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Ivan takes out I-10 bridge over Escambia Bay.
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news/?ei=ISO-8859-1&c=news_photos&p=Bridge ^ | 9-16-04 | Ivan

Posted on 09/16/2004 10:51:10 AM PDT by OXENinFLA

A bridge over Escambia Bay north of Pensacola, Florida is cut in two by Hurricane Ivan with a tractor-trailer rig swallowed by the gap, September 16, 2004. Hurricane Ivan slammed into the U.S. Gulf Coast early Thursday with devastating winds and pounding waves that ripped homes apart, flooded deep inland and spawned tornadoes that killed at least eight people.   REUTERS/Rick Wilking

Thu Sep 16,11:42 AM ET
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A bridge over Escambia Bay north of Pensacola, Florida is cut in two by Hurricane Ivan with a tractor-trailer rig swallowed by the gap, September 16, 2004. Hurricane Ivan slammed into the U.S. Gulf Coast early Thursday with devastating winds and pounding waves that ripped homes apart, flooded deep inland and spawned tornadoes that killed at least eight people. REUTERS/Rick Wilking

The bridge carrying Interstate 10 over Escambia Bay is wiped out on both ends as what is left of a truck remains on a section, after Hurricane Ivan hit Pensacola, Florida September 16, 2004. Hurricane Ivan slammed into the U.S. Gulf Coast early Thursday with devastating winds and pounding waves that ripped homes apart, flooded deep inland and spawned tornadoes that killed at least eight people.   REUTERS/Marc Serota

Thu Sep 16,12:14 PM ET
Reuters


The bridge carrying Interstate 10 over Escambia Bay is wiped out on both ends as what is left of a truck remains on a section, after Hurricane Ivan hit Pensacola, Florida September 16, 2004. Hurricane Ivan slammed into the U.S. Gulf Coast early Thursday with devastating winds and pounding waves that ripped homes apart, flooded deep inland and spawned tornadoes that killed at least eight people. REUTERS/Marc Serota<

The bridge carrying Interstate 10 over Escambia Bay is wiped out on both ends as what is left of a truck remains on a section, after Hurricane Ivan hit Pensacola, Florida September 16, 2004. Hurricane Ivan slammed into the U.S. Gulf Coast early Thursday with devastating winds and pounding waves that ripped homes apart, flooded deep inland and spawned tornadoes that killed at least eight people.   REUTERS/Marc Serota

Thu Sep 16,12:08 PM ET
Reuters


The bridge carrying Interstate 10 over Escambia Bay is wiped out on both ends as what is left of a truck remains on a section, after Hurricane Ivan hit Pensacola, Florida September 16, 2004. Hurricane Ivan slammed into the U.S. Gulf Coast early Thursday with devastating winds and pounding waves that ripped homes apart, flooded deep inland and spawned tornadoes that killed at least eight people. REUTERS/Marc Serota


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To: PAR35

Hopefully, someone is thinking ahead of time and will close before the hurricane actually hits the bridge. With that being said, you can always close it at the approaches leading up to the bridge. With an interstate, you close it at the prior interchange. I would have thought that would have happened here, but apparently not. And you can put up warning signs, using the portable signs cops carry with them, using flares, using patrol cars with lights ablazing to warn people not to go any further. You do not do this on the bridge itself, but on the approaches to the bridge.


81 posted on 09/16/2004 3:00:34 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide
you close it at the prior interchange.

The one in the second photo in post 76?

And you can put up warning signs, using the portable signs cops carry with them,

If they were lucky, they might find the portable signs in Dothan or Andalusia.

using patrol cars with lights ablazing to warn people not to go any further.

Have you ever driven in a blinding, wind whipped rain where visibility was 30 feet or less? You would be lucky to spot the "lights ablazing" a few seconds before you hit the police car.

82 posted on 09/16/2004 3:26:05 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: rawhide; PAR35
How to close a highway in a hurricane.

Check with Wyoming Highway Dept.

They have permanently installed lockable gates with signs & flashers to close the highways due to snow & blizzard conditions.

They are on all interstates and other main roads at strategic points. It is a simple matter for the state police to close, lock, and leave.
83 posted on 09/16/2004 3:26:51 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: ApplegateRanch
due to snow & blizzard conditions.

I don't think Pensacola has ever had any complaints about how it handles snow and blizzards. Will the signs used stand up to 100 mph sustained winds?

84 posted on 09/16/2004 3:36:20 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: SandyInSeattle
What the heck was he thinking?

"Me 18-wheeler truck driver. Me macho man!"

85 posted on 09/16/2004 3:39:09 PM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: PAR35

They should. Wyoming, I believe is an Indian word meaning "Constant, miserably cold strong winds blows you away."

