
Rather has climbed into bed with Kitty Kelly and he can just stay down in the gutter with her.
. Why?
Why won't CBS state where it got its memos from?
If CBS wants to discredit a sitting President, is it ok for them to use second hand materials that cannot be authorized as genuine in order to to this before the American people before an election?
Exactly WHY does CBS not state where it got the memos.
Is there a problem with doing this?
Reference THIS article posted on FR.EXCERPT from The Dallas Morning News of a related story:
General doesn't trust Bush memos' authenticity
CBS quoted Guard documents to him, but he didn't see them
10:50 PM CDT on Saturday, September 11, 2004
A former Texas Air National Guard general relied upon by CBS News to support the authenticity of memos about President Bush's military service said he never saw the memos before the show aired, and that he doesn't now believe they are authentic.
Retired Maj. Gen. Bobby Hodges of Arlington also said that one of the memos' references to undue pressure to "sugar coat" Mr. Bush's evaluations rings false. He said Col. Walter "Buck" Staudt did not interfere in Guard affairs after his retirement, 18 months before the date on the disputed memo.
A CBS spokeswoman said that, despite Gen. Hodges remarks, CBS 60 Minutes stands by the program aired on Wednesday.
"We believe the documents are genuine. We stand by our story and will continue to report on it," Sandy Genelius said.
Gen. Hodge's comments come amid other questions about the authenticity of four memos 60 Minutes relied on to show that the president received special treatment as a pilot in the early '70s, failed to carry out a superior's order to undergo a physical exam and was suspended from flying for failing to meet Air National Guard standards.
Typography experts have also raised questions about the memos, stirring a vigorous debate about whether they were computer-drafted on machines not available in the early 1970s.
< snip >
On Monday evening, a 60 Minutes producer called Gen. Hodges and read him over the telephone portions of the four memos allegedly written by the now deceased Lt. Col. Jerry Killian.
Gen. Hodges says that when he was asked to verify the memos, he believed that the documents were handwritten.
"Without seeing them, I assumed that they were hand-written notes from a personal file that Lt. Col. Killian (who died in 1984) may have maintained without anyone's knowledge," Mr. Hodges wrote in a statement he released on Saturday.
There are 35 black dots and 35 white dots.
http://www.drivedemocracy.org/about/
DriveDemocracy is a Texas-based organization initially funded through a generous start-up grant from MoveOn.org. (Soros funds MoveOn)
http://www.texansfortruth.com/
Texans for Truth was established by Glenn W. Smith, also the Director of the 20,000-member Texas online activist group, DriveDemocracy.org.
Wheels within wheels...see 64
http://www.calpundit.com/archives/003249.html
Interview with Burkett( Be armed)
forgery has no first amendment protection.
CBS can be forced to reveal who provided the forgeries because there is no first amendment protection.
It is just a question of which agency and willpower.
If Dan Rather bet CBS's reputation on the accuracy of Kitty Kelly's reporting, he and CBS are both toast!
#72...They have been chasing this story since the governor's race.
They just had to have "documents" and someone"provided" them....Next will come "arrest" records?
The most disturbing thing I've found(64) is how much Soros is undermining our government and conservative cause with his money here and all over the world..."Open Society"
Thanx for the ping, Howlin.
FR never sleeps.
Despite their claim of 'independence' there is a collective sharing of stories/spin/slant etc with International Socialist web page; and Commumist Party/USA. . .but that brings 'no surprises' . . .
I am wondering how many public schools, might now use this media link for students to source the news. . .
The House of Representatives impeached the President of the United States today for only the second time in American history, charging William Jefferson Clinton with "high crimes and misdemeanors" for lying under oath and obstructing justice in an attempt to cover up an Oval Office affair with a young intern. (snip)
The approval of Articles I and III sends the matter to the Senate for trial and makes Clinton the only Chief Executive other than Andrew Johnson ever to be impeached.
Under the Constitution, Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist will serve as presiding officer at the trial and all 100 Senators will sit as silent jurors. Conviction and removal from office requires a two-thirds vote, meaning 67 senators would have to declare Clinton unfit for the presidency.
Washington Post, Dec. 19, 1998
. . .actually, I should have not missed #64. . .thanks again.
Now that deserves a bump. . .
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