SOROS' $$ TOPPLES DA IN WAR OVER DRUGS (This Is Gettin' Scary)

New York Post ^ | September 16, 2004 | KENNETH LOVETT

[Know your rights]

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[Mockingbird For Short]

Ohhhh, I think you're stretching it a bit. (But I suspect you know that!)

[Know your rights]

The principle you stated applies. But try this one on for size: All of society feels the effects of alcohol use. I don't think that's a good argument for banning alcohol; do you?

[Mockingbird For Short]

I think that the fact that all of society feels the effects is justification for regulating its use. I won't get any more specific than that. It's the principle which I am arguing.

And I suspect that a hefty percentage of people who promote "liberties" even tho' it's obvious that those particular liberties are a bane on society are actually motivated by their own selfishness.

[robertpaulsen]

"I want to turn the decision over to the states, and I want the states to decide to legalize."

And I say that's a completely different approach to legalization than legalizing it at all levels of government. Your "decision" approach opens the possibility of some states deciding not to legalize.

Would you propose an amendment, similar in wording to Section 2 of the 21st amendment?

[Know your rights]

I think that the fact that all of society feels the effects is justification for regulating its [alcohol's] use.

But not for banning it, right? So why should marijuana be banned rather than regulated?

[Know your rights]

Your "decision" approach opens the possibility of some states deciding not to legalize.

I haven't heard anyone propose to close off that possiblity. Has anyone, or is your "rift" a strawman?

Would you propose an amendment, similar in wording to Section 2 of the 21st amendment?

I would propose no amendment, as federal regulation of intrastate drug trade violates the current language of the Constitution.

[Mockingbird For Short]

Correct... Regulating does not necessarily = banning.

But if it'll set your mind at ease, I think we've let certain things go too far already, and I doubt the situation can be fixed. (no pun intended)

[Know your rights]

I think we've let certain things go too far already, and I doubt the situation can be fixed.

Perhaps (although I'm more optimistic), but as conservatives we should tell the truth even if we don't think it'll do any good. The war on drugs is wrong, has failed, and needs to end (as Prohibition did).

[robertpaulsen]

"I don't think that's a good argument for banning alcohol; do you?"

I think it's an excellent argument for banning alcohol. In fact, I'd be willing to bet serious money that it was used to justify Prohibition.

The fact that Prohibition failed indicates that the majority didn't agree with the argument. The fact that marijuana prohibition is succeeding indicates that the majority agree.

But the argument itself is sound.

[tpaine]

All of society feels the effects of alcohol use.
I don't think that's a good argument for banning alcohol; do you?

503 Know your rights

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I think it's an excellent argument for banning alcohol.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet serious money that it was used to justify Prohibition.
The fact that Prohibition failed indicates that the majority didn't agree with the argument.

The fact that marijuana prohibition is succeeding indicates that the majority agree.

But the argument itself is sound.
510 bobbie

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Prohibitions never 'succeed'. - Booze, guns, drugs, -- we have seen all of these 'wars' fail. -- Save in the minds of prohibitionists that see such unconstitutional arguments as 'sound' policy.

[johnshoemaker]

British troops would search for tea after the Boston happening and this was one of the reasons for the amendment requiring a warrant. The people you are arguing with are lack compassion and respect for the constitution

[johnshoemaker]

One solution is to sell drugs in the drug store to adults with a prescription. This won't happen for the same reason Mississippi was legally dry--the Baptists and the Bootleggers were in control. Now the laws are price supports for the Christian Right and the people who pull the strings on the planet. Daddy Bush danced to those strings as much as any Afgnan warlord.
In healthier cultures entheogenic agents are used within the family and by healers. The present Drug War is designed to keep youth from associating these experiences with family or a wise man/woman. This experience "vaccinates" the child so he does not associate the experience with his peers. The indigenous people in Peru aren't crack-heads

[wideawake]

British troops would search for tea after the Boston happening and this was one of the reasons for the amendment requiring a warrant.

(1) British troops did not search for tea. It was quite clear that the tea was destroyed as a message.

(2) The requirement of a warrant was standard practice in British common law going back for centuries. If anything prompted its inclusion as an amendment, it was the Framers' appreciation for Blackstone.