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***Ben Barnes Memogate Timeline Is Highly Suspicious***

Posted on 09/21/2004 5:25:04 PM PDT by counterpunch

Barnes' timeline is highly suspicious.
Here we see that the discovery of these documents was a deciding factor for Barnes agreeing to speak to 60 Minutes:



Rumors about the memos had circulated in the Democratic Party and media circles for weeks; in fact, CBS had used their existence to help persuade Barnes to talk. He told Democratic friends before the "60 Minutes II" broadcast that if documents the network was hunting for were found—and were authentic—"the election is over."

But now we learn that it was Barnes who called Dan Rather ready to talk to CBS just a few short days before CBS received the documents:

During the Republican National Convention in New York, Rather got a call from Ben Barnes, a onetime Texas lieutenant governor and veteran Democrat who has known the anchor, a former Houston TV reporter, for 30 years. Barnes said he was ready to say before the cameras that he had pulled strings to get Bush a coveted slot in the Texas Guard in 1968. Mapes had long been urging Barnes to tell his story.

On Friday, Sept. 3, the day after the convention ended, Mapes hit pay dirt. She told Howard her source had given her the documents.


If it was the documents that convinced Barnes to do the interview, and he decided to do the interview a couple days before CBS got them, then this would mean that the Kerry campaign -- which Barnes is co-chair of -- got the documents first, then CBS received them a few days later.

The close proximity of these correlated events is almost certainly not a coincidence.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: benbarnes; rathergate
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1 posted on 09/21/2004 5:25:04 PM PDT by counterpunch
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To: counterpunch

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark.


2 posted on 09/21/2004 5:27:43 PM PDT by PilloryHillary (John Kerry LIED http://www.johnfkerrysucks.com)
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To: counterpunch

I'm absolutely struck by the parallels between what is happening with CBS and what happened to Richard Nixon with Watergate. It seems that CBS is walking down an identical course as did the Nixon White House. In the same vein, I don't think this thing is anywhere near over.


3 posted on 09/21/2004 5:28:41 PM PDT by Mojave Mark
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To: counterpunch
Ben Barnes crawls out of the woodwork and onto Dan Rather's interview couch, meanwhile--

Terry McAwful launches Operation: Smear the President Fortunate Son as the Kooky Kerry Kampaign slips into free-fall, meanwhile--

Mysterious Documentstm pop into existance after 30 years of being completely unknown that just happen to provide a smoking gun for the AWOL myths, just as--

Kerry, finally, stops talking about Vietnam.

Tell me there's no co-ordination.

4 posted on 09/21/2004 5:30:29 PM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.)
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To: counterpunch

The lies are coming home to roost.


5 posted on 09/21/2004 5:31:21 PM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: OldFriend
The lies are coming home to roost.

Did you play Bobby's mother in The Waterboy?

6 posted on 09/21/2004 5:34:02 PM PDT by Stonedog (Mr. Blather... tear down this STONEWALL!!)
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To: counterpunch
Democratic friends before the "60 Minutes II" broadcast that if documents the network was hunting for were found—and were authentic—"the election is over."

Perhaps that's why sKerry/dEdwards have been scarce for weeks (Except of course, for the odd late night talk show appearance [shades of Arsenio?]). They thought their little Trick or Treat would be the sugar rush to take them across the finish line.

Afterall, there's no sense in making appearances that might be disadvantageous when you're holding a hole card.

7 posted on 09/21/2004 5:35:59 PM PDT by bikepacker67 (Sandy wasn't stuffing his socks, he was stuffing A sock.)
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To: counterpunch
He told Democratic friends before the "60 Minutes II" broadcast that if documents the network was hunting for were found—and were authentic—"the election is over."

What? Are these people that stupid? Even if everything in the memo's were correct it would have had little impact on this election. I can't believe polls were taken before and right after the 60 min show would have shown much of an impact at all. These people are so desperate for anything on Bush that they chase a National Guard story? Incredible.

8 posted on 09/21/2004 5:36:05 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: counterpunch

Great find.
I have known from the git go that this snake was involved somehow.


9 posted on 09/21/2004 5:48:01 PM PDT by 76834
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To: counterpunch
It could well be true. Barnes and Burkett's lawyer are both Democrat big shots in Texas and must have known Burkett was trying for years to sell various stories to anyone who would listen, and as the record shows Burkett was particularly interested in getting The dems to act on this.

Barnes was aware CBS was doing a story. It is entirely likely he knew in advance about the memos.

10 posted on 09/21/2004 5:56:30 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: counterpunch

Bump for reference and analysis.


11 posted on 09/21/2004 6:34:22 PM PDT by mattdono (Chris Matthew is Zell Miller's b*tch! (and the MSM is FR's b*tch!))
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To: plain talk

He told Democratic friends before the "60 Minutes II" broadcast that if documents the network was hunting for were found—and were authentic—"the election is over."

While it may not have had the desired (by the Kerrys, et al) if the docs had been authentic, isn't that statement by the Co-Chair of the Kerry Campaign, "the election is over" the smoking gun that THAT is what they intended. And isn't that TAMPERING WITH AN ELECTION?!


12 posted on 09/21/2004 6:50:27 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: plain talk

He told Democratic friends before the "60 Minutes II" broadcast that if documents the network was hunting for were found—and were authentic—"the election is over."

While it may not have had the desired (by the Kerrys, et al) if the docs had been authentic, isn't that statement by the Co-Chair of the Kerry Campaign, "the election is over" the smoking gun that THAT is what they intended. And isn't that TAMPERING WITH AN ELECTION?!


13 posted on 09/21/2004 6:51:26 PM PDT by Tucker39
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Yep. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind the Kerry campaign is behind this. However, proving it may be hard as they were highly trained by the Slickmeister and they have magical powers to make any word or action mean anything they wish at a given moment in time.


14 posted on 09/21/2004 6:55:19 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: counterpunch

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15 posted on 09/21/2004 7:06:09 PM PDT by Tempest (Don't blame me, I'm voting for Bush.)
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To: counterpunch
On Friday, Sept. 3, the day after the convention ended, Mapes hit pay dirt. She told Howard her source had given her the documents.

This is supported by the date on one of the memos examined by Emily Will (document examiner hired by CBS). It was faxed the evening of Sept. 2nd.

16 posted on 09/21/2004 7:21:30 PM PDT by knuthom
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To: counterpunch

You are definitely onto something big! Wish we could see all of the perps grilled under bright lights round-the-clock until one of them squeals!

Wonder if any of the MSM will ever look at this.....


17 posted on 09/21/2004 7:31:48 PM PDT by Enchante (Jayson Blair left the NY Times and works for Dan Rather at CBS!)
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To: Enchante

This could be the point at which the whole thing begins to unravel, if we could put enough public pressure on CBS to force them to reveal the details of the actual timeline! Barnes will never cooperate, of course, but CBS is part of a publicly traded company that now purports to be ready to do a full investigation -- they would have a hard time covering up from their own "blue ribbon panel" the actual timeline unless they have already sanitized all the hard drives, etc. Even then the phone records may give away the real nature of the conspiracy. If Barnes did see or know about the forgeries before CBS had them, then the pressure point is CBS to explain why they lied about how they got Barnes to go on the air, how Barnes obtained prior knowledge, etc.


18 posted on 09/21/2004 7:53:02 PM PDT by Enchante (Jayson Blair left the NY Times and works for Dan Rather at CBS!)
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To: knuthom

Whoops, didn't mean to be posting to myself. Please see preceding post for my comment on how you may have fingered the crucial aspect of the whole case.


19 posted on 09/21/2004 7:54:59 PM PDT by Enchante (Jayson Blair left the NY Times and works for Dan Rather at CBS!)
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To: counterpunch

This came from Kerry Edwards Press releases and indicates the Dems had the date of alleged "verbal orders" found in the forged documents.

"FACT: The order suspending Bush from flight duty stated: “Verbal orders of the Comdr on 1 Aug 72 suspending 1STLT George W. Bush…from flying status are confirmed…Reason for Suspension: Failure to accomplish annual medical examination. Off will comply with para 2-10, AFM 35-13. Authority: Para 2-29m, AFM 35-13. [Aeronautical Orders, Number 87, 29 September 1972, emphasis added]"

Rush mentioned this today. It would not be remarkable except that it was put out on 27 April, 2004.

[Source] http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0427b.html

Just another little unexplainable piece of the mystery.


20 posted on 09/22/2004 1:36:05 AM PDT by shamusotoole
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