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Max Cleland's August 25th Texas Road Trip
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Posted on 09/20/2004 5:31:42 PM PDT by counterpunch





TOPICS: Announcements; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
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To: Colofornian
Here is some insight into one question I posed:

As I asked, did the documents play a role in Barnes' decision to talk to 60 Minutes?

Here is some insight into the question:

Rumors about the memos had circulated in the Democratic Party and media circles for weeks; in fact, CBS had used their existence to help persuade Barnes to talk. He told Democratic friends before the "60 Minutes II" broadcast that if documents the network was hunting for were found—and were authentic—"the election is over."

But now we learn that Barnes decided to talk to CBS just a few days before CBS recieved the documents:

During the Republican National Convention in New York, Rather got a call from Ben Barnes, a onetime Texas lieutenant governor and veteran Democrat who has known the anchor, a former Houston TV reporter, for 30 years. Barnes said he was ready to say before the cameras that he had pulled strings to get Bush a coveted slot in the Texas Guard in 1968. Mapes had long been urging Barnes to tell his story.

On Friday, Sept. 3, the day after the convention ended, Mapes hit pay dirt. She told Howard her source had given her the documents.

61 posted on 09/20/2004 7:40:13 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: counterpunch

You have done EXCELLENT work here...thanks!!!


62 posted on 09/20/2004 8:01:06 PM PDT by SE Mom
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To: counterpunch

Bump for evidence of Cleland Burkett connection.


63 posted on 09/20/2004 8:32:40 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (all)
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To: HalleysFifth; counterpunch
Anybody still have news coverage from that day on video. (Wish I did.) Who was there outside the Bush ranch?

Funny you should ask, I recorded a whole bunch of it and just located it to review tonight! Some is on vhs, some on dvd. Been thinking since I heard about the Burkett/Cleland connection that I needed to dig it out and look at it, but tonight's the first chance I've had.

On a quick review of the main news conference Cleland held at the school in Crawford, I did not see anyone who jumped out as obviously being Burkett. However, I have only seen a couple of pics of him and someone else should probably double-check the faces besides me. Many of the "Texas Vets" Cleland had with him have on ball caps and their faces are shaded due to the noontime sun.

(By the way, do we have any current pictures of Mary Mapes? I think the curly-haired-blonde pic is from several years ago when she was covering the Jasper story. There are lots of women with the press corps in the Crawford footage, but no curly blonde hair.)

That said, I distinctly recall some other footage being shown ealier that day from Cleland's arrival at the airport in Waco where he's getting into the car to go to the ranch, I want to see who all was hanging around there. I haven't found that footage yet, if I recorded it, it's probably on the vhs tape. Truthfully, I think it would be an astonishing development to find Burkett on video meeting with Cleland--it's a heckuva longshot and highly unlikely we could get that lucky, but it's certainly reasonable to check into it considering what we've learned the last few days about their contacts.

Due to the fact that the whole Cleland-in-Crawford trip was covered on the news live, we can reconstruct at least some of Cleland's travel timeline. I am working on that as I review the footage, but no way can I finish and post it tonight.

It's going to take some work for me to get screen captures of the people at the news conference, I don't have a video card in my computer and will have to play it out to a camcorder to capture it on memory stick, then transfer it to my computer! Would some FReeper with some bandwidth be willing to host the stills if I can get them captured? Please FReepmail me.

Of course, this would all be so doggone easy if the MSM would just do their jobs, I'm sure they have all the raw footage from that day all time-coded and could check this easily! But it's FReepers who are asking these questions and doing the digging.

I'm going to work on reviewing footage/building timeline for a while before bed and will check back in tomorrow. Pajamas on!

64 posted on 09/20/2004 11:53:46 PM PDT by TheSarce (FreeRepublic: The Mother of All Fact-Checkers.)
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To: TheSarce

Good work! So you have him getting in/out of a certain car at the Waco airport. Was it a distinctive car - one someone around say, a Kinko's in Abilene might remember? I'm thinking handicapped-equipped or the like. Maybe?


