Posted on 09/16/2004 1:25:43 PM PDT by hawkaw
bump
Somebody need to show up at the next Kerry rally with the 180 rally a pen and a properly addressed envelope to walk up in front of cameras and ask kerry to sign the release.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/navykerryresponse.pdf for what the Navy did release.
I like how Hannity just challeneged Moore to a debate in Utah
And yet we have this:
A federal judge has ordered the Pentagon (news - web sites) to find and make public by next week any unreleased files about President Bush (news - web sites)'s Vietnam-era Air National Guard service to resolve a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by The Associated Press.
Bump!
Somebody need to show up at the next Kerry rally with the 180 rally a pen and a properly addressed envelope to walk up in front of cameras and ask kerry to sign the release.
Or, perhaps, protesters carrying signs that are blown up copies of form 180?
Can anyone state definitively whether or not Bush has signed this release form 180?
I cannot find any record of the President doing this (with google search.)
All I can find is this snippet from McClellan:
"At the White House, press secretary Scott McClellan said he couldn't say specifically whether Mr. Bush signed Standard Form 180, but the president did request and release his own military records in February.
"I don't believe he signed any form, but he did authorize making his military records available publicly," Mr. McClellan said. "We have released all the records, and reporters were allowed to look at his medical records as well."
It seems to me that if Bush signed a form 180, it would really increase the pressure on Kerry to do so...
What bad information is confirmed in the kerry records anyway?
--and is the release form 180 the same for ANG as it is for active duty?
I read somewhere that people accusing Bush of witholding his dd-214 were wrong because in the Guard the final discharge paper has a different form number.
Is it the same with the form 180 for military records?
It's on DRUDGE linking to http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=\SpecialReports\archive\200409\SPE20040916a.html.
or better yet.... some one types up a form on microsoft word and writes kerrys signature on it, making an obvious forgery. Blow it up poster size and say... Is this your signature? Aw doesnt matter if it isn't the content is true right Mr. Kerry?
There is some new stuff in here. Kerry's actual Silver Star and Bronze Star citations, which we now know were signed on June 4, 1985 (vice the Kerry claim of 1986). Also, Kerry had all of his Purple Heart citations reissued as well on the same date. This is pretty big news. It confirms my assumption that Kerry had all of his medals replaced as well.
and as long as we are discussing these additional forms,according to Corsi and judicial watch, kerry has not released his dd-256n
what is a dd-256n discharge certificate?
I thought the official discharge form was the dd-214?
I was air force, and I got my dd-214 when I separated, then when my inactive reserve time was up I got the printed certificate you hang on the wall.
I think this nicer certificate was the dd-265af
Is the dd-256n some more "paperwork" specific to teh navy?
or is this the same "diploma" they give you that says you got an honorable discharge?
WHat is the significance of the dd-256n over the dd-214?
I don't think the certificate has any relevant info on it, mine is just a nice document to hang on the wall that has "honorable discharge" the dates of my service, and some signatures from SECAF and a general...
anyone know about this form 180 and if Bush has signed it?
I still haven't got a response.
seems to me that the President shoudl sign one--if he hasn't already--and then challenge Kerry to do the same.
Maybe this would be a good tactic at the debate?
he couldl hold it up and sign it and then ask kerry if he would care to sign the "extra" he just so happens to have with him.
that kind of move would make kerry freak out I bet.
We need to do Word document comparisons to see if the Kerry web documents are forgeries!
I read it somewhere that BUSH DID sign the 180. Couldn't tell you where though.
Look...here's the situation...had he just needed to get copies for approved medals, he could have gotten copies from his archived personnel record. No new signatures. Just a duplicate of the original (well, maybe the certificate...MAYBE, but certainly not the citation). The only possible explanation I can see is that the medals were not approved by the appropriate approval authority (i.e., SECNAV for the Silver Star and SECNAV or CNO for the Bronze Star). In fact, Judicial Watch has filed a supplemental investigation request because of this irregularity: http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/secnavkerryltr.pdf
Wouldn't it be a hoot if Kerry hadn't officially been awarded those medals listed on his DD 214 when he threw them away?
I do not believe W had signed a 180 either. Has anyone seen any proof of that? I have looked around the internet, but have come up empty.
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