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Parallels Drawn Between CBS Memos, Texan's Postings
Washington Post ^ | 09/17/2004 | Michael Dobbs

Posted on 09/17/2004 7:24:39 PM PDT by jhouston

The former Texas National Guard officer suspected of providing CBS News with possibly forged records on President Bush's military service called on Democratic activists to wage "war" against Republican "dirty tricks" in a series of Internet postings in which he also used phrases similar to several employed in the disputed documents. Retired Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, who earlier said he overheard Bush aides conspiring with the commander of the Texas National Guard to "sanitize" the president's military records, has refused to comment on reports that he could be CBS's confidential source. In e-mails yesterday to The Washington Post, he said he would speak out "at the appropriate time" but "that time is not now."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: billburkett; cbs; cbsnews; forgery; killian; michaeldobbs; rather; tang
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To: EllaMinnow

Is this the same Max Cleland who blew himself up with a grenade?


21 posted on 09/17/2004 7:41:13 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jhouston
They are the first to connect this moron and his plot with the Kerry campaign and the DNC.

Via Cleland, Mr. Grenade Man. The Great Unraveling continues.

22 posted on 09/17/2004 7:41:35 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: jhouston

There's a bombshell at the end of the article.

Burkett ties in the Kerry campaign via postings he made on the internet.

Cleland admits talking to a guy named Burkett when he was in Texas in mid August. Must have been when Rassmann and Cleland were trying to storm the ranch in Crawford.

"In an Aug. 21 posting, Burkett referred to a conversation with former senator Max Cleland (D-Ga.) about the need to counteract Republican tactics:
"I asked if they wanted to counterattack or ride this to ground and outlast it, not spending any money.
He said counterattack.
SO I GAVE THEM THE INFORMATION TO DO IT WITH.
But none of them have called me back."


23 posted on 09/17/2004 7:42:35 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue ( When the going gets tough-John Kerry gets going-far away)
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To: jimbo123

None other. Maybe he met Burkett when he was in Texas to deliver that whiny letter to the Crawford Ranch.


24 posted on 09/17/2004 7:42:48 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Dan would RATHER lie.)
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To: Use It Or Lose It

Mary Mapes has been digging for dirt on this story for years is what's being reported. Its been her pet project/obsession.


25 posted on 09/17/2004 7:43:25 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Use It Or Lose It
The inference is that CBS was working on a story for a very long period of time without having their documentation verified until last week? Am I missing something?

I'm pretty sure you have it correct. However, we don't know what else they may have or think they have on this subject. The "big shock" is that CBS has had one of their super star teams digging for dirt for 4+ years on President Bush.

One might expect they would at least ask sKerry to sign the 180.

26 posted on 09/17/2004 7:45:27 PM PDT by There's millions of'em (Please give the mic to Terayza...)
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To: EllaMinnow

I'll bet Michael Dobbs is going to get the Pulitzer this year.

Time to check Mary Beth Cahill's fax machine.


27 posted on 09/17/2004 7:45:58 PM PDT by nonkultur
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To: Use It Or Lose It
If Burkett created it, he likely did so recently, and crumpled the paper to make it seem retrieved from a trash can before he faxed it to CBS.
28 posted on 09/17/2004 7:46:54 PM PDT by Rocko (Dan Rather: "I'm GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!")
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To: jhouston
The records showed that Bush's father, who was then a Republican congressman from Houston, thanked his son's commander for taking a personal "interest in a brand new Air Force trainee."

Funny, I couldn't find any reference of the standard PR letter from the commander to Bush's father. I guess that wouldn't fit with what Dobbs was trying to insinuate. The correspondence was initiated by the commander -- standard letter that parents got while their sons were in pilot training.

USAFA sent PR releases to your hometown paper and the tradition continued in UPT as well.

Dobbs is either ignorant of the PR of the military or is relying on the general public's ignorance of SOP for the military.

29 posted on 09/17/2004 7:47:16 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: jhouston
In an Aug. 25 posting to a different Web site, Online Journal, Burkett said he and other researchers had "reassembled" files showing that Bush did not fulfill his oath to obey his superior officers.

"...he and other researchers...." Who else helped him?

Good article with some new information about Burkett using some of the same language found in the forged documents on his earlier posts on the web.

30 posted on 09/17/2004 7:47:27 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: ambrose
Maybe Washington comPost sees the writing is on the wall for the Kerry campaign, and wants to claim credit for bringing them down in time for Hillary to fly in on her broom.

That pig won't fly. There is no direct connection between Kerry and the memos, just connections between the memos and old line democrats. Replacing the candidate won't have any affedt. It's the DNC that's screwed. Terry McAwful is in the thick of it because he was ready from the starting gun to push a series of ads based on the CBS memos.

By the way, how did he know they were fake before CBS did?

31 posted on 09/17/2004 7:47:40 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: 1stMarylandRegiment
"In an Aug. 21 posting, Burkett referred to a conversation with former senator Max Cleland (D-Ga.) "

Verrrrrry Interesting! 4 days later, Cleland was a couple of hours away playing the role of Democratic DramaQueen, attempting to hand-deliver a letter to W in Crawford. I'd be willing to bet that Burkett met with Cleland while he was there.
32 posted on 09/17/2004 7:49:00 PM PDT by LSU Engineer
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To: jimbo123

The WaPo also failed to mention that Burkett's claim of seeing Bush's Guard records vetted and dumped in the trash in Austin was a total fabrication - turns out that the location he claims did not ever serve as storage for TX Air Guard records - likewise Burkett's other "eye-whitness" denies the story.