65 posted on 09/21/2004 12:04:26 AM PDT by HalleysFifth
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To: MJY1288
Here is the Live Thread from that day...haven't had time to go through it all.
66 posted on 09/21/2004 7:44:57 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: HalleysFifth; counterpunch
By late Wednesday morning, Rassmann was in Waco, copies of The New York Times and The Dallas Morning News slipped under one arm. He headed to the president's ranch with Geronimo Rodriguez Jr. -- the 35-year-old Texas director for the Kerry-Edwards campaign.

The plan was for Rodriguez, an Austin attorney and son of migrant farm workers, to deliver Rassmann to a U.S. Secret Service roadblock several miles from the president's ranch, where the veterans would hand the letter to a member of the president's security detail.

As part of a seven-car caravan carrying Kerry advisers, Cleland and his staff, Rodriguez made one stop before heading into Crawford: He had the letter from the senators, but he needed an envelope to put it in. So the group made a quick detour to a Shell station so Rodriguez could duck inside to pick up a box of white envelopes.

When Rodriguez made another quick stop to nail down last-minute details of the trip to the ranch, a woman walked up to Rassmann.

Oregon Live

67 posted on 09/21/2004 8:10:00 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: counterpunch

I believe that the "unimpeachable" source is a term Rather used to protect someone close to him, in the event that he and the source are revealed.

This thing is not over.

I think Rather is soon to empty his desk.


68 posted on 09/21/2004 8:18:32 AM PDT by Preachin' (Kerry/Rather 2004)
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To: get'emall
Burkett knows Max is a wheel in the Kerry machine. Max wants to lend a hand but can't. Burkett drops the bomb on Cleland. Max fumbles the explosive information, and it blows up in his face.

Perhaps I am reading into it too much, but I seem to detect a very cleverly worded amphibiology in that passage.

69 posted on 09/21/2004 9:39:45 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Can Lincoln expect to subjugate a people thus resolved? No!" - Sam Houston, 3/1863)
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To: OldGuard

CBS considered Burkett "unimpeachable" because Max Cleland went to bat for him, after the Texas meeting?


70 posted on 09/21/2004 10:33:43 AM PDT by catch
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota
Please refresh us. What was the big issue that Cleland, famed man who can't get over his defeat, was trying to raise in his letter to President Bush. I'm having a mental block.

I think he was demanding new fonts for Vietnam-era typewriters...

71 posted on 09/21/2004 10:48:37 AM PDT by talleyman (The fruitcake doesn't fall too far from the tree...)
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To: counterpunch

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201300/posts


72 posted on 09/21/2004 2:26:12 PM PDT by Jack Bull
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To: HalleysFifth

Former Georgia Senator Max Cleland, left, and former Green Beret Lt. Jim Rassmann, center, approach a Secret Service Agent, right, on station at the check point to the entrance of President Bush's ranch Wednesday Aug. 25, 2004 in Crawford, Texas. Cleland tried to deliver a letter protesting ads challenging John Kerry's Vietnam service to President Bush at his Texas ranch Wednesday, but the Secret Service stopped Cleland short of his goal. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

also, http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/25/cleland.swiftboat/ look down on the right hand side, there is a 'play video'segment for Cleland.

73 posted on 09/21/2004 8:31:22 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: Preachin'

Unless "unimpeachable" refers to Bill Clinton. (Just kidding, Bill.)


74 posted on 09/21/2004 9:17:04 PM PDT by maro (T)
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To: counterpunch

BTTT


75 posted on 09/21/2004 9:19:57 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: bitt
'play video'segment for Cleland

Thanks ----- I tried to play it, but CommieNN makes you sign up and pay for a subscription to view the videos. Y'know what? . . . . . . UH-UH!!!
76 posted on 09/21/2004 10:27:43 PM PDT by HalleysFifth
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