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Killian Memos Crumpled and Smoothed Out
little green footballs ^ | 9/14/04 | lawhawk

Posted on 09/14/2004 8:00:51 PM PDT by finnman69

Several LGF readers emailed to say that if you open one of the CBS News Killian memos in Photoshop and adjust the levels, crumple marks show up on the paper. So I tried it, and here’s the result:

This was probably done by the incredibly inept forger to increase the apparent “age” of the document, and to make the text appear more ragged.

I’ll bet that if the real printed originals of these documents ever turn up (say, in a dumpster behind MoveOn.org headquarters), they’ll find the idiot’s fingerprints on them.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbsnews; killian; rathergate
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Wow, that's pretty cool. What do you deduce from the use of the image conversion plug in? Was it just a scan to pdf, or was the image converted to pdf from some other format? If so, why was it in another format?

Also, that's a great lick on the time stamps.

Is the metadata the same for the AWOL Bush docs? The USA today docs?

(Too lazy to do these things myself.....)


81 posted on 09/15/2004 4:58:59 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: finnman69

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but a fax or photocier would drop out this information. The images are RGB mode, which isn'g surprising since they were scanned.

But the interesting question is when did the crumpling occur? It the original document was crumpled, a photocy would drop out all the grayscale information.

What this means is that the crumpled "original" was scanned by computer into RGB mode. Did CBS only get an electronic file? Or did CBS do the crumpling?


82 posted on 09/15/2004 5:17:08 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Buckhead

I wouldn't want to reach a conclusion myself. Someone might want to ask Adobe. But it makes you wonder if CBS received paper copies at all or only scanned jpgs via email and therefore no possibility of finding fingerprints?

All you have to do to see the meta data yourself is load the pdfs into Wordpad. There is stuff at the beginning and end. The picture in between will be meaningless characters.


83 posted on 09/15/2004 5:18:34 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Buckhead

I did not see 60MII myself. Did they show paper documents during the program and were they crumpled? If they weren't crumpled, then they were copies of the copies received, whether paper or jpgs, another deception.


84 posted on 09/15/2004 5:26:00 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Thanks for the hot tip on the metadata.


85 posted on 09/15/2004 5:30:56 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: finnman69

Cool!


86 posted on 09/15/2004 5:33:19 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: METT-T; Buckhead

I wonder if Burnett has used the terms "CYA" and "sugar coat" in any press releases or documents in the past. I believe he has filed suit against the Gov and has had it in for President Bush.


87 posted on 09/15/2004 5:41:50 AM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("Hold on to your hats.....it's going to be a bumpy night")
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

The metadata for the BushGuardmay4 doc regarding creation and modification dates is identical between the AWOL Bush version and the CBS version, further indicating that AWOLBush got them from CBS.


88 posted on 09/15/2004 5:46:22 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

"You have to remember, they were sitting on them for at least five weeks ;-)"

Acutally, that WOULD explain the crumpling quite well!


89 posted on 09/15/2004 6:26:29 AM PDT by Grig
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To: js1138

Intetesting isnt it, but a copier might not drop all of the information. Especially if the copier was set into a photo mode or was a non-digital copier.


90 posted on 09/15/2004 6:33:16 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Tragically Single

Bump for later


91 posted on 09/15/2004 6:40:37 AM PDT by BigDaddyTX
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To: Snake65

"They just forgot to pour tea on it and gnaw at the edges ala Schindler's List with the Blauschein"

They drank all the tea and forgot to gnaw on the edges
because they had to go to the rest room so often.


92 posted on 09/15/2004 6:45:04 AM PDT by BigDaddyTX
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

"But it makes you wonder if CBS received paper copies at all or only scanned jpgs via email and therefore no possibility of finding fingerprints? "

then printed them down for Rather to wave around on 60Minutes, after he underlined one of the messages, then how/when/why did they upload the one with the underlines?

just wondering . . . you are more into this whole sad series of events !


93 posted on 09/15/2004 6:46:16 AM PDT by AMDG&BVMH (Proudly served in the National Guard)
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To: plushaye
FWIW, here's the output of the command "pdfinfo" for the four CBS documents:


BushGuardaugust1.pdf
Creator: Acrobat 5.0 Image Conversion Plug-in for Windows
Producer: Acrobat 5.0 Image Conversion Plug-in for Windows
CreationDate: Wed Sep 8 21:07:04 2004
ModDate: Wed Sep 8 21:07:39 2004
Tagged: no
Pages: 1
Encrypted: no
Page size: 1000 x 1191 pts
File size: 154530 bytes
Optimized: yes
PDF version: 1.4
-----------------------------------------------
BushGuardaugust18.pdf
Creator: Acrobat 5.0 Image Conversion Plug-in for Windows
Producer: Acrobat 5.0 Image Conversion Plug-in for Windows
CreationDate: Wed Sep 8 21:07:48 2004
ModDate: Wed Sep 8 21:07:59 2004
Tagged: no
Pages: 1
Encrypted: no
Page size: 1000 x 1308 pts
File size: 78392 bytes
Optimized: yes
PDF version: 1.4
-----------------------------------------------
BushGuardmay19.pdf
Creator: Acrobat 5.0 Image Conversion Plug-in for Windows
Producer: Acrobat 5.0 Image Conversion Plug-in for Windows
CreationDate: Wed Sep 8 21:08:07 2004
ModDate: Wed Sep 8 21:08:15 2004
Tagged: no
Pages: 1
Encrypted: no
Page size: 1000 x 1303 pts
File size: 109797 bytes
Optimized: yes
PDF version: 1.4
-----------------------------------------------
BushGuardmay4.pdf
Creator: Acrobat 5.0 Image Conversion Plug-in for Windows
Producer: Acrobat 5.0 Image Conversion Plug-in for Windows
CreationDate: Wed Sep 8 21:08:23 2004
ModDate: Wed Sep 8 21:08:32 2004
Tagged: no
Pages: 1
Encrypted: no
Page size: 1000 x 1310 pts
File size: 117277 bytes
Optimized: yes
PDF version: 1.4
-----------------------------------------------


94 posted on 09/15/2004 7:41:22 AM PDT by montrose
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To: Tragically Single

The crumpling is the really stupid detail. It may have been crumpled though because it was tossed into a trashcan as being inferior, then retrieved when the next attempt wasn't as good as that one.


95 posted on 09/15/2004 9:41:14 AM PDT by willyboyishere ( i)
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To: Buckhead

"Wow, that's pretty cool. What do you deduce from the use of the image conversion plug in? Was it just a scan to pdf, or was the image converted to pdf from some other format? If so, why was it in another format? "

You can open PDF in Photoshop directly.

Manipulate the brightness, contrast, and levels.

Some of the papers have nearly identical wrinkles on the bottom right hand corner of the page.


96 posted on 09/15/2004 3:49:42 PM PDT by adam_az (Call your State GOP office and volunteer!)
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To: finnman69
Several LGF readers emailed to say that if you open one of the CBS News Killian memos in Photoshop and adjust the levels, crumple marks show up on the paper.

I will test this tonight in Photoshop. I imported the Adobe Acrobat files into Photoshop last weekend to research the fonts.

97 posted on 09/15/2004 3:52:50 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Silence in the face of atrocity is complicity. Vote GWB 11/2/04 for 9/11/01 & the Russian kids.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Man...those guys are lost.


98 posted on 09/15/2004 6:56:05 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: vger

Jesus Christ!


99 posted on 09/15/2004 6:58:08 PM PDT by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free)
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To: Buckhead

ping


100 posted on 09/17/2004 6:15:12 PM PDT by southland (Dan rather cost kerry the electionin 46 more days!!!)
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