33 posted on 09/17/2004 7:51:26 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: nonkultur

When Burkett contacted Kerry's campaign, he probably did it through an acquaintance -- I'll bet Ben Barnes is that contact.


34 posted on 09/17/2004 7:52:08 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: jhouston
The following is pure speculation:

Burkett is the perp. He IS the future convicted forger/felon. I am just guessing but I think how he could have gotten to CBS is through Michael Moore. That would be a possible scenario cause if I am correct Burkett was a source for Michael Moore's film. Since Burkett can't get the DNC to pay attention to him he calls Michael Moore who he knows through the film. Moore who will believe anything about Bush, then calls Rather's office. They would certainly be willing to talk to a fellow Bush hater. Hence Rather's stonewalling. To admit the evidence is forgery means he must reveal his source for the documents which would include Michael Moore. This would discredit Moore and his film and hurt Kerry's campaign.

Just a little speculation. There has to be something Rather is hiding about his source. That's the next big angle in this story.

35 posted on 09/17/2004 7:52:28 PM PDT by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: jhouston
Gov Richards' political adviser, Glenn Smith would have searched the Guard files long before 1994. He's a sleaze merchant. Currently the director of that new 527 group of Tex Vets that's launching the attack ads against Bush.

I last saw him about 25 years ago at an all nite dinner in a small East Texas town.

I stumbled in about 2 a.m. At the time he was a Houston Chronicle reporter. He waved me over to a back booth where he was huddled with a recently ousted J.P. who was spilling his guts about law enforcement involvement with marijuana growing and trafficking.

Maybe Glenn Smith did riffle the Guard files and does have some old documents. He might have passed the info to Burkett.

36 posted on 09/17/2004 7:53:03 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry would avenge the murder of my family by terrorists. Bush would prevent the murders.)
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To: macbee
"I told him to contact the [Kerry] campaign," Cleland said. "You get this information tens of times a day, and you don't know if it is legit or not."
One wonders if Burkett followed Cleland's advice. If Burkett actually sent copies of the docs to the Kerry campaign (which they haven't mentioned receiving up to now), look for staffers to start scrambling for cover.

Ed Rollins said earlier in the hour on MSNBC that the docs were with the DNC and that they were actually discussing using the docs in a tv ad. It appears that the coordinated effort of "Operation Fortunate Son" by Terry McAuliffe (using the 60 minutes info) incorporates Ben Barnes, Burkett, and Dan Rather. With Max Cleland in the mix, that directly implicates the DNC and Kerry. Sounds like incestuous political relationships abound!

37 posted on 09/17/2004 7:54:06 PM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (John Kerry is a war hero. Just visit the Museum in Ho Chin Minh City.)
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To: EllaMinnow
Snippets from the article:

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"In e-mail messages to a Yahoo discussion group for Texas Democrats over the past few months, Burkett laid out a rationale for using what he termed "down and dirty" tactics against Bush. He said he had passed his ideas to the Democratic National Committee but that the DNC seemed "afraid to do what I suggest."

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"Cleland confirmed that he had a two- or three-minute conversation by cell phone with a Texan named Burkett in mid-August while he was on a car ride. He remembers Burkett saying that he had "valuable" information about Bush, and asking what he should with it. "I told him to contact the [Kerry] campaign," Cleland said. "You get this information tens of times a day, and you don't know if it is legit or not."

/snip

Woo hoo!! The DNC had advanced knowledge of the risky forgery scheme. And Kerry's campaign also had advanced knowledge of the Democrat Watergate class dirty tricks. And as all this is going down, they say nothing other than encouraging Rather to blather on with his fraudulent activities. Looks like a criminal conspiracy to bring down a sitting president. Can you say coup attempt?

The DNC and Senator Kerry are in it up to their eyeballs. The only question left is, what did Senator Kerry know and when did he know it?

Who's gonna pardon Kerry?

38 posted on 09/17/2004 7:54:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: 1stMarylandRegiment

You know the Dems are involved when they hired a lawyer to make sure that Burkett doesn't talk. If Burkett was a lone gunman so to speak, it would be in their interest for him to take the heat as some kind of John Hinckley with a grudge for the Bushes. Burkett better keep his mouth shut and do what he is told or there could dire consequences. Terry Lenzer and his crew was once sent to Gynnifer Flowers apartment to intimidate her through her roommate. The boys asked her roommate if Gynnifer was the kind of a person who might commit suicide, which was a clever implied threat. Gynnifer had tapes as a insurance policy. Marcia Lewis told Monica to keep the dress because she worried tha Monica might end up like Mary Mahoney. I do not know whether Burkett was wise enough to have an insurance policy like these two did. But Burkett is in over his head. But when you have had two nervous breakdowns, there are a lot of scenarios which could insure that you would never name your conspirators. If Burkett had acted alone, it would be in the Democrats interest to use him as the scapegoat, when they circled the wagons they did so to cover themselves.


39 posted on 09/17/2004 7:54:48 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: DestroytheDemocrats

More from Burkett in 2003:

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/what_do_you_say_032203.htm

"I had been 'loaned' from the senior staff and state planning officer of the Texas National Guard to the Department of the Army for a series of these special projects after angering George W. Bush by refusing to falsify readiness information and reports; confronting a fraudulent funding scheme which kept 'ghost' soldiers on the books for additional funding, and refusing to alter official personnel records [of George W. Bush]. George W. Bush and his lieutenants were mad."


40 posted on 09/17/2004 7:56:47 PM PDT by jimbo123
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