I have seen a newspaper's top headline (Rawlins, while fueling) stating "The Winds Didn't Blow Yesterday"!

Seriously, in some areas they do get severe winds every year, into the 75-100mph+ category and gusts of 120+.

The gates are pipe-gates, so offer little cross section, and the signs & gate-mounting posts are pretty stout. Should be easy to adapt to your local conditions.

In the conditions described, they don't have to be huge, as speeds should be low anyway. Don't need long reading distances to compensate for speed.



86 posted on 09/16/2004 3:50:03 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

That might work, then. I still think more folks would run into them than would stop for them. And it is something that would require highway department action rather than action by the police, which attitude triggered my initial rant.


87 posted on 09/16/2004 4:01:45 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Dooderbutt
Boy o' boy, the things people try to carry in their cars these days. This person needs to buy a truck. I would think it would be hard to drive with that big fan in there.
88 posted on 09/16/2004 5:09:53 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

89 posted on 09/16/2004 5:11:00 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: sockmonkey
Was the August 15, 1915 hurricane the one where all the orphans died, singing hymns to God, while they washed away?

I have not heard that story, but yes, it was the August 15, 1915 hurricane. The death toll would have been even much higher if they had not constructed the sea wall after the 1900 hurricane.

90 posted on 09/16/2004 6:58:20 PM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: SLB

I just looked it up. It was the September 8th, 1900 storm.

I just read the story again, and cried again.

Of the 10 Nuns, and 93 Orphans, three children survived. When one of the dead Nuns washed ashore, she was still holding two of the drowned children, having promised to not let go. (sniff)

http://www.1900storm.com/orphanage.lasso


91 posted on 09/16/2004 7:38:28 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: mattdono

This is devastating to those of us who live there. That bridge is essential, there are no other east-west routes for a hundred miles or more.

The Hwy 90 and exisitng bridge between the two counties cannot handle the traffic.

Is there something worse than hughly series? If so, this is it.


92 posted on 09/16/2004 7:42:17 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (No, I didn't, but I know a guy who did.)
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To: Squantos

This is about 7 miles from where I currently call home.

I was looking forward to my next R&R in a few weeks because I get so tired of looking at boken things and f'ed up infrastructure. lol...what can I say?

My family is roving hotel to hotel trying to get back since they evacuated several days ago. That bridge is vital to many of us. That missing link will cost some people their jobs.


93 posted on 09/16/2004 7:46:20 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (No, I didn't, but I know a guy who did.)
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To: OXENinFLA
Hey!

Most of the bridge is still there!

I mean, really, all ya need to do is push those over a few feet... 8<)

(Serious: This will put I-10 out for a while: the traffic on the back roads up to I-65 and back over is going to really screw up east-west traffic for a long while.

Hope they do what CA let them after the earthquake and get the enviro's and fish freaks out of the way and just start working!)
94 posted on 09/16/2004 7:46:41 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: mnehrling
When Charley hit eastern Polk County, it washed about 150 feet of eastbound State Road 60 into an old sand mine pit that comes right up to the highway. Nothing nearly as dramatic as this, but a guy was out driving a pickup truck during the storm (!!) and drove right into the washout and was killed. He didn't see the missing road and probably died without even knowing what had happened to him.

What a god-awful mess this is going to be. I-10 will be closed for weeks, maybe months.

95 posted on 09/16/2004 7:49:41 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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To: PAR35

Hwy 90 brdige is out also, according to the news up here this evening.


96 posted on 09/16/2004 7:49:53 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: PAR35

NO!!

Reports are that Hwy 98 doesn't exist in many parts and it is barely sufficient for normal traffic.

Hwy 90 is NOT an option! I live a mile off if it and it cannot handle the raffic it has now.

Most of 90 east of Milton is two lane.

If both bridges are damaged, Santa Rosa county is effectively cut off from P'cola. Oh sure, you can go up to Molino and cut over to Hwy 29 south...yeah, right, that's not gonna happen.


97 posted on 09/16/2004 7:51:24 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (No, I didn't, but I know a guy who did.)
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To: SeeRushToldU_So

Yes. I'd stay well clear of the coast.


98 posted on 09/16/2004 7:52:50 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Eagle Eye

Yeah - that's the only way I could figure: And those are two-lane farm roads, right through all the little towns.


99 posted on 09/16/2004 7:53:43 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Eagle Eye
Oh sure, you can go up to Molino and cut over to Hwy 29 south...yeah, right, that's not gonna happen.

I heard a report that right now even that's not possible, due to US 29 being blocked by fallen trees and power poles/lines.

100 posted on 09/16/2004 7:53:54 